Can we have special treatment too so :rolleyes:. Your owners sold your ground. Most clubs lease their grounds rather than owning them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
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Can we have special treatment too so :rolleyes:. Your owners sold your ground. Most clubs lease their grounds rather than owning them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
so can we now take it that tallaght stadium is dead and buried? who owns that land? what r de chances of another el club taking up that project... say, for instance shels, who appear to be on de move anyways? it id be a pity if tallaght were to remain without an el club- its got massive potential as a hotbed for football in this country.
btw it id be a pity if rovers were to dissapear like drumcondra did, but theres no way that they shud be allowed continue as they were after this mess is cleaned up. at least an automatic relegation should be in order
Rovers have had special treatment for over 15 years - i think you have used up your entitlement. Its about time you were treated the same as all the other clubs in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Id be amazed if that logic was applied to any of the div 1 teams. If the 2m in debt fig is correct then its completely unacceptable. I woudnt want rovers to shut, but you cant just sweep it under the rug and say, oh yes but we qualify under all the license headings.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
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Originally Posted by Ringo
Oh for God's sake would you get over it. Roddy was not under contract at Dublin City and was free to talk to any potential employer. For your information, Roddy is not under contract at Rovers either and he can leave us whenever he wants. If Dublin City poached him tomorrow morning no one at Rovers would care because we would realise that he had no contract and he merely exercised his right to take up a new job.
How is it against the law to employ someone who was not contracted to any other business? In fact, I don't even want to hear your answer because you're boring me.
Drumcondra reached the 3rd round of FAI Cup last season. So still alive and kicking in Morton Stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkey magic
Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Passive
Was it a Rovers conspiracy that you were shíte all season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Passive has just told you the truth. RODDY DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT. We are sorting ourselves out and we do live in the real world as opposed to "lets start a club with no fans and whinge, moan and complain when we get relegated" effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Without Rovers it would be a poorer league. FACT. Higgins and the rest of the Rovers haters know this but cant bring themselves to accept it. The only thing for the birds is your joke of a club. We are getting our act together. What the hell do you think we're doing now with the examinership which was proposed by the fans cos the board wanted to continue racking up debts?
Ringo you should change your name to obsessed. If we got all your posts together I'd swear you have more posts on Rovers than eh whatever-your-joke-club-is-called-these-daysFC.
KOH
Ringo, you're boring me. Run along.
Rovers have a great tradition, but if they did go out of business then so what? Since the start of the league nearly a third of the titles have been won by teams now out of the league - 10 teams(Many reborn in new titles like Limerick United, Cork Whatever). In Northern Ireland? One team (Belfast Celtic) and their departure was not due to bad management bu sectarianism. In England no teams that won the league in the same time frame have left the league.
It would be a shame if Rovers went out of business - it would be a shame if any of the league clubs went out of business. My own club was very very close to it recently. But no club has a right to exist or a right to special treatment. If it happens we'll all be sad for a day or two and then the league goes on. Its happened with all of the other clubs down the years.
Your great , run up 2.5 million & then decide to do something about it. Cop on. Your going out of business. You have no chance of paying back the money. slagging of other clubs that are playing by the rules & not living beyond their meens is sad. Make the most of your next few games, their going to be your last in the league for a long time. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Truth hurts, say goodbye to everyone as you leave :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Passive
Sort of like your pathetic bitter whinging over Roddy Collins I'd imagine.Quote:
slagging of other clubs that are playing by the rules
Where do you get this from? The SDCC has recently, as in the past few days, announced again that they will be building the stadium and Rovers will be anchor tennants. If there are no complications with planning permission building will start later this year.Quote:
so can we now take it that tallaght stadium is dead and buried?
Shamrock Rovers will survive. Our ability to defy the odds, which is more or less what we have been doing for the past 18 years, is part of what makes us such a great club. It is something that sets us apart from all the lesser clubs people talk about that have gone by the wayside down through the years. If you think Shamrock Rovers is just about the number of leagues or cups we've notched up over the past 80 years then you are very wrong. It is about so much more than that. It is about all the people who see it as a great institution, something that should remain part of this city and part of their lives forever. This club cannot die because there are simply too many people who simply cannot allow that to happen. They were there at The Plaza on Monday night, they'll be in Drogheda tomorrow. Don't spend too much time thinking about though, somebody who follows Dublin City couldn't possibly understand such a concept.
Daft comment, this is hardly a time for schadenfräude. This could happen to any club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Stop , you'll have me crying in a minute :pQuote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
If rovers fans want to slag of fans of other clubs , they have to expect some back. there 21 other teams in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Rovers will have to survive to be an anchor tenant. could you not lend them some of the 20million your getting for Tolka ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
I have no problems with the whole Roddy-gate shambles, that is old news. As an Eircom league supporter and Dublin City supporter I think it would be a shame if Rovers go bang, but that is the way football is, it can be crule sometimes.
If rovers fans ask nicely than we may take pity on you and let you join our ranks when and if you end up with no club to follow :)
Dublin City will have bitten the dust, or at least be operating under a different name, long before this club goes to the wall.
Ringo you sound like a very bitter man. Look closer to home for wrong doing. I know for a fact there is an ex manager of CHF who was left short of money. Fingal Co Council were left waiting a long time to be paid by Dublin City for Morton Stadium, not sure if they ever stumped up. I also remember Dublin City having to play Norwich in the AUL because there was money due to Home Farm in Whitehall. Norwich match was eventually played in Tolka.
I read in yesterday's Herald that Rovers owe Terry Palmer money. This seems to be in direct contradiction of the UEFA License requirement which states:
No Payables Overdue towards Employees
The Licence Applicant must prove that it has had no payables overdue arising from contractual agreements with its employees
This is on page 105 of the Manual if anyone wants to check it out. It doesn't seem to give the licensing committee much room for intrepetation.
Rovers fans arguing with Dublin City fans. Have things really gotten THAT bad for the hoops :D
twas a mere question... which you answered ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
I'm not a bitter man. In fact I’m like a pebble in the stream, allowing these things to flow over me :) . I'd rather be in First division, in our position than be in Rovers position. We could have over spent in a bid to stay up , but we didn't.Their welcome to Roddy. my whole argument all along about the Roddy thing , was the carry on behind the scenes, not the fact of Roddy leaving. On the Joe Duffy show he told the nation That "rocky knew why he left". We’ve heard nothing from him since. Roddy's a joke, the rovers fans are only realizing that now. There are a lot more important things in my life at the moment, than rovers or Roddy. I enjoy debating eircom league soccer. But some fans are living in cloud cuckoo land. Rovers is a name that companies have used over the years to rip fans, the taxman & taxpayers off. I can’t see the club coming up with 13k every week .Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
DIFFERENT CLUBS. Are you that bloody thick that you cannot see the difference? There IS a clear difference between a club re-naming itself over and over again in a pathetic attempt to jump on the franchise bandwagon, and a club folding and a new one emerging. Major difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
See the bit in bold- thats where your argument collapses. Roddy did nothing wrong. Immoral maybe, the act of unmitigated *****, maybe, but he did not break any rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
As for Roddy: everyone knows the guy is a cowboy. Home Farm City hired him on a non-contract basis, because he was pulling a fast one on Carlisle- CHF were willing partners in that dodgy deal, and then they cry innocent when he does it to them?! FFS, most eL fans could have predicted Roddy would do something like that at some stage. Your gloating is just sickening, it really is. Now get over yourself Ringo- go burn some photos of Roddy or stick his face on your teddy and stick needles in it, but quit boring everyone with your anti-Roddy obsession.
Attack the post not the poster :p . you seem more upset & obsessed than me ;) . You need to get out more often. Do you really think i give two Fcuks about Roddy or Rovers . I'm just pointing out some home truths & people don't like that, tough. Stop replying let the thread die a peaceful death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Don't even try and claim you don't care about Roddy or Rovers :D That is laughable.
Not just that, I think you can't let go over it. Otherwise why would you have continuously brought up Roddy's departure from your "club" in a thread that has sweet FA got to do with your club, and very little to do with Roddy himself :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
The home truths you are pointing out are not "truths" at all. They are bitter, nasty digs at a club who you (justifiably/ understandably) dislike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
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Originally Posted by Éanna
How is pointing out that the don't have a snowballs chance in hell of paying off the 2.5million or restructering in the next three months , bitter, nasty digs. What un-truths about Rovers have i posted? They're comments on how i see things going. How can the same board, get themselves out of the mess they got themselves into, in three months. :confused:
I'm not defending the actions of Swiss Tony or the other idiots on the Rovers board. I DO however realise that if SRFC was to go bust, it would represent a massive loss to the league as a whole- their fans, their tradition, their reputation are all valuable assets to a league that has little enough to attract as it is. Rovers DO need to get their house in order, pronto, but gloating at the possibility of their demise is plain stupid and short-sighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
To return to the actual topic- I'm surprised no one has mentioned one of the revelations in the Irish Times a couple of days ago. This was that 900k was taken from the development funds (I think the company is Sloan Park or some such) for Rovers and used in day to day running of the club. The piece went on to mention that this was in direct contravention of Department of Sport and Tourism guidelines for the use of grant monies.
If this is taken at face value then there's little point in Rovers fans gurning about the government or FAI not helping out as when they did get grant money they spent it on players. That's not just another club getting itself in financial trouble, that's akin to fraud on a fairly large scale. While Rovers fans may deserve plenty of sympathy at the same time the club pretty much deserves whatever happens to it, and probably a lot more besides.
hard to disagree with that at all. The board running rovers are an absolute disgrace- I'm sure Rovers fans would be the first to say thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
This is old news, I think. They and Pat's (?) did it. This is the reason why grants for ground development hasn't been forthcoming in recent seasons. So not only are Rovers' board (and Pat's') holding their own club back, they're holding the rest of the league back too... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
Heres a question for Ringo - Would we be better off with a league of Rovers (debts & all) or a league of Dublin Citys?
Rovers debts 'n all have more of a futre than Dublin City - i cannot think of reason for your club. Sure you'll get promotion some seasons but will just recycle players from the relegated dublin or surrounding area. Has Dublin City improved in the last 3 years? was there a point to promotion? Have crowds, structures, facilities improved?
From what i hear the structure of the Rovers debt (2.5m sound a lot) is such that chances of salvation of fairly good with e new board. Its the Rovers 300 odd members of their '400' club that will save their club - have DC ever had 300 home fans at a game?
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Originally Posted by pete
If the 300 odd actually do pull them out of the fire, then it will be the single best act by any grouping of fans on the island yet, and all credit should be given to them. Rovers fans lead the way with the tifo style displays and created atmosphere at their games but this would top it to be fair .... fair play to all involved.
Why do you hate Dublin City so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
All clubs start somewhere, we can't be hundreds of years old and have thousands of fans from day one.
How many fans did your club have after three years?
What is your criteria for a club to be allowed to exist?
Is it that you must have a minimum amount of fans and be a minimum years worth of history and tradition?
If we stay in existence for another twenty/thirty/forty years would you accept us then?
Derek - Dublin City AREN'T 3 years old. Your interest in them may date back to then - but in actual fact the club goes back a lot further. You're just Home Farm with a new name, and they've been in the league for decades - much longer than Cork City, Derry City, Bray Wanderers, Longford Town, Cobh Ramblers, Monaghan United, Kildare County, Kilkenny City, and the ill-fated NewcastleWest and St Francis have been. You've therefore been in existence as a league club for longer than at least 40% of the rest of the league. How does that make you a new club....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek
Kildare County - now they're a new club. Applied to join the league, got accepted, and are slowly evolving into a team that can represent their town and County.
Dublin City - just took an existing club with very few fans, changed it's name and assumed it's league position. No new application to join, no new set-up. Same club, same players, same lack of fans. Just a new name and grander aspirations.
The fact that your club has gone through more name changes than The Jackal in the last 20 years says a lot about your role and position in Irish football.....
How about this for a solution then.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
1. Rovers go bang.
2. Leaguge spot available.
3. Dublin City take new licence give old one back to homefarm.
4. We are new club.
5. Everybody stops calling us Homefarm.
6. Everybody loves us cause we are a new club.
7. Everyone stops moaning about Dublin City being a joke.
How about that dcfcSteve.