You were right about Stewart last week though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
You were right about Stewart last week though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
the fans seem to really have taken to him also. bbcs coverage showed a load of fans running over to him and putting him on their shoulders. about time too that he gets his chance to play in the premiership.lets hope he can prove himself
It'd certainly be interesting to see if Mick did that,
if a strike-partnership was formed between Elliot and Morrison at any point in his plans, it could only be good for the Irish team.
I have a feeling every second player from McCarthys Ireland days will be linked to Sunderland this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
What about Colin Healy? Any chance of him being back for next season?
There are (unconfirmed) rumours that Thornton's hit the bottle and the fags and has more or less p!ssed away his premiership chances. He was linked to Hibernian yesterday, which isnt a move thats going to get him in the Irish team any time soon. A real pity if its true cos the guy had unbelievable potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by M@ttitude
He had a few seasons in the premiership with Boro. Got sold when Robson took over. I think he's twice the player Holland is and I really think Keane-Kav partnership would be superb. Both of them know when to stay back and when to go forward and they looked a good partnership against China. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
It's a shame to hear about Thornton. The bloke is still only 22 or whatever it is. I thought Mick had got him sorted out?
Maybe he's just a bad egg. Wasn't there loads of hassle when he left Tranmere? Maybe it's just rumours, though.
I don't like it when any player wastes a career, especially not young Irish ones.
Stewart is probably making way for Darryl Murphy. McCarthy seems to like at least 1 target man. I presume Deane is also on his way.
well it's sad about thornton but maybe another year or two with a champs. club might be best instead of being an immature lad being thrust into the money/spotlight/bs n' hype machine of the premiership - that's if them rumours about him are true though! there's a lot of rumours out there
I saw the footage of Sunderland celebrating on their open top bus, on sky sports last night (Elliot was givin' it loads), and McCarthy said he wanted to bring in 8 new players, so there could well be room for Clint or Delap in there (maybe even Doherty, if his favourtism for Irish players knows no bounds :) :D )
Steven Reid is another that Mick admires.
Here's a real wild card: Richie Partridge.
I don't think he was ever in a McCarthy squad for Ireland though, but the 8 players he wants to sign must include someone on the cheap!
Partridge must have had a good game against Leicester when he was at Coventry, a lot of the Leicester fans want to sign him:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/in...showtopic=5250
There was one game on SKY where he carried the ball a bit of a distance, cut in from the left and placed the ball past the keeper. Was this against Leicester?
I'd be Surprised if Reid moves on during the Summer. He's only now starting to find his feet at Blackburn. Saying that, this is going to be his third year so if he's in Hughes plans at all I'm sure they'd be putting a contract extension in front of him to avoid loosing him for nothing.
He definitely got at least one incredible goal against Leicester, not sure if it was live on TV though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It's now half a century since Sunderland assembled a squad so expensive they became known everywhere as the Bank of England club. Rumour had it they had spent a million pounds, unthinkable money back in the 1950s, to try and win the league.
Instead, things went badly wrong and, to the amusement of a nation, they were relegated to the old Second Division.
There have been quite a few ups and downs since, but for the last couple of weeks the team now managed by Mick McCarthy have been preparing for life in the top flight again. The ground has changed and even the football bears little enough relation to what was produced 50 years ago. But some things remain the same.
The passion for the club in the town remains as strong as ever with 50,000 turning out for the street party that followed promotion, and then there's the money . . . the team assembled by McCarthy - this week named Philips Manger of the Month - after more than 20 stars had to be offloaded cost that same magical £1 million to assemble.
Few supporters could have expected such a swift return to the Premiership when it emerged a couple of years back that the spending that accompanied the latter part of Peter Reid's reign had left the club hugely in debt and haemorrhaging cash due to an annual £30 million wage bill.
The debt now stands just short of £40 million, but the wages have been halved as most of the saleable big earners have been shown the door to be joined by those whose contracts have expired. In their places has come an array of next-to-nobodies assembled by McCarthy with the help of Ian Evans and, particularly, Dave Bowman, a long-time associate of the manager. Bowman appears to have a gift for spotting players and he is said to have played a highly significant role in bringing players like Liam Lawrence (soon to be the owner of an Irish passport) from Mansfield, Andy Welsh from Macclesfield and Stephen Caldwell from Leeds for next to no money.
Some idea of the seriousness with which the club now weigh up their spending is provided by the arrival of Neil Collins. Dumbarton wanted £25,000 for the Scot, roughly a week's wages for Phil Babb when he was at the club, but it took McCarthy and his coaches several visits to Scotland before they decided to take the plunge.
A handful of players continue to earn very large sums thanks to contracts signed under former regimes, but with chairman Bob Murray trying to reel things in on the financial side, the maximum wage for the everybody else this year was £5,000 a week.
A few big names departed rather than take the required pay-cuts when their deals ran out, but among those glad of the money in a tightening market was Gary Breen who earned roughly four times that during his year at West Ham.
Breen has looked good value this year, playing 40 games in the Championship-winning campaign and looks set to play an important part next year. With Marcus Stewart gone and Michael Bridges transfer-listed, Stephen Elliott will be the club's most prominent striker next year if reinforcements aren't signed.
His arrival, at the prompting ofBowman and Evans for (all add- ons now fulfilled) £375,000, has perhaps been the club's best bit of business over the past year with the Irish striker, who scored 16 goals in just over 40 games, now worth a multiple of that figure. Seán Thornton's future is less certain since being transfer- listed due almost certainly to his antics off the pitch.
The swiftness of McCarthy's decision to release the club's top scorer, Marcus Stewart, after promotion was assured shows he is no longer the sentimentalist some of his decisions while at the helm with Ireland suggested.
Promotion brings with it increased revenues of at least £20 million and McCarthy heard how much of that he will have to spend on players last week when he met with Bob Murray.
McCarthy says he wants to bring in eight new faces and the plan is to "do a Bolton on it" - sign decent players on free transfers, and make provision to get rid of them again in the event the club is relegated. Recent history suggests that is a distinct possibility and even a repeat of West Brom's last-gasp survival will be viewed as success.
McCarthy looks ready for the challenge even if the swift decline in his humour when asked about Roy Keane towards the end of a less than gruelling radio interview with Eamonn Holmes suggests he is no better equipped to handle the increased media attention.
Thought Thornton had mended his ways. If he hasn't he's a moran. Hoped he watched Gazza on the Alan Hansen documentary last night. The guy seems to be in a worse state than poor Paul McGrath. Hope Thornton cops himself on.
Thornton was linked with a swap deal to Hibs for Derek Riordan recently
Whelan scored the crucial 3rd goal for Wednesday last night as they won promotion to the Championship. He also won man of the match for the 2nd time in the 3 playoff games.
I was at the Wednesday game - Whelan was superb throughout, so composed for someone so young I just hope we can hang on to him.
didn't want to open up a new thread and potential wound .. but had to laugh reading this in the Guardian this morning. A quote from Roy Keane on Mick Mc Carthy
"some of the managers I've dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy. Mick gave a good, honest account of our match up here. Steve Cotterill on Friday night."
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...069492,00.html
There are some excellent managers in the Championship ok and I am delighted to see that quote, if it's true. I hope Wolves can make it to the play offs as I have high hopes for Andy Keogh. Derby, Soton, WBA (McShane apart), Stoke (Lawrence) don't excite any interest in me so I'll be routing for Woves.
man of principle alright. working for quinny and now saying that mick is a great manager :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
I'd be happy if Wolves, Preston or WBA got promoted. Don't want to see Derby and to a lesser extent Southampton in the Premiership next season. Keogh, Potter and Glesson could probably do with another season in the Championship though as I think the Premeriship at present will be a step too far for all three though Keogh might hold his place in a struggling Wolves team with no better options up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I do think though that McShane and St Ledger could do a job in the Premiership at present.
Keane did not say that McCarthy is a great manager, he mentioned that a number of managers including McCarthy gave a good account of themselves when their teams visited Sunderland.... your comment is a real case of not letting the true facts get in the way of spinning a story.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Guess we'll see more of this type of spinning by the Pro McCarthy camp who IMO always appear desparate to cling on to anything positive that Keane says about McCarthy.... still not surprised at the attempt at spining since the same people still insist that Keane walked out on Ireland when the reality is that McCarthy sent him home.
Some of the managers I have dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Yeah that's a scathing attack all right on McCarthy ain't it? What's your point? He said that McCarthy was pure class how do you know how he meant it? Are you Roy Keane?
I'm not in the pro Keane or McCarthy camp but your blind loyalty to Keane is baffling.
Btw he was sent home for being disruptive and seriously slating the manager in front of all the players. I'll try that in work today with my boss will I? I wonder would I be sent home? He also had numerous opportunites to come back which he never took which sickens me when I think I (and millions worldwide like me) would chew me right arm off to play for my country even in a friendly match nevermind the greatest sports competition in the world.
i'm neither pro-mcCarthy nor pro-keane. but i am most certainly anti-muppets who think that roy keane is the answer to all things football, the enigma, the true voice, the man of principle - who now works for niall quinn and says that mcCarthy is 'pure class' :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Pot calling the kettle black methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
"some of the managers I've dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy. Mick gave a good, honest account of our match up here. Steve Cotterill on Friday night."
It seems that Keane, having spoken to McCarthy on the phone prior to the game and had a drink with him after both games, is now more positive about him. He's been prepared to move on, so has Mick, yet others seem determined to take a totally polar take on them, even now.
I wonder if he even empathises a little now that he's on the other side of the fence. He's had to deal with players delaying the team bus, as Jack had to with him, would be interesting to see a senior squad member fly off the handle and give him stick in front of everyone. Now's your chance Kavo. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I guess there will be quite a few confused Keano nuts left in some kind of paradoxical wasteland of dogma.
Will we hear a few cries of Judas from them :)
That sounds very nice Roy.Quote:
And some of the managers I've dealt with have been pure class - David Jones at Cardiff, George Burley, Mick McCarthy.
(1) Nothing to do with blind loyaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
(2) All I'm saying is that Keane did not say that "..McCarthy is a great manager.." but did refer to him (and others) as been first class to deal with.And I as I said earlier it's amazing how pro mCarthy people seem to jump of this as if it is some major revealation etc.
(3) In relation to your comment that he was sent home for slating the manager in front of the players. As usual a pro McCarthy comment that forgets to give the full context, ie McCarthy's major managerial blunder of choosing to berate Keane in front of his colleagues and accuse him of feigning injury etc. Indeed to use your own analogy in relation to your boss, would you think it acceptable for your boss to call a staff meeting and then to proceed to berate you and call you liar in front of your colleagues .... I somehow doubt it. So for me the error of Saipan lay with McCarthy in that he failed to act as a quality manager and through his mismanagement he alienated and ultimately sent home (arguably our best player) thus diminished our chance of winnning the World Cup.
(4) What numerous opportunities ?? all I can remember is the mismanagement of the FAI who mistimed the issuing of the statement from McCarthy with him flanked by his lackies Quinn, Staunton and Kelly saying Keane couldn't return and (again poor management) the comments from McCarthy saying publicly something to the effect that he was waiting by his phone for a call from Keane and an apology.
(5) and of course McCarthy is quoted as saying the following "... no doubt that whem I'm sat in a pub in Dublin supping pint of Guinness when I'm 60, someone will come up to me and say there's the plonker that sent Roy Keane home from the World Cup.." and you know he's right on that one.
I've no doubt that'll you have your own version of events and this will run for a long time
Why would anyone be suck in a wasteland of dogma. Very simple ,in Saipan McCarthy acted in a very stupid manner etc. 5 years on he has acted in a class manner and Keane has no problem acknowledging that . So different events , on one occasion McCarthy got it right and on the other he got it wrong, hope that's simple enough for you to follow and removes any confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
There's also an article in today's Daily Telegraph on Keane setting his sights high and how the Championship has opened his eyes to a lot of things:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...1/sfnsun01.xml
No mention of Maccer though.
Of course he's bound to have learned a lot. As a player, you have to think only about yourself. As a manager you have to see the bigger picture.
Difference is I doubt if Keane would call Kavo a liar etc in front of all the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Of course he/both of them have moved on and good luck to them.... no doubt as long as anyone calls Keane a traitor or anyone saysQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
McCarthy was wrong to send Keane home, then someone will defend/attack the commentamde. IMO this is as close (luckily for us) as our generation wil ever get to a civil war. Amongst my own good friends I'd say the split is approx 60% in favour of Keane with 30% pro McCarthy and the other 10% (the smart ones) laughing and winding us up.
Working for Quinn and complements for McCarthy - what odds would you have got for that a year ago?
Keane's attitude has changed as, at face value, both he and McCarthy appear to have moved on. It appears its only us who can't escape that bloody island of 5 years ago!!
They've more to worry about with their clubs rather than constantly re-visiting the rights and wrongs of what happened in Saipan 5 years ago.
It still begs the question - what enables them to get over it now that just couldn't be countenanced 5 years ago - Is it the letting go of stubborn pride, the passing of time or the expedience of not wanting the added pressure of a media circus every time Sunderland play Wolves?
It is like been stuck in a time warp, pro-Keane or pro-McCarthy. They Have moved on, we all have our own openion, so keep it to yourself and move on.
I am suprised that Keane has done so well at Sunderland and amazed with his performance in front of the media. This will count for nothing if he gets relaged next year or leaves the club in a huff!
McCarthy has done a good job with Wolves, but would probably be better off not getting promoted as the team is inexperienced and would benefit from another year fighting for promotion instead of religation. Keogh looks the business, it is a pity that he will miss the US trip.
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
You would if you read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/She-Stood-Th...8032662&sr=8-1
I am sure they're a good club with their own history (Eastham, Matthews, Terry Conroy) but at the moment I don't any any interest in their progressing as they'll be straight back down again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Calcio, Saipan has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards and no one is going to change their opinion at this stage. For the record, I am in a group of about 10 football supporters who meet regularly (including a Corkman) and all were anti-Keane. I had another friend with whom I went to Italia 90, USA 94 etc etc but he refused to follow Ireland anymore after Saipan. He was on the Keane side of the fence. The amusing thing now is he knows Andy Keogh personally and is hoping Wolves get promoted :D So the wheel turns.