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I thought there was a rule that nobody under 16 could play in a senior game.
Sending kids to the UK on buttons = bad for kidsQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Sending kids to the UK on decent transfers fees = great for kids
Number 1 ...no deal done.
Number 2.. because he is on professional contract with rovers he can only be signed as a pro by EPL teams on a proper professional contract.
Not the 150 a week and thrown back that joeys get for their kids. Honestly EL P u have no idea of the damage being done by joeys, Kevin's etc to numourous young kids .
I can't recall being so pi$$ed off after a 3-0 win.
Slavetrade Rovers has a nice ring to it eh? :D
Wouldn't expect anything better from you. Sending kids on proper contracts when they have finished their education is better then what the ddsl clubs have been doing. Take off your blinkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Man up and admit your wrong...........never going to happen ...:)
Maybe I misunderstood you, when you complained about kids going to the UK for buttons - is it the size of the fee the selling club gets that makes it okay, or is it simply about making sure that the kids have finished their Leaving Cert and have a decent contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Are there any circumstances where you think that clubs should waive a fee or compensation to allow the kids' parents/agents negotiate better terms for themselves?
5-0 win for Pats tonight but still somehow managed to be look weak in front of goal again. We're a quality striker away from being capable of a lot more (then again who isn't).
Highlight has to be us winning a penalty, Conor Clifford asking Killian Brennan's permission to take it, only to find Ian Turner stood holding the ball at the penalty spot when Brennan gave him the go ahead. They have a brief debate and Clifford backs down, only for the fourth official's board to go up for Turner to be subbed off for Conan Byrne, which prompts Clifford to run across and pick the ball up himself, only for Conan to then take it off him and stick it away. Gotta feel for Clifford the poor fella.
It was such a flat game, fairly boring at times too, but full credit to Cobh who kept going and good to see the stand clap them off at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
They were actually the better side for the first 15-20 mins, Dundalk were poor in the first half, the passing was shocking.
Got the job done in the end.
Thought Cobh were very good tonight. Great energy and pressing, good organisation, professional attitude. Their subs went through proper drills at half time instead of just pinging long passes around like several Premier Div teams still do (and wonder why Cork and Dundalk are streets ahead). Things may just be going in the right direction
Well that's annoying. Needless red from Grace, we had chances but Drogheda deserved winners in the end.
Armstrong came on as a sub in the Celtic and looked decent. 15 is very young to be playing senior football though. You'd worry he's been pushed too soon.
Handy win for UCD in the Bowl against Pike. Only real problem is that Pike weren't really good enough to push us to any real degree, and we've never been good enough at trying to dictate the tempo of the game against teams like that, so it turned out to be a bit of a damp squib of a game
Conor Davis is one to watch though. Has taken Georgie Kelly's 19 jersey, and is off the mark already.
I can't help but wonder if the project has priority over first team successQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The real concern is why he is being pushed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Is it to add to the first team squad or to get him publicity so that English scouts start taking notice?
What is the Rovers "project"? Is it to turn Rovers into a super schoolboy club and dominate the market of sending young kids over to English clubs?
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Originally Posted by White Horse
He is either told to play them to publicise the "project" or he is doing what a number of managers do in a crisis to deflect from their performance .."we may have lost but we had only 9 men and a 15 year old kid etc etc"
If I was a seasoned pro on the bench and am passed over for a 15 year old, I would be rightly ****ed off.
That's good to hear, to be fair to Hendo he tries to do things the right way, he has two strength and conditioning coaches with the club who are starting to make a difference with the fitness of the players, I also noticed that they have produced a booklet around diet for all players with the club at all age groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
If we could have kept the players we lost over the past few seasons, Gary Comerford, Cian Coleman, Matthew Whelan and others we would be breathing down U.C.D's necks right now. The pleasing thing though is that there are players stepping up all the time, young Gordon Walker played in the EA Cup game last Monday at centre half in what must have been only his third or fourth game at senior level.
I didn't hold out much hope for last night, we were never going to catch Dundalk twice on the spin but I hope they gave a good account of themselves.
On a side note the Dundalk fans I spoke to after last Monday's game were very magnanimous in defeat.
The Cobh players were a credit to themselves, their manager and all involved with the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Comic Book Guy
They came with a good tactical plan, closed down really well and generally worked their socks off. They may not have threatened much, but they certainly made life difficult and constantly forced errors. With the exception of Shane O'Connor, the fitness levels seem very good.
A little more finesse, cutting edge and experience will take this team a good distance
Same objective as every other clubs underage teams. Get the best players in and bring them through into the first team. Some of the best will go to play at a higher level. Given the national underage leagues links with the loi clubs this should start to happen at more clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
You can stick your head in the sand if you wish, but three successive posts have raised similar questions about priorities and motives - triggered by Rovers playing a 15 year old in a cup competition that is their last chance of a trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Of course anyone involved in developing players wants them to reach their potential. Does this take priority and precedence over trying to achieve first team success at Shamrock Rovers ?
I don't think 15 year olds should be allowed to play senior football. The physical risks and the mental pressure at that age, cannot be in the best interest of the kids.
In this particular case, a 15 year old was sent on when one of the biggest teams in the country was 1 down in the cup to a first division side. Off you go lad, no pressure there....
So its not to bring in the best players and pimp them to English scouts and agents?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Good to know.
Wow 3 sucesive posts on the internet. ! Lol .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
If the kid got some minutes as a substitute it's because he deserved it. Aaron Bolger Brandan kavanagh and Gavin bazunu are all in the first team squad on merit. That might not suit you or u might not believe it but it's pretty obvious to lots of rovers fans.
Aaron bolger won't be around next season. He hasn't signed a new contract, so I guess we'll see him sitting on his hole in the oriel pk bench next season. And then on to cork where he'll realise his potential, win a league and off to engerland he will go.
I wasn't at the game last night, but early indications are that the ref went over the top with the ref card, and as Rovers have no backup strikers we witnessed another callow youth in Hoops.
Such is life.
Waterford for the cup!!
R u EZ in disguise ?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
That was one of the worst full time teams I've ever seen in united park. Rovers were clueless.
Drogs were the better team even when rovers had 11 men.
Could've won by a couple of goals more too!
Roll on the next round!
As I mentioned on my earlier post, the stand clapping at full time, it was more to acknowledge the efforts of the Cobh performance. Nice also to hear PA at the end wishing them well in the EA Sports Cup Final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Comic Book Guy
in fairness to Shane O Connor he was injured a lot for us so when he moved back to Cobh he was always playing catch up getting fit again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Blarney 0-6 Derry after 35 minutes
What's the record for an FAI Cup win? Shiels may feel he has a point to prove after his chairman's comments midweek
considering this 15 year old that played for Shamrock Rovers last night- is he the youngest ever to make his debut for any senior team in the league of ireland does anyone know?
Ah don't be so hard on them, they're just kidsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
Owen Morrison was 15 when playing for Derry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Armstrong was only 15 in June I think? Mad stuff.
I don't think there's any real psychological issue playing him. Physical - quite possible, even if he is built like the proverbial brick ****-house. But realistically, random internet fans wouldn't know more than the club on that.
7-0 Derry at half time, and they've missed a penalty.
I got a copy of the 2018 Irish Daily Mail FAI Cup media guide and I got the answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
10 goals is the highest margin. Dolphin beat St James Gate 10-0 in 1938 and also Waterford beat Rialto 11-1 in 1972.
anyone interested in seeing this media guide I can forward it onto you if you pm me here!
9-0 after an hour now. That record looks sure to be broken
I'm sure there are individuals at 15 strong enough mentally and physically to play senior football. They'd be very very rare though. I'd imagine the number of coaches and clubs that would put the needs of the club above what's good for a 15 year old is much higher. I'm sure a senior appearance adds to a potential transfer fee. Whether that's Rovers goal or not, allowing kids that young to play senior football leabes them wide open to that sort of thing when it may not be in their best interest, at all levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I had thought there was an over 16 age rule, obviosuly there isnt.
Yeah, I'm generally sceptical alright. Don't think there's any psychological issues. But physical? I could well believe it. (Not to mention any dressing room issues)
Anyways, Derry get to 10-0, equalling the record, and then concede twice. Strange game.
Looked like Blarney would get back into it until Derry got their 11th
And a twelfth confirms Derry will be in the hat on Monday
I think you may be underestimating the mental side of the game, and the impact the pressure and expectation can have on a teenager. But i agree with you in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'm just going off experience in own field (chess) where I've played in the top flight and thrown players much younger than 15 in for games on my team at times. They've never had any bothers the pressure of fighting relegation on their coach's team; it's an adventure and a show of confidence in them. Football is different of course in that it's a team game in front of paying fans (often hurling abuse - as indeed might the players) and I'm obviously not going to claim chess, though it can be very pressurised in its own way, is anything other than a vague comparison. But the psychological issues you mention - expectation and pressure - definitely exist in both, and arguably they're bigger in an individual sport rather than a team sport. But I've only ever seen positives psychologically from throwing a young player in on a high team. I think it's comfortably the lesser of the two issues.
But that's not to take away from the fact that I think I do agree with you in general. There's even a decent physical step-up from 19s to senior level that takes time getting used to.
(Edit - just to illustrate the psychological point, because I'm sure some will be sceptical, the Irish chess championships are on at the moment, and the bottom seed, who's 15, is playing an established Irish international and six-times national champion. The kid was better from early on, and clearly winning from about three hours in. But just now, in the fifth hour of the game and with the win almost in the bag, he's made one awful move and thrown everything away; it'll end in a draw now. Because it's not a team game, the mistake is entirely his fault. In my opinion, that's psychological pressure way beyond coming on for ten minutes to try turn a cup game around, even in front of a decent-sized crowd)