I expect Mick Cooke's settlement took care of the Connolly cash.
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I expect Mick Cooke's settlement took care of the Connolly cash.
Some serious questions need to be asked on the FAI Licencing system. Was that supposed ensure the clubs were financially sound for the season.
Were the budgets not correct?
Seems the towel is thrown in already with Chairman talking of liquidation.
Why not a receiver to see if the club can be saved? Administration?
Where is the FAI in all this?
Something is not right.
Administration could be the solution depending on level of debts. A worry is that there does not seem to be a supporters group/trust there that could step in and help keep the show on the road, or is there?
Bohs would lose six actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Limerick would also lose 6.
Spurs haven't actually moved in reality, and West Ham's new home was hardly a bed of roses last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The Carlisle Ground has the benefit of DART access, which doubtless helps re away fans from Dublin (who make up a large percentage of their annual crowds). Move to a new site without good transport links and they risk adding no or few home fans to replace the lost away ones.
Though on the plus side, anywhere away from the waterfront would help with that god awful wind !
Status quo were a decent band but it's not going to work in bray. If the council will pay for a revamp of the Carlisle ground happy days but I can't see it. Great if it happens
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Originally Posted by ger121
Should have actually looked up the results rather than go on memory but it makes the turmoil all the worse in the event of results being expunged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
I vaguely remember asking this 2010 but dont recall clarifictation if there was any- if the FAI have granted a licence on the basis that they have decided that budgets are reasonable and sustainable and then without any change of those figures a club goes to the wall, is there any culpibility on the FAI for granting a licence to compete on dodgy figures - say Bohs or Sligo are relegated by lost points picked up before Bray have pulled out of the league, coudnt there be some recourse for those clubs from the FAI for them not doing their job to ensure fair play on budgeting and hence that club seeing out the season as per licence and participaton agreement?
Bit like an auditor signing off on accounts and the accounts being a mess - the auditor would be answerable.
Not a chance of fai being culpable. Bray would have given a budget and they simply haven't met it...then you are into definitions of reasonableNess. The Anglo irish bank budget looked good too
Seemingly they're planning to play their u19s to finish out the season and Harry Kenny is likely to quit. I assume Bray's budget provided for backing from their friendly property developer. A lot of LOI clubs have a backer to some degree but I'm not sure what the FAI looks for in terms of guarantees from these individuals.
It makes the €250,000 they forced Pat O'Sullivan to lodge 4 years ago as a guarantee on wages all the more laughable. One rule for one and different for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Licensing certainly appears to be a "plan for the best, don't think about the worst" kind of exercise. Would be glad to see Bray finish out their fixtures anyway. With the U-19's they'd probably still stay above 10th I'd say, maybe.
I don't see how Bray finish out the season without some kind of loan from honest John.
It's grand saying run the 19s etc but who's paying the 19s? Or the coaches? Or the physio? Or the doctor? Or the bus company? Or the meals? Or the insurance? Or the training facilities? Or the esb bill? And on and on it goes.
If there is anybody left with anything other than a passing inteterst in Irish football who thinks that licensing serves any purpose other than as a fig leaf for pr and as a stick to beat clubs that rock the boat then that person is a clown.
Bray's U19s are struggling in the U19s league. They'll get eaten alive in the Premier. And then who plays in the U19s league? The 17s? But then who plays in the 17s league? Does a club need to field all its teams to avoid sanctions?
The problem again is that the league is so ****ed for teams that it can't turn anyone away. A way will be found to keep Bray alive I'm sure. But what's really needed badly is a means and a motivation for new clubs to join. Until that happens, the league can only continue suffering a slow death from the bottom up. (Though that's probably ok with the powers so long as we do well in Europe)
That's the thing having backers / investors / sugar daddy's always makes clubs vulnerable to this sort of sudden withdrawal and it's difficult for the FAI to prevent. If O'Sullivan did throw a strop at Limerick, or the Derry Chairman, what's his name at Waterford or Kelleher at Pats there would probably be serious issues also. Even at Dundalk the owners could cash in the profits and walk away if they wanted. That's why every club needs a strong Trust. Because by the time you realise you need one it's almost always too late.
In 2016, Bray's gate receipts totalled €94,000 while the overall senior team costs were €560,000. And they have increased their spending for this year.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-35887569.html
If Bray cease trading it radically reshapes the league table, which is less than ideal. But if they stay and are a shambles it also unbalances things as some team will have played big spending Bray twice while other will face shambley Bray twice. And teams that lined up transfer targets early may be disadvantaged as there are some good players available now. Never mind that Dundalk got shafted- and just because they have a few quid does not make it right.
Possibly only 18 league clubs next year if Bray go and Athlone stop as well.
Whereever things go from here it's an unholy mess.
According to this the FAI did get a guarantee and Bray are looking for new 'investors'.
Fran Gavin meeting the club today.
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...eave-for-free/
Totally disagree with this point, they came into the club like two rabid dogs looking for blood and forced really good people out of the club, people who have given the majority of the adults lives to the club as volunteers. They were treated absolutely disgracefully! Supporters have also been bullied and intimidated at games. The O'Connors are the worst thing that has ever happened to Wanderers.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebray
They are, and have been from the start, very bad news. They never have or never will care about what's best from Bray Wanderers.
It's really impossible not to applaud the speed at which the FAI have reacted to this unexpected turn of eventsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
"And you guarantee you'll put all the money in you say you will?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
"Oh I do yeah"
"Grand job; next item"
Roo69 is correct. O'Connors are the worst thing that happened to the club. He described himself as a hurler from Tipp, no interest in soccer.
How true that has proved.
Who put them there? Who was Denis O'Connor acting for? Was he not just proxy for another shareholder, former chairman? Who elected him Chairman. There are serious questions that remain to be answered.
As per licensing clubs have to provide a guarantee if increasing budget by a huge amount. Cork & Limerick had to lodge money into club accounts (maybe Bray had to do same or just prove they had funds to cover losses). Nothing to stop owners withdrawing money after they lodge it or just to decide to pull out mid season so FAI & licensing committee need to luck as change rules of guarantees work so this can be avoided again
FAI could take Bray owners to court for breaking guarantee but this would be a long drawn out case & probably not in FAI or leagues interest so it very unlikely to happen.
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Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Agreed.
On the U19s, do they need to be paid? Nevermind that, it's unlikely that all (24, by my count) senior players will get offers from clubs, or at least offers they'll want to accept. As long as they remain at Bray, they're entitled to be paid.
I just don't see how they'll last the rest of the season without a whack of cash from somewhere.
No they couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
I guarantee it*.
* Guarantee has no legal ramifications or standing whatsoever.
Its in the FAI's interest to keep the club going to the end of the season otherwise the league becomes a farce with points coming off clubs. We've played everyone twice bar Cork so 2/3rd of league season completed. I'm sure some players will stay as not all will get offers.
To be fair to the players who would stay working if you weren't getting paid? If kenny leaves I'd say they will all walk. If he stays some of them who dnot get offers might hang around.
Players wont stay if there not getting paid. Limerick had to Lodge the money to an escrow Account I remember being disgusted at the Time.
Conor kenna believes the vast majority of players want to stay in Bray. Hopefully a new investor can put up some wages..Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
Man with pudding of a job in local hospital in wanting to also keep highly paid part time job shocker.
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http://sseairtricityleague.ie/news/f...rers-fc/id-751Quote:
The Football Association of Ireland today held talks with Bray Wanderers FC regarding the club's current situation.At the meeting, the FAI requested that the club clarify its position following comments and a statement made by the club chairman last week.
A number of key items were discussed during the meeting, including the commitments the club entered into during the Independent Club Licensing process.
The FAI will continue to monitor the situation and discussions are ongoing between the Association and club representatives.
They're going to discuss them into submission.
I'm glad the FAI is monitoring the situation. It's a good thing they decided to do that, now.
In regards Bray's prospects with the u-19's playing, even if they got thumped every game from now to 33, would one of the current bottom 3 be able to make up the 16 points?
13 points once you take the win against Bray into account.
Imagine getting relegated behind an u19 team though.
Truly we follow a fantastic league.
Come on, put more money inQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
- No
I'll be your friend!
- No
Aww, you're mean
http://www.duffzone.org/references/c...pe-simp-11.jpg
They are headed for administration. Any one of the players or several can demand payment. The pfai will probably do it on their behalf. It would be shamefull if a precedent was set that a club could say flip off and get your self a new club to all their players with no consequences for brea king contracts. Asterix comING.
Only two to go down with Bray. Feel sotry for the supporters but they can come back.
Bray will still be here. Like cockroachs, they can survive anything. More chance of Delaney getting the boot than Bray going down.
Seriously, though, it feels a little different this time ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
So do people actually think they will see out the season?