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Fine margins again in the Lions. First try for NZ was from a forward pass (freeze frame it from where the pass was made and then caught). O'Mahoney asked the ref to review and he ignored him. Couple infringements in the scrum also led to other tries. Scrum far from the dominant set piece the Sky commentators thought it would be - hasn't been all tour. Not optimistic as it is usually the first game that NZ are caught cold. Sky commentators thought NZ place kicking would be weak and Lions (Farrell) stronger. Of course it went the other way - suffering from George Hamiltonitis.
That's not the rule though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
The rule is based on the passing motion itself, not the location of the pass compared to the catch.
'Backwards out of the hands' is the term commonly used.
I often wondered why there was a focus on the passing motion (which can be a bit more difficult to gauge objectively) as opposed to the final destination of the pass relative to its point of origin (which would be much easier to measure), but then it was pointed out to me that not all passes will of course be caught. For example, a passer may throw the ball back to a team-mate, who may fail to catch it, resulting in the ball bouncing on the ground and potentially forward to a point on the pitch that is ahead of the line from where the pass was originally thrown.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
If the rule prevented a team-mate receiving or collecting a pass that has gone forward from the point of the pass, then that would prohibit players in that team from picking up that loose ball, which would presumably have detrimental repercussions for the fluidity and flow of the game. It would also potentially punish teams for something (the bounce of an egg-shaped ball) that could be reasonably deemed beyond their control. So, it made much better sense then once those possible undesirable consequences were highlighted to me.
Well, that's not it. If the ball hits the ground then the pass is finished so where it bounces is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The reason they use the 'passing motion' rather than destination is because of momentum. If I'm running and I throw the ball behind me but with less velocity than I'm currently travelling, the ball with end up in front of where I threw it. So, in practice, a lot of the time when a rugby player throws the ball behind him it still ends up at a point in front of where he threw it.
Ah, I see. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Remember lads Rugby has laws not rules - laws that are open to interpretation!
Anyway - a cracking game this am - Hurricanes 31-31 Lions. The midweek teams games have been entertaining.
Anyone got any views on the tackling on Murray complaints? One gif I saw looked like a blatant attempt to chop him down on his standing leg, an utter disgrace in my opinion. My instinct was to think it was just Gatland whingeing when I read about it, but then I saw a clip and it horrified me. No way was it an attempt at a block. Barbaric.
Same thing happened to him against Glasgow this year and there was a bit of back and forth over that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It looks worse slowed down and I don't think it was malicious - but it's still clumsy and VERY dangerous and was a pen / Yellow card for me.
keep an eye on murray for a second or two after he kicks each time. usually barged, pushed or similar after almost every kick. should be a pen every timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
NZ are filth and get away with murder at every turn. It's easy to win a hape of matches when you've got he ref with ye. If they were refereed as hard as everyone else you'd see a different approach.
The ref must have been reading your comment, Bonnie. It was interesting that the two linesmen (identical twins?) were very reluctant to agree with the ref when he said that it a sending off offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Much and all as I am interested in the Lions, was the game worth 6 (yes 6) pages in the Sunday Times sport supplement? I know there isn't a huge amount of other sport on at the moment but that's a bit ott.
Listen to Gavin Cummiskey here.
http://www.newstalk.com/Gavin-Cummis...ks-game-again-
The world and its mother knows that NZ get away with murder. Maybe Garces will finally be the ref to show the rest how it's done. Or... he'll never get an AB game again.
apparently 50 years since the last all black was sent off. says it all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
while we are on the topic of ABs getting away with murder...... how long will the professional rugby world tolerate one team getting an extended warm up (the haka) just before KO while the other team has to stand still in the piddling cold rain??
The excuse that's always thrown out about the haka is that the rules pertaining to it are the same rules that allow Ireland to have 2 anthems played. Albeit that only happens when we play in Dublin. They get teh poxy haka in EVERY match!
The thing is though, NZ are World Rugby's crown jewels so anything that approaches
The problem with criticizing the All Blacks (which reminds me of when one criticizes Kerry) is that the skin is so thin that you're shouted down about being a sore loser. Look at the NZ Herald anytime they play a NH team.
8 months on and I'm still annoyed at Peyper's "performance" in Lansdowne [See Kieran Read here: https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/...6268961787904]. It was a disgrace. And all we were told to do was to "carry-on" and not be sore losers. It's a jip.
Still can't find the forward [QB style pass] that they had for the final try that day. Must root it out when I have time.
EDIT: and I forgot about Barrett's "try" when no grounding could be seen.
but both teams have to endure Irelands Call before the match under the same conditions. there's no advantage to usQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
The haka and Ireland's Call - wrist cutting stuff.
And what sort of substances was Vunipola on? He gets a clear warning from the ref "to be careful" after one of his infringements and within 2 minutes he commits another one and gets a yellow.I would check for betting irregularities around that time. He's not even a great scrummager by all accounts.
As ever, when a team gives away penalties, we hear after the game "this is something we're going to have to work on". Next game arrives: loads of penalties given away. "We're going to have to work on this". Rugby has some many technical rules, most apparently unknown by the players, and played at such a physical and frantic pace, that I wish them good luck with that.
Cummiskey is clueless - an absolute gob****e of the highest order.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Peyper's job as per red card protocol is to come up with a mitigating factors that may be required to adjudicate over before the red card is given. Its very well explained here:
http://rugbyreferee.net/2017/07/01/b...-sbw-red-card/
I don't really have a problem with the Haka...seems like most players like to face it.
I do have a problem with the fact that you must face it. You can't ignore it and continue the warm-up. You can't go into a huddle or whatever. You can't make any response to it while it is happening (as Tonga so memorably did years ago). You can't encroach on them like Ireland did years ago. You just have to stand there, a certain distance apart.
I also don't much like the idea that the opposition should have some kind of 'response' to the Haka...some kind of mental retaliation or whatever. You hear that teams have discussed the best way to respond to it. Why bother? It doesn't make them better players, just get on with it.
i actually think the whole idea of a response is getting sucked into the mental gamesmanship that the Haka is part of.
But that would be all fine and dandy without Jaco previous. And this is an issue too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
There's no point in glossing over his previous performances in NZ games and saying he did the right thing here when perhaps the bias that he has demonstrated in the past might have reared its head here.
There's no way to know. I'm willing to come down on the side of Peyper being a flute and biased to the hilt. I don't think that's an unreasonable stance given what we know of him. It’s not like you would allow Wayne Barnes away with his consistent biases even if he was “doing the right thing” as per the laws.
Great link btw.
I think that’s my biggest issue with it and you literally said what I said to herself the last night when we were talking about it. I think facing it down should be done (isn’t that the point?) or going about your warm up or whatever? But this “forced” respect that HAS to happen is resolutely unfair. Willie Anderson had it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fg4FyhZ-Kg
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I also don't much like the idea that the opposition should have some kind of 'response' to the Haka...some kind of mental retaliation or whatever. You hear that teams have discussed the best way to respond to it. Why bother? It doesn't make them better players, just get on with it.
i actually think the whole idea of a response is getting sucked into the mental gamesmanship that the Haka is part of.
Best to ignore it as if it hasn’t happened… that would wind the Kiwi’s up something else or just sit down or something…
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rug...ored-1.2848417
If the opposition wants to engage in that mental gamesmanship battle with some kind of response, then sure. Don't get me wrong, I like watching it. The Munster players' Haka against NZ was amazing TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
If they don't want to engage with it though, they should be free to do what they want.
I'm sure it's been posted before, but the Haka was not always the menacing effort it now is. Here's a piece of old footage with them performing it for the crowd (with no menace and less than perfect coordination) while the Barbarians got on with their warm up.
This was before NZ decided to try and use it to their psychological advantage, and the authorities let them.
I managed to get it on with enough time to see the KO and miss the dance. YUSS.
Fairly lucky to come out of that with a draw. Did Warburton really persuade the ref to change his mind for that last penalty ? Would have been a sickening way to lose a series it has to be said. Enjoyed the games (the Irish involvement in particular) if not the SKY hype which was even more cringe worthy than usual. All the Irish players in the Test side did themselves proud.