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The goldmine of Bert Kassies's site has been updated with the seedings for the Europa League draw.
Derry and Cork definitely unseeded, as expected. Shamrock Rovers are borderline.
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert...eedel2017.html
I've never driven Derry to Dundalk but the Bogside/ Brandywell is on the Sligo side of the City. Could of minutes drive and youre out from the city on the road to Sligo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Getting on to the Letterkenny or Buncrana Roads for Sligo from any point in the city isn't that much of a ball-ache, even from the Waterside. Similarly, getting on to the Strabane Road for Dundalk from any point in the city isn't that big a deal either. It would only take a few minutes at most from any point in the city really. It's not like you'd be talking about anywhere near even a half an hour or anything like that.
What has to happen for rovers to be seeded ?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Everyone else to spontaneously combust in the heatwave.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Excellent. .the weather outside is heating up.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Theres a near zero chance Rovers will be seeded. Its currently mathematically possible but it won't happen.
Like it was asked above, considering Cork came second last year why would Rovers be seeded.
Previous European runs?
Dublin bias - they are ahead of Derry as well.
League form has nothing to do with it. Rovers have been seeded for the past several seasons based on their European results. Including the year they reached the Group Stages. That season is no longer counted and so they will be unseeded - thuogh the rumour is that it will be included again from next year as UEFA change to a ten year period rather than the current 5 year period.Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
More Shamrock Rovers bias from UEFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Our last year in Europe before this current run was 2008. We lost heavily in the first round and based on current coefficient calculations would receive 0.25 towards our coefficient for next season. If they were to include 10 years this season we would have had 0.75 - probably not enough for us to be seeded though. But last year would have been interesting, we would have had 1.75 or 2.75 depending on how they calculate CL points back then. So we might have been seeded last season. Of course, other teams would also have additional points so the limits will be increased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Basically the 10 year switch will have unfortunate consequences for Cork City for the first couple of years, but will benefit us long term IF we can keep qualifying. Ridden Rock Solid(TM).
Seeding doesn't guarantee an easy match ROPS last year for us when we were seaded was a bad draw. Cork were unseaded and got linfield ! . Luck has a big part to play........I'd still rather be seeded though : )
Lol it wasnt a bad draw, Fenlon had lost it by then and Rovers were in disarray. There are not too many easy matches in Europe but the tie handed to Rovers last season was a lot more winnable than the majority of other possiblities!Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa;1919274[B
Yeah, it wasn't a difficult draw at all. With all due respect to them, their striker was a guy Rovers turned away after one trial game.
They were poor but fenlon had reached the end of his rope and we were playing dreadfully. My point was they were unseeded and linfield were seeded.
You can of course get lucky in the draw, Dundalk were fortunate last year to get FH of Iceland the 2nd round of the CL, although they were seeded it was the one you wanted. (mind you they would have said the same)Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Also after the first leg and 1-1 home draw, there was a fair chance the return leg could be our last of that season in Europe, and more so after going 0-1 down over there.
You should have beaten ROPs easily. We got a relatively lucky draw in the first and second rounds last year but we could easily have drawn a monster team in the first round. We could draw some very tough teams this year as well. Being seeded is massively important. If you are seeded there are much fewer teams you are worried about facing. If you are unseeded you are hoping to get one of a small number of teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I'd say Cork's first round draw last year was more than relatively lucky, you didn't have to leave the Island and up against a side barely back in pre season training !
Still I think they gave you a fair old game in TC?
To quote the current Shamrock Rovers manager we battered them. Their keeper (Roy Carroll) had an incredible game. Could have been 10-1. Actually he was really good in both games, but especially in Cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
IL is dream first round draw really.
Crusaders are in there this year seeded. Coleraine are unseeded, and the playoff winner (Glenavon or Ballymena) will likely be unseeded too.
Cheap to get to and very winnable, it's what you want.
But it doesn't feel like a European trip. Linfield was the least fun trip we had last summer, though it did enable us to play in Sweden which was brilliant. I suppose if you can guarantee the win (which you probably can 90% of the time) then its fine because you get the second round.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
It's a gift of a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Means a club can bank most of the Eur215k participation fee and has a virtually guaranteed appearance in the draw for the next round.
Speaking of money
http://www.the42.ie/dundalk-europa-l...81067-May2017/
Nice incentive for Cork next season now !
Dundalk have a receivable that they owe to somebody and are booking it as an asset? Has Kenny been up to his old tricks again? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Dundalk were better off in the years when they were poor, it was a healthy kind of poverty where every man had the moral courage to take the responsibility to improve the situation.
Cork people are so genuinely generous, you borrow money from them and they think they owe you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar
When somebody (a dirty Dub no doubt) robs a bank in Cork people will let him run free rather than tackle him to the ground and risk giving away a free kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
People that rob banks generally carry a gun so I wouldn't be tackling them, but I see your point. We do have remarkable discipline down hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Chelsea win the U-18 Premier League title, so that's now 2 of 8 for UCD.
Anderlecht will make it 3 if they win away to second-place Club Brugge this weekend, though that's obviously far from a certainty.
But tis panning out well for us so far.
FAO Derry/Cork/Rovers fans, I done an update on next months draw. It would also apply to Cork and Derry.
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Quick update on our draw.
Most leagues have finished at this stage but there are still some teams to be confirmed due to cup finals. Aberdeen will be parachuted to Round 2 as United or Ajax will leave a vacant group stage spot causing every teams to move up a place.
Although Uefa dont officially 'Region' teams they have done so to a certain extent still. Here's the latest prediction of teams we can face.
Lyngby BK Den
FC Midtjylland Den
FC Levadia Tallinn Est
Nõmme Kalju Est
HJK Fin
KR Ice
Stjarnan Ice
FK Haugesund Nor
Odds BK Nor
FK Ventspils Lat
Crusaders N.Ire
Rangers Sco
St. Johnstone Sco
IFK Norrköping Swe
AIK Stockholm Swe
There are two Luxembourg teams who are currently unseeded but could become seeded if results go in their favour in other leagues.
Could be seeded:
FC Differdange 03
CS Fola Esch
If we also were to draw any of the below teams in the first round and beat them we will be seeded in the second round!*
Seeded in region:
FC Midtjylland Den
HJK Fin
FK Ventspils Lat
Odds BK Nor
St. Johnstone Sco
AIK Stockholm Swe
Updated Excel of the latest seeding status for the europa league, it's updated daily and accurate: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...AEY2-peVXk6VaI
*You take your opponents seeding if you beat them.
Kazakh and Belorussian teams generally get included in the "North". I don't see any Polish teams in your list either.
Good example of why we don't come on here :DQuote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
I don't understand your point? You've left out several potential opponents for some reason. I thought perhaps you'd left them out by mistake so I pointed that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop
Belarus are now generally 'northern'.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
It's worth noting that regionalisation isn't guaranteed either. There's no actual rules (at least public ones) regarding it. In the past five years, four have been regionalised, 2015-16 wasn't. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E...alifying_round
Apparently UEFA make a decision on regionalisation the night before the draw.
Yeah i had a banger the morning of the 2015 draw when we were grouped with Inter Baku - though the rest of our teams were all Northern, ended up embarrassing ourselves in Iceland.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
They don't make it easy for fans at all.
just to point out that Dundalk's seeding is currently missing out on being seeded by 0.011. Had one more seeded team missed out... goes to show...had they managed one more draw at any point....
Probably another team would effect that?
If UCD had held on against Slovan for five more minutes, would Dundalk be seeded?
Can't see anyway rovers would be seeded they are miles off