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Someone got into a panic over in YBIG because Jayson Molumby has been on the bench for a couple of games and subbed early for Millwall. You see some really over-dramatized conclusions being drawn and somebody made this post which I think sums it up well:
Young player dropped for a couple of matches = panic stations.
Young player gets back into the starting 11 after a couple of weeks = all is well again.
Rinse and repeat....
Yeah, he was nearly 24 before he started getting regular football in The Championship. Even Duffy didn't get regular football at Championship level until he was 21, and that was on loan at Yeovil. So still time for Masterson to develop and hopefully achieve his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Do you think the problem, rather than being the players' problem, is maybe actually the fact you rush to judge players without allowing time to see how their development continues?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Too many fence sitters on here as it is CD, we should welcome a maverick like Tommy. Let him live and die by the sword, what harm? :)
I don't think there's any harm in someone getting interested by a new player, be it positive or otherwise. That's why we're here right? Otherwise there'd be no threads on up and coming players other than bare facts, and where's the fun in that...
Masterson came of the bench after 11 minutes yesterday due to an injury and by all accounts put in a decent shift. Hopefully he plays the last few games and progresses further in his development.
On the plus side according to the QPR fan forums they have hardly any money to spend on transfers in the summer break so now that they are safe and providing Masterson doesn't have a nightmare in any of the final 2 games then he should be in or about the first team again next season.
I do think this guy can be good but he does need a decent run in a team that is not leaking goals with some good, experienced defenders he can learn from. QPR have neither of those requirements at the moment.
I think a full season in the Championship playing regularly would/will be huge for Masterson. Going to Liverpool has cost him a year or two of development really, while Dara O'Shea was slumming it down in League 2 Masterson was coasting (i.e. wasting his time) playing under 23s. Injuries didn't help as well to be fair.
Basically I think his potential could be huge and his skillset is ideal for a modern day Premier League defence. But he needs to learn his trade like O'shea has done and a good run of games now will help to make up for lost time.
Totally. If my son can play he is going nowhere near a big club to learn his trade.... so straight to Manchester United!
Scores today.
Scored after starting today against Millwall. Hopefully doing enough to keep him in the frame for next season.
By God, Masterson popped up with a goal! Only 6 subs on QPR bench. Let’s hope he can push on. Keep the humble pie in the freezer for another couple of years, but hopefully I’ll be eating it alongsides Idah’s pie!
Manning makes it 2-1. Great day at the office.
And Molumby with the final goal
Any word on how Shodipo is doing? I noticed he's reappeared in the first team after lockdown.
Shodipo kept his fitness up during the lockdown and came back in good form. The feeling is that he was basically playing for his career at QPR and needed a good spell. Hopefully he has done enough to stay involved.
Pre-lockdown, there was a tweet from the club owner, Tony Fernandes, referring to Shodipo as his favourite player. Obviously doesn't count for much if he isn't doing the business on the park but there must be a will for him to do well.
Reading a few different forums to try and see the impressions on Masterson. Some QPR fans have him in the starting line up for next season. Others have him out on loan.
I think it's very clear he has a lot of work to do. But it is also clear that he is a good reader of the game and very comfortable on the ball. Strength, power and aggression are probably the missing pieces and Eirambler set out the excellent point above that he missed that season in League Two that Dara O'Shea got.
He is a very driven and determined young lad. Further, he comes from a solid background as his father is a football man but also has a successful professional career (Director at Irish Rail). They will have learned so much about his game this season that they wouldn't have playing under 23 football at Liverpool. I'm sure that the weaknesses identified will be easily turned into opportunities by them.
He is no Ryan Burke. Not yet anyway.
For anyone interested in his performance today, I’ve provided some specific examples should you want to watch a replay.
Good things: As always he’s comfortable on the ball with pretty good distribution. Made some vital interceptions/clearances, and had a reasonable second half. And wasn’t at fault for any of the 2 goals.
10, 87, 89 minutes: dominating headers won from goal kicks
47 minutes: good tracking and headed clearance
60 minutes: firm challenge at edge of box
82 minutes: excellent clearing header from cross
Bad things: as mentioned by others, some issues with concentration/ball watching, and nearly cost QPR 2 early goals today.
2 minutes: gets turned easily and gives cheap free kick away
4 minutes: misjudges a header from long WB clearance, results in west brom one-on-one which should have been a goal
6 minutes: let’s Robinson to come across him allowing a free header in 6 yard box which should have been another goal
13 minutes: allowed Robinson cross in front of him again and would have been a tap in bar a deflection on cross
16 minutes: simple through ball from O’Shea got caught between his legs flicking it on to left winger resulting in dangerous chance
83 minutes: more of a collective defensive issue, terrible defending from free kick with multiple WB players having a potential free header, Bartley messed it up. Masterson was at the right edge of box; not the place for a centre back. Defending from set pieces has been an Achilles heal of QPR all season, so partly related to coaching as well.
Many weaknesses that I see (concentration, strength, agility) are imminently addressable to some extent and certainly experience will improve him. He does have an excellent attitude by all accounts and he will hopefully work hard to address these in off season and beyond. His first half performance is why I feel the way I do about him longer term, but I’ll be happy to be proved wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, but he stayed with the Liverpool reserves too long.
His approach to next season is crucial. Personally, I think he should work as hard as he can from tomorrow, see how preseason goes and see how many centre backs QPR bring in. I just can’t see him being fully backed for next season going on recent performances and QPR’s aspirations. He should then clarify with Warburton early if he’s first choice or now. If he’s not, then he should go to league one on loan until Christmas ASAP. He should not stay if squad player. He needs as many first team games as possible next season
He needs a decent centre back to learn his trade from and he certainly won't find that at QPR. They have been shocking defensively since the restart.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Rewarded with a new contract : https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news...-new-contract/
I've gone from thinking he wasting away at QPR to thinking he could replace Duffy in Ireland team over course of this season
I think O'Shea is well ahead of him at this stage and Collins could have a big season coming up as well, but Masterson is doing OK, if he can get 30+ games for QPR this year it will bring him on in a big way.
We shouldn't forget Clark either
I hope Masterson starts regularly this season. He was poor at weekend, according to match report and fans forum. Right now, people have new signing Dickie starting ahead of him with Barbet. Hopefully, Conor will get the nod....
Masterson wasn't even a guaranteed regular starter for QPR at the end of last season after Leistner and Hall had left, and yet you think he'll displace our best player in recent years in Duffy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I would consider Duffy, Egan, Lenihan, O'Shea, Clark, Long, Collins and probably even Pearce to be better options than Masterson as things stand.
He's one of those players with a bigger reputation than his true standing in the game merits. Purely, I suspect, because he once was on Liverpool's books (without actually ever playing for them) and has a reputation for being a voguish ball-playing centre-back.
Similar could once have been said of Cleary and O'Hanlon.
I said could replace Duffy. My reasoning being that Kenny always played him in the 21s because he is a ball playing center half which he likes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
I also said by the end of the season because he has to develop and play regularly. Its not similar to Cleary and O'Hanlon because Masterson was playing regularly in Championship by end of last season. He obviously needs to kick on and be 1st choice in the QPR team this season.
Suggesting that a player playing in the top half of the Championship could replace one that couldn't get a game in the bottom half of the Premiership recently is hardly a massive stretch
Collins seems to have regressed since O'Neill took over at Stoke, hopefully he will play a bit more this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Dropped in favor of their new 24 year old signing from league one Oxford, Dickie
Back to under 23 football today for Conor to keep fitness levels up
He and his agent should be pushing for a League One/League Two loan move to keep his career on track. He's played little senior football for a player of his age.
I can’t see it happening unfortunately. QPR are wafer thin at centre back at the moment, they cannot afford to let Conor go out. Dickie was league one last year, apparently wasn’t great at the weekend, Conor needs to take his place or hope for an injury. But yes needs 40 plus games this season
Not in squad today. Played for their under 23s 3 days ago, and doesn’t appeared to have been injured overtly on match report.
Yeah. Further evidence he won't make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Yet another very valuable contribution to this forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
You are straight onto this thread when Masterson puts a foot wrong or isn't picked. Look back over your posts here. It's a vendetta to prove yourself right on your prediction for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
He's 22, not 19 like Collins. He needs to be playing regularly at this stage of his career. Sitting in a very average QPR team's reserves is not where you usually find future international quality centre halfs when they are 22.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
If his career keeps progressing at this pace I could easily see him playing for Waterford in 2 years along with Afolabi.
Pretty odd outlook from you. Merely contributing to an open forum on Irish football respectfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Needs a loan for the good of his career.
Seems QPR want to bring in another experienced centre-back, with Masterson to be shipped out on loan as Warburton looks to cut his squad.
https://londonfootballnews.co.uk/qpr...to-trim-squad/
At 22, Masterson desperately needs to be playing games at some level if he's to have any sort of long-term future in the professional game.