I would be the first to criticise JC and I have in the past. I feel he has learned from past mistakes and Cork will be so much stronger next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by avvenalaf
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I would be the first to criticise JC and I have in the past. I feel he has learned from past mistakes and Cork will be so much stronger next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by avvenalaf
I think he realises that he needs to set his team up differently and be less cautious away from home. My question is whether he knows how to achieve this. Has any of his teams in junior football played a more expansive game?Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
JC is no mug and over 2 seasons has adapted his tactics - this season gone he tried the keep it tight away hoping that Dundalk etc would drop points and as long as Turners Cross was some sort of fortress the averages wuld work in Cork's favour. Next season I would expect Cork City to go for playing for 3 points home and away. It certainly seems that he is bringing in players for this process. I also expect a fitter harder working side next season along with Rovers and Bohs!
I think your spot on Nesta. I think there could be as many as five teams in the title race next term. Bohs and rovers seem to be doing the biz along with cork and yourselves again. I've a feeling derry might be stronger this year as well. Regarding jc well along with his own way of thinking I personally think pressure from the bom and fans will see a different city this year. It's a pity it's after taking three years to get here and the sad thing is we has the players in that period to deliver. The players had to play the way jc wanted simple as.
Maybe the European disaster is carrying extra weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
YOu can feel what you like but you've absolutely no basis for believing he's learnt from his mistakes other than hope. In Cork's last game, a cup final, they couldn't/wouldn't attack Dundalk. Since then the only player he has added are defensive players.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
Cork may/may not be much more attacking next year but he's done nothing yet to make you think that's the case
He's also released Billy Dennehy, and it's rumoured Gaynor is considering his options too, so unless he gets in at least one more attacking wide player it's looking like they'll play a similar style next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Mind you i expect Holohan to really establish himself next yr, but still i think they need a good attacker to replace Dennehy if they want to win the league next yr. Still early days in the transfer window though.
If Dundalk lose Towell and Horgan it should create a more even playing field next season. I'd expect Cork, Rovers and Dundalk to be in a much closer title race nxt yr, and hopefully we'll see a bit more progress in Europe too.
To be fair, next season will only be Caulfield's 3rd in senior management. He has made mistakes but you can't accuse him of not learning from his mistakes because he hasn't had much time to learn from them. We play in a certain way away from home but we did play some great football at times at home against some teams. We don't have the quality or pace in the final 3rd to make the sort of gains against the top teams that we would like and my fear is that the type and quality of player we are looking for just does not exist within the constrains of our budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It's not the way we want the gap narrowed though is it? I'd love to see a league with three or four teams playing at the level Dundalk set this year or Pats did in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Exactly what you've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Some are of the idea that City already have the players to play the type of football everyone would like to see but I don't subscribe to that at all.
The players Caulfield has got in are the ones available to him within his budget constraints.
If you pay the money you will get any player you want but first of all you have to have the money available in your budget & even then you're not guaranteed that they will work out.
If Caulfield was spending wildly without any sign of progress then that would be a different matter.
If only everything was so simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
You have your opinion disgruntled and I have mine. A lot of folk have the same opinion as me. We played well in maybe four games last season. The rest was ****e and deep down I think you know it. Take Iceland as one example. One up and playing well. They go down to ten men and we go into defensive mode. 250,000K down the drain. I could go on but I've a feeling you just don't want to know. You can paper over the cracks but that won't solve the problem. I hope he has learnt from past mistakes because if he hasn't then the flock will soon taper off.
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That's no problem mate. It has nothing to do with not wanting to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
I never said it was pretty & yes Caulfield has made mistakes but if you're trying to pin it all on the manager then I can't agree with you.
Some of the players brought in haven't fulfilled their promise but that can happen to any manager.If it was that easy then we'd all be doing it.
Two second place finishes in the championship & runners up in a cup final in two seasons would be excepted in most clubs except maybe some like Real Madrid.
He seems to have realised his mistakes & is trying to do something about it. He has strengthened the backbone of the team with quality & now it's time to think about signing players who will offer something going forward. I've no doubt he is trying to sign more attacking players but it's not always easy.The type of players needed are few & far between in this league.
He has a contract to do a job & if he doesn't do that job then he will be looking elsewhere for employment but he has to be given time to do it.
I'm quite happy with what he's produced so far but now its time to go to the next level.If it comes to the time when he hasn't fulfilled what's expected of him then I will be one of the first up to say " Its time to go John"
I may have missed a post here or maybe even on another thread but has JC's budget been increased for 2016 or is it the same as 2015, or indeed are those details in the public domain?
I don't think we're that far apart from our way of thinking disgruntled. We have a few players on big money who just didn't perform last year.. so I'm hoping this year will be different. I'd say we may have a slight increase in our budget this year. The thing is down in Cork if you have a team challenging then you will get crowds of 4000 on a regular basis. A mediocre team will have our core support of between 2200-- 2500. Still not bad.
No idea yet. Prize money should be up but crowds were down a little so its hard to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
I'm sure that he what he wants to do, but it is easier said than done.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Does Caulfield have the managerial and tactical ability to do this?
I'm sure he will address the S&C gap but that is not the only area where Cork have fallen behind Dundalk.
I think Caulfield did a great job on 10%* of the budget Dundalk had. (*Copyright, J Caulfield)
What you say about the support numbers is correct but a city the size of Cork should have a much bigger support.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeforce
I do wish the people of Cork would take a chance & come out a support the club in greater numbers.
More through the gate = more money for players etc. Take a chance & see where it gets you. If it doesn't work out after a period then by all means stay away but at least give the club a chance to grow.
In Cork we seem to be always waiting for someone else to put the money in & get success. God knows we've had some chancers down through the years & its always ended in tears despite any success we've had. At least now it’s different being a fans owned club. The days of white knights are long gone, thankfully.
We've made great progress since our reincarnation & hopefully with the fans support we will show further progress next season.
The key to success is proper sustained progress not wild chasing the dream type spending.
Don't know whether his teams have been expansive or not but he's been very successful at any level he's managed at.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
He's won trophies all over the place so he obviously has something about him. So far he's had 2 League runners up & a Cup runners up in two seasons at LOI level. He's just been unfortunate to have come up against a very talented & well drilled Dundalk squad.
It would be interesting to see what he could do if he had Dundalk's budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
Declan McGrath produced an brilliant piece earlier this year about the 'impact' LOI clubs have on their community, i.e. what percentage of the locality attend the games. On average it was 3.8%, which is decent compared to foreign leagues. Cork was slightly below this at 2.84%. In fact most clubs were slightly below the average, while Dundalk (5.86%), Longford (6.8%) and Sligo (11.5%) were well ahead. (Sligo seem to have the biggest impact on their community by a mile, probably because of all the excellent community work they do and investment in facilities over recent years etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
It's a bit of a read, but it's v informative. I recommend it to anyone interested in LOI attendances. Here's the piece on extratime.ie - http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/article...e-attendances/
What's Dundalks budget? How much higher than Corks if at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Stephen Kenny took a squad of players that no one wanted and made a league winning team. Do you think he did that with a huge budget? Even with winning the league do you really think his budget increased dramatically?
They could sign every defensive player in the country for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Anyway if Towell goes we will have the lowest budget in the league when you factor in that the rest of the squad pay subs.
Give Dan Murray a 5 year full time contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Isn't that what he's done at every club he's been.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
I don't know what Dundalk's budget is but they must be spending the money on something because it's certainly not the stadium.
If Dundalk lose Towell & Horgan then we'll see what he can do next season on the low budget that some seem to think he has.
I've no doubt at all that Kenny is a very talented manager & coach but he's not doing it on buttons.
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Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Thanks for that. It's a big piece of work by McGrath.
I've got it opened here & will read it later.
No one said he is doing it on buttons but look closer to home at the players your team has. A number of them ain't cheap either.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
This is done to death but there are extenuating circumstances currently that is preventing ground investment. When these issues are sorted we will start to see progress in this area. One thing that is currently developing is the Dundalk FC savings a/c. In the past when grants were awarded they were tough to get drown down when 20% had to be raised by the club. Currently having the finances in place to draw down any allocated grants will mean that improvements wont be so protracted (unless planning objections happen). It is true though that keeping a winning squad together gets more expensive as players want a slice of the pie. This time we may see the players budget drop if Towell and Horgan leave and stopping the 3 and bust scenario that has blighted clubs in the past (assuming of course that we are on for a 3 in a row which is in no doubt really).Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Who did you have in mind ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
I would guess that the following Cork players wages would be on par with their Dundalk peers (bar Towell):Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Miller, Healy, McNulty, Bennett, Murray, Gaynor, Dunleavy, B Dennehy, Shepard, O'Suillivan...
Players would not be resigning with a club if the wages were poor.
I don't know about the rest but Dan Murray has had a full time job for the past few years. Don't think hes earning all that much.
Thanks for replying for me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
Ok lets go through them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
Miller, Healy, McNulty, Bennett, Murray are all local & all in their mid thirties.
Miller, Healy & Bennett returned home to Cork having exhausted any possibility of a contract elsewhere.
Murray first came to Cork in 2002 aged 20.
McNulty is local & has never played with anyone else except Cork.
Gaynor is a wanderer having has about 7 different clubs. He actually from Louth.
Dunleavy came back from the UK aged 20 at the end of the 2011 season having gone over as a kid & not done much over there.
O'Sullivan came from the Munster Senior League & played under JC at Avondale Utd.He was 30 before he even made his LOI debut.
Miller. Healy & Bennett would have decent LOI wages I suppose but they wouldn't be big considering they're at the end of their careers & wanted to come home anyway. The rest wouldn't be on great money. I don't know about Shepperd but he was mostly a bench player with Rovers.
The Dennehy brothers are from just down the road in Tralee although Billy was released at the end of the season.
We couldn't hold on to Horgan because we couldn't give him what he's got from Dundalk & we certainly couldn't match what Towell is getting.
I think a lot of the players resigned because they're happy here & there isn't much money in the LOI now in any case.I presume our budget has improved this year to be able to sign Beattie & Bolger + hopefully a couple more if what we offer is acceptable to them.
We're hopeful of a more attacking style next season but that depends on who we can get in. The main thing is that we want to improve rather than Dundalk going backwards.
He's probably more of a Rambler than a Wanderer!Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
The word up here is that he desperate to start playing football again. Missed it over the last two years apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
I think some folk on here are getting worried about the rebel rising.some might regret trying to **** against the wind. Could be a potential Banana skin for some.:monkey2::monkey2:
At least in Cork he doesn't have to play of recycled tyres :pQuote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Gary Buckley signed a two-year deal with Cork.