Option (e) is the most plausible.
Option (e) is the most plausible.
If that is the case it doesn't say much about the people that run your club. Complaining 3 weeks ago about tv affecting crowds and revenue (which I agree with) and then turning their nose up at additional revenue. Things can't be that bad if Rovers can afford to turn down money just to stick two fingers up at their superiors.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
It makes Shamrock Rovers look like absolute amateurs to go public about "TV coverage reducing crowds" and then turn around and impose limits on fans going to the next televised game.
This is the sort of stuff that makes the league look like a joke to the wider sporting public.
This has just made the potential for trouble even more likely
Theres gonna be a few hundred Dundalk fans in the home end.
Plus u can buy tickets online which I know a few who have already
Very handy. Saves taking time off work and queuing up at Oriel Park at 10am on Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
https://www.shamrockrovers.ie/online...product_id=144
Great bunch of lads
It is also clear from the piece on the Dundalk website, that Rovers are also acting up with the allocation of concession and child ticketsQuote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
The Rovers on-line booking system should also prove handy in accessing discounted tickets when the miserly official allocation is sold outQuote:
Dundalk FC have received a limited allocation of approximately 700 tickets for this match due to ground and security restrictions. Included in that allocation is a very limited amount of concession and juvenile tickets.
Is there anything to be said for selling the allocation and then asking for more?
Apparently it has already been clarified by Rovers officials that no further tickets will be providedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
The away section in Tallaght holds 700 which is, incidentally more than double the size of travelling support that Dundalk have taken to any previous league game in Tallaght. Assuming Dundalk's demand exceeds this number, which section of the ground do Dundalk fans here recommend they go to? For the record, there is of course additional costs incurred by the club when visiting numbers exceed a certain figure (extra stewards, gardai, turnstile blocks etc) which means that the financial gain from selling a couple of hundred extra tickets is pretty much cancelled out.
Think of all the costs you are saving by the home support falling to such low levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
Can you not fit the thousand or so home fans into one of the stands and let Dundalk have the other?
That would be pretty effective segregation and would cut down on security costs.
Presumably you're suggesting something similar too, if the roles were reversed, Dundalk fans being told by their own club to vacate the shed in order to accommodate a larger than normal Rovers crowd. Financial and security reasons aside, I don't know why any self-respecting club would do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
To be honest if it was Rovers coming to Oriel to maybe win the league I'd want as few of their fans there as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
I think the issue here may be more to do with Rovers complaining about reduced attendances at televised games and now restricting the attendance themselves at the very next televised game.
Personally I don't see a huge issue, plenty of Dundalk fans won't travel to Tallaght normally for various reasons so I just hope that everyone who usually travels to our games there get to this game.
The concerns over the recent live match had little or nothing to do with the potential Cork crowd that would have come, but everything to do with how the home support was affected on the night. Our club does need to address our falling attendances - there are a number of reasons for this, including TV - but we're talking strictly about our own support here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
As a fan I'm not in the slightest bit concerned by how many visiting supporters ever travel. Financial gains from larger crowds are usually cancelled out by increased security costs, and this game is no exception. I'm satisfied, in this instance, that the club is acting in its own best interest by restricting the away support to what it can safely accommodate in the away section.
This has nothing to do with security and everything to do with ego. Most clubs would do the same, to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
However, none would been as foolish to have recently requested no TV coverage due to falling crowds.
It makes Rovers look foolish and very small.
See post 93. You sure?
I would fully expect any other club in the same situation to base their decisions in their own club's interest.
In the context of the request for no TV coverage due to small crowds? You bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
Amateur stuff from your board.
From the model club, well I never.
What will happen is loads of folks will buy a ticket online or go plain clothed into the rovers end away from your ultras.
If people want to see the match then they will get a tickets.
For me i am torn because I hate giving that shower any of my money
Rovers now have tweeted a match poster in German, translated 'all German fans welcome'
Still only 700 tickets going to the away side. Pure and utter arrogance.
Ein ticket bitte. Danke, auf wiedersen
Did the tweet mention the champions elect? Seeing as they're so keen to market the game they would want to mention the only decent thing that'll be on show
More like desperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Small club😩
German colours are the same as Dundalk's too. Might be a lot of Germans there. Most of them cheering on Dundalk strangely.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Fixed your post there Del Boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Oh mongetoutQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I've heard the 700 tickets is on advice by the Gardai. Would an additional 500 or so really be that much of a big deal?
Shhhh it's more craic blaming Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
I do think that the away section could be slightly extended to make up to 1000 without creating security concerns. Realistically there won't be many Rovers, also there was no problem putting Rovers fans in the west stand with us for the setanta cup a few years ago
Papellen bitte.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
That is possible - but I really doubt it. If the Gardai had significant security concerns, the first step would be to make the match all ticket. It is not so for very obvious reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
With the additional cost of more people running the turnstiles, more stewards, more Garda etc. and with the cost of expanding the away section area whilst potentially p***ing off regulars whom may not be able to sit in there regular spot. And with the increased risk of trouble, is it really worth for Shams Rovers to give additional tickets ATM then what the current away section holds? If the benefit to Rovers was a couple of hundred quid then imo it isn't worthwhile to have say potentially 2,000 home supporters and 1,500 away supports as it won't feel like a home game and any advantage they have from playing at home is out the window for the say of small money.
Plus if Dundalk requested more tickets a day or two before the game who is to say they'll be able to get more security (Gardas, stewards etc) at such little notice to meet the demands.
I highly doubt Dundalk would give away half of their ground if you swap the situations round. Nor should they be expected to or any club for that matter
Have the allocation for away supporters sold out?
Have Dundalk brought more then 700 to a league game on there travels this season?
Not this season, but this is a possible chance to win the league on Friday. The last biggest away league support in recent years was between 1k and 1300 v Pats in Sept 2013.
I still think Rovers could have made more available. It's not as if there will be a massive over demand from Rovers fans for the match.
Tickets going on sale tomorrow. Expected to see out quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
We brought over 700 to Drogheda, but normally our away support doesn't reach those levels. It takes a really big game to get people to travel in those sort of numbers. The last one that comes to mind was the "decider" in 2013 when we brought about 1,000 to Inchicore. Pats gave us about half the ground that day.
Small club mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
I forgot about the Drogs a away games, 20 mins trip down the M1 helps ofcourse.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
In previous seasons when we could only get around a thousand at a match we may have. Of course that would depend if we were in the same position as Rovers moaning of loss of revenue and looking like fools when there is potential to increase revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
A lot of moaning going on but I'd seriously doubt anyone half way determined to make the game will miss it.
Why do people feel there will be a need for extra guards and stewards, that would only be the case if an always closed part of the ground was being opened to allow extra fans to the game.
The number of matchday staff matches the potential capacity of any ground it MUST especially in this league when no one has a clue how many people will be there otherwise games could be under staffed.
There are usually more guards in Tallaght for games then you see in the Aviva so I'm not buying that as an excuse.
I can't see any Dundlak fan who wants a ticket not being able to get one granted they may have to go colourless but just buy a ticket for home stand and goin early and sit at the end nearest away fans.
Well we had a somewhat similar situation in Oriel last season. For the League Cup final instead of giving Rovers half the ground we just extended the capacity of a truly awful away end. (And then the FAI stewards wouldn't let them use the new stand.)
This is primarily revenge and frankly it's hilarious to see Rovers reduced to such pettiness, especially when their whining about attendances and actively targeting Germans tourists. It's amazing how far they've slipped in the past couple of years. If only they could have found a decent manager after Mick O'Neill departed. Still at least they've got that situation sorted now with Nutsy in place. Step 1 in the master plan... replace Ronan Finn with Gavin Brennan. (At least they didn't let Finn go to a rival club.)
This is just going to be mayhem on Friday in Tallaght. I know of my own bus which is full with 52, at least 30 will have home tickets and I know of another bus which is full and nobody on it has a Season Ticket (which means they will all be in the home end)
You do have to wonder how the Gardai come up with these ideas. I still see they are selling tickets online aswell!