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Ahh the old selective quoting eh :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I haven't moved at all, look at my original post on the first page.
I said that "he could take his pick from any club that could afford him"
Where have I wavered like?????? :confused:
Conor, without going into details, I'm involved a lot with football and my "majority" comes from football people who like I said, have a lot more involvment and knowledge than you are I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Everybody I speak to or have dealt with thinks he's a fantastic player who WILL end up moving.
I was only using that as an example about his contract, like I said, he could take his pick of clubs that can afford him (whether it's 30m or 10m) but everyclub would want him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
A lot of clubs wouldn't be interested in him just because it's a knock down price, it's because he's a great player. If Milan can only afford 7m but can't afford £30m does that mean they don't think he's a great player and that they wouldn't have him in a flash....
Conor, you are entitled to your opinion as we all are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
My point was that people more in the know than us seem to think he is all that.
I don't think I deserve the patronising "you may know everyone in football" line, I certainly don't and didn't say that I did and the ones I do are hardly in the top echelons of football. I was merely using it to make a point that people involved in football seem to rate him and they are the one's that ultimately count.
Or it might mean they don't have £30m? But surely as my point has been all along if they were prepared to pay say £10m,£15m or £30m, then they feel he's a player worth having...whoever could afford him and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Everybody I speak to or have dealt with thinks he's a fantastic player who WILL end up moving.[/QUOTE]
Ah well then :eek: :D
KOH
To me, World-Class meansthat he is so good that he would automatically walk on to any team on this earth. With Gerrard, that is not so;
Man Utd: Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes, Giggs.
Arsenal: Pires, Vieira, Ljungberg, Fabergas, Gilberto Silva.
Real Madrid: Figo, Guti, Beckham, Zidane
Chelsea: Robben, Lampard, Tiago, Makelele, Duff.
Barcelona: Xavi, Ronaldinho, Deco, Van Bronckhorst
Milan: Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka
Theres 6 club midfields that he'd struggle to get into on a guaranteed basis week in, week out.Of those, Keane, Vieira, Zidane,Deco, Seedorf, Kaka are all better central midfield options than him, and certainly aren't any way inferior to him.
You sound like my aul one!! Jesus are you?!! :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Anyway remember Paul O'Donnell from the mists of time. Sounds like an interesting story.
Jim Beglin left Rovers for liverpool in 83.
Future Hoop legend Tony Cousins left Dundalk (who wouldnt?!!) in 1990 spending 2.5 fruitless years there. Remember well rtengland had liverpool v southampton on live one saturday afternoon and that idiot souness wouldnt bring Cousins on. That's how close he came.
KOH
That hurts soooo much. That's a fantastic argument there mate. Anthing else out of that wonderful intellect you'd care to add to the debate? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
No way....I'd have put you in a black bag with some rocks and went to the ha'penny bridge if that was so :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Lucky Rovers...hope ye got money for him, and hope that he didn't talk with that west-brit brogue he uses on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
This is your opinion JS.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
I have no doubt that he's a better central midfielder than Makelele, Tiago, Van Bronkhurst, Gattuso,Fabregas and Keane. That's mine.
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Originally Posted by joeSoap
Joe, I take your point on the quality of these midfields. Some of the players however you mentioned here also don't play on a regular basis in midfield for their team. It is the nature of modern football to rest and rotate players. in my opinion some of these players would play even less in midfield if Gerrard signed for any of these clubs.
Take my own club, Arsenal, if we were to sign Gerrard, fabregas (curently deputising for Gilberto/Edu) wouldn't play on a regular basis if the option of Gerrard was there. In one way I'm glad we don't have him as we have saved a lot of money by nurturing Fabregas along the way.
In Barca, Gio Van B. cannot get a game in midfield and plays at left back where he may be edged out by another former gooner silvinho. Ronaldinho and Deco are often used not as midfield men but as the 2nd striker behind E'too and this is even more likely since the injury to Larrson. Giuly is also at the club and would think Gerrard would be every bit as good as him
At Real, Guti is by no means a regular and falls into the same type of bracket as Solari - a squad player. I think gerrard would jump above both of them if they had him available in my opinion.
At Milan, Pirlo is often deployed as a second striker, as is Kaka - I think Seedorf is a great player but Gerrard would undoubtedly push him close for the position on the right or in the centre.
Tiago doesn't always start at Chelsea and Makelele has yet to produce his Real form at Chelsea, he is also 31 and possibly not many years left compared to Gerrard. They are defiently interested in him since they made public their attempts to sign.
All quality midfields and all midfields where I feel Gerrard wouldn't be out of place. It's great compliment to Gerrard that he has rose to prominence in Liverpool and England midfields at a time when both do not have midfields like they did in the past.
Gordon Bennett!Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
After spending an afternoon argueing with Conor over his opinion, you just accept his. You must be getting tired or something
Presume you saw the smilie?!Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Sense of humour: None obviously and I'm not your "mate".
Wonderful intellect? From someone who thinks gerrard is better than traitor :eek:
Come back when you know something about the game not when your buddies tell you he's a "fantastic" player........
KOH
Me and Conor always end up agreeing to disagree :D :D I am getting a bit tired of it now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by noby
Now I'm not going to get into a debate with you too NY. I didn't realise you were only messing (brains a bit scattered from arguing with Conor all day) so I will apologise for the rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
And I will accept your rant in retaliation to mine without biting back!
Who's traitor by the way?
Thats the spirit! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
You're getting the hang of this internet thing Fr Jack!!
Traitor?! Take a wild guess!
KOH
Oh yes! Well that's a debate for another day! ;)
Fair enough, you got me....I was getting a bit tired and cranky :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Just to get back to the original point of the post.
As a Pool fan I don't think Gerrards heart is at Liverpool anymore and think he will go at the end of the season.
Didn't see his tackles last night but I know what he is capable of and he got lucky. You need a bit of luck in football.
Surely the term "World Class" is relative.
We all have our own ideas/criteria as to what makes a player World class and no 2 people will ever agree on all players.
as for wages to IQ ratio, its Rio for me every time (but maybe i'm biased ;) )
ummm...the original point of this thread was my glee at seeing l'pool crash out of the CL, only to see my dreams implode b4 my eyes in a 8 minute spell...then it erupted into god knows what.... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Getting back to Liverpool FC.....is it true that the Kop actually no longer exists. I know its the Kop end of the ground, but someone recently said, I think it was Lawrenson, that the Kop now sadly was a McDonalds...can someone kindly explain?? :confused:
Thanks for reminding me. Oh how I laughed when I read it first.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
As for the Kop, I know there's a McD. in the back of it since they re-built it. Whether it's called 'the McDonalds Kop' or something, I'm not too sure of.
Just glad to be bringing a smile to your friday Noby :DQuote:
Originally Posted by noby
Don't think colours are that much of an issue at any other grounds. That is a story that you really couldn't make up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Theres a McDonalds in Shea Stadium New York, where on NFL Match Days the staff dress up in the Jets gear, padding, helmets the works..They pretend to play football behind the counter...quite sad, really..
Mets play in Shea. Jets play in the Giants Stadium. GO JETS!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
KOH
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Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat
You're making about as much sense as Pat Dolan's Waistcoat! You reckon Everton might win on Saturday but still maintain they're ****! :confused:
Fair play to the Pool for making it to the last sixteen but that's as good as it's going to get. Ye defeated a depleted greek side who totally fell apart in the second half. Ye still played poorly on the night and were an absolute shambles in the first half.
Name their full side so, as opposed to the side that started on Wednesday night. I think you'll find that you're talking $hite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillo
If anyone was depleted it was Liverpool. Hamann was out, Garcia was out, while Baros was totally unfit (he probably won't even start tomorrow), plus Nunez isn't exactly flying fit either. At least three key players there. Name me three key Olympiacos players that didn't play? :rolleyes:
Everton are at full-strength tomorrow and playing well. With home advantage, if you don't beat Liverpool tomorrow, you'll never beat them.
Yeah, Neil Mellor is their customer of the year, 3 years in a row to boot. You have to hand it to the lad in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Americans are so gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
What a day lads!! Drinkfeckarse, 4tothefloor, Conor 74, Dolanswaistcoat, Kingdom and whoever else had the cheek to adorn my thread...... did ye enjoy that today?? Because I certainly did. :cool: What a victory. And it took that man Lee O' Carslaigh to hit the winner and once again to silence his many critics! If he continues in this vein form he could become European Player of the year :p !! Pool are in dire straights and cannot manage back to back wins for love nor money.
Only three points separates the Merseyside blue from the Jose's North London Blue at this stage. And the amazing thing is we could and probably should be top of the league had a bit of luck come our way back a few weeks ago. Everton played Spurs off the park at Goodison a few weeks back and still managed somehow to loose the game. Similarly they drew at home to Villa when really they should have won quite comfortably. I think it's a foregone conclusion at this stage that the above poll will work in my favour. I reckon a poll as to who will make the Champs League or who will the Premier league might prove more challenging. Actually I reckon Everton would probably top it too. :)
You can have your day in the sun Dillo. The outpouring of joy at the shack across Stanley Pk. spelt out how narrow minded Evertonians are. Granted, it was the biggest derby since Wembley 89', but you'd think you lot had won the title the way that victory was celebrated. It also shows the bitterness(respect even) the bluenoses have towards Liverpool and how much more of a progressive club Liverpool is on every level that you get such a massive kick out of one derby win. Oh yeah, and the massive kick I've just mentioned just about summarises in two words what Everton are all about at the moment. I kinda feel sorry for you lot at times and its nice to see you making strides, however temporary they may be ;)
I've the upmost respect for David Moyes and what he gets out of his limited squad, but Rafa's overhaul of Liverpool is only beginning and he's still the real deal as far I'm concerned. If he can shut our captain up from making silly statements and convince him of his beliefs for the club then Liverpool will continue to reign supreme on Merseyside. On that note, our own former Evertonian should be given consideration for the captaincy if SG doesn't cop on. A man who sits with the supporters on away trips when not playing (that being very rare), plays with an assuredness and passion of some of our former greats and gives everything to the cause with little fuss. Rafa even mentioned him in the same breath as his former rock Roberto Ayala. Not quite perhaps, but that'll do for me.
Back to today. Few poor decisions from El Boss, but I think today should have given him the wake up call he needs regarding Josemi and Diao. If it does, I might just about suffer one derby defeat in six years for the future good of the team.
Every dog has its day. And 11 of them had theirs today :cool:
You forgot to mention the poxy own goal that won you 3 points instead of 1 against Bolton.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillo
This is what you call bad luck, on top of a depressing injury list to boot.
Luis Garcia's perfectly good goal ruled out V Bolton away - cost us a point
Luis Garcia's perfectly good goal ruled out V Boro away - cost us at least a point
Muzzy Izzit's blatent hand ball on goal line V Birm home - cost us 3 points
Free kick which led to Silvistres 1st V Man U away - never a free - cost us a point
Free kick which led to Coles goal V Chelsea away - never a free - cost us a point
Nobby Solanos free kick last week - never a free - cost us 3 points
If\should are no good to you, it's what actually happens that counts. Everton are playing well at the moment, have no injuries, and have all the luck. It's no surprise at all that ye won today, especially against the team that Benitez put out. A major ****-up there on his part, he deserved all he got, and gets, for the team he picked. he lost the game for Liverpool before a ball was even kicked.
Having said that, it's Evertons first win over Liverpool in 5 years. It's their first win over Liverpool at goodison park since 1997. By the law of averages, ye were due one, so it's no big deal. If Liverpool fans were to come on here and gloat every year Liverpool beat Everton it would get tiresome. Enjoy the win, but ye will not finish above Liverpool this season, even after today. ;)
Ha ha ha! What did I tell you about Josemi?! Will you be changing that user-name now, after you've realised how amazingly S H I T he is?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JoeSemi
Does my user name spell Josemi or JoeSemi?! Its more a p!ss take at this stage which your slow to click! Enough about me and him anyway :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
We can curse our luck til the cows come home, but thats football. You can take a certain amount of injuries but Melwood has become a cast for Casualty at this stage. Whats got on my nads more is the sloppy goals we've conceded and the petulant acts from Gerrard, which are becoming all too frequent. Jerzy back in for Kirkland? I think its time the Pole was reinstated in our goal.
Reasons to be cheerful:
1) A manager who is on a par with the best. Reigned over the aristocrat tw*ts at Real with Valencia and is only beginning to stamp his own mark at Anfield.
2)A new stadium in the near future which Everton won't boast. Not with us anyway or for how many years thereafter...............
3)Two of the best young midfielders in Europe who Fergescum has made enquiries about. Thankfully he'll never get his filthy hands on either.
4)Two of the best young strikers in Europe........which two I don't know, but take your pick from 3. I won't get too greedy!
5)Finally, a Champions Lge fixture that Evertonians haven't experienced and probably never will....... :D
Everton are 12 points ahead of Liverpool as of now, with a game more played. Liverpool's game in hand is Tuesday night at home to Portsmouth. Considering their home form this season, Liverpool should win that one. That would be a 9 point gap, with a return game at Anfield to come. Liverpool will beat Everton at Anfield, so thats a realistic 6 point gap. There's no way in my opinion that Everton are good enough to sustain a 6 point gap over Liverpool from here till the end of the season. That's why i'm not worried, at all!
And that is relevant, how??? :confused:
Fair dues to everton for winning a very close game that could have gone either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillo
The first win for the blues in 10 attempts,bravo.If ye win another derby in the next 10 ye'll be doing well i'd say. :rolleyes: :D
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Originally Posted by Dillo
Fair play, every dog has it's day as they say ;)
Still think they are massively overachieving and the 'Pool underachieving.
Long way to go though ;)
Lads yer trying to be gracious in defeat but deep down it's hurting. Yer still licking yer wounds while we're still rubbing salt into them! :p Oh, I'm still on a high...... Rafa is still Beneathus and will still be on Christmas day.... the perfect Christmas present!
In his pre-match press conference he described Steven Gerard as the "best midfielder in the world"..... if that's the case why is he only playing for the second best team in Liverpool? :confused: :p On another note, it's quite obvious Rafa does not yet understand the nature of a Merseyside derby. Think he's learnt his lesson! ;)
Every dog has his day my ar$e. If that's the best ye can come up with it's a sad day. Once again our defence was flawless with David Weir and Alessandro Pistone outstanding. The tireless Zidane, sorry Kilbane tormented Josemi and for his hard work alone fully deserved his man-of-the-match award.
No matter what ye sad loosers say, Moyes men have quality. We are not in second place by chance. We are there on merit. And long may it continue!