He's never gonna leave the FAI.
People need to boycott Ireland games until he resigns.
Income from internationals is only thing the FAI cares about.
Unless someone organises this he'll still be here in ten years.
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He's never gonna leave the FAI.
People need to boycott Ireland games until he resigns.
Income from internationals is only thing the FAI cares about.
Unless someone organises this he'll still be here in ten years.
Another OG by John and the FAI - Come out denying it was him and threatening legal action if it is reported/not pulled - then 48hrs later admitting to it and apologising? I am past caring about what specific issue it is that brings about change in the FAI (all the legitimate areas of concern are ignored by mainstream media, FAI governance, politicians etc..) so if its something as daft as this, so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Was interesting I was listening to something on the radio related to some form political adviser to GordonQuote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Brown and he was making the point that is it is not usually the initial incident which gets you, rather the
attempted cover up.
However having said that I don't think the attempted cover up here will be his undoing, I don't think
he took it far enough. Had he persisted with the denial he could have dug a really big hole for himself,
however he seem to have avoided that dead end, or so he will hope.
Do the FAI normally pay out for their solicitors to work on behalf of their staff for matters arising in the staff members personal life?
Football fans in the North are struggling with this bit of the statement:
"and have worked tirelessly through my role at the Football Association of Ireland to strengthen links between communities on this island, north and south."
Anyone throw any light on this tireless work and give some examples of the strengthened links between communities?
Did he buy ye any cans?
No but one fan did think the cross community work he was referring to "Taking players born in Northern Ireland, who previously represented Northern Ireland youth teams into the fold?" ;)
Maybe we both dislike him? That's kind of unifying.
(Serious answer of course is nothing springs to mind)
Few thoughts on the whole debacle. It's been strange watching the swing the last couple of days of the moral high ground for want of a better expression. Obviously as fans we had it following the heavy handed response to the protest at the US game last week. This changed a bit last night with the utterly stupid posts having a pop at his bird, I appreciate it was only a few but they were up for far too long and was an og in terms of the YBIG reputation as our name was dragged through the mud in a lot of the media, especially the O'Brien press. However, Delaney has now scored and even more spectacular og by instructing his legal team to deny it was him, it's embarrassing behaviour and indicative of the arrogance of the man and has completely surrended the initiative despite him still trying to spin the cyber bullying angle every chance he gets in an utterly shameless manner. It was some comments on a message board, it wasn't her Facebook or Twitter account that people were posting on, however stupid it was.
As for the song, I've no issue with rebel songs and anyone who knows me can vouch for many I've sung on trips during the years. However, what I do have a problem with is the consistent oafish behaviour of a man who is pulling in a salary of nearly €400k while running the FAI as a personal fiefdom and overseing debacle after debacle whether that's with the LOI, schoolboy football, issue of tickets etc. A man in his position should not be filmed getting carried shoulder high off a train while full of ****, carried shoeless and shoulder high while full of **** or singing what is clearly a contentious song for someone who has to deal in their job with associations from the North and England, let alone the Scots. If he wants so badly to be one of the lads then fine, jack it in and let someone who can carry themselves with the decorum that the CEO of a major sporting organisation earning his salary should do. He should not be splashing his new relationship all over the media, making documentary's that Alan Partridge would probably reject or having gushing articles from that f**kwit Barry Egan all over the gossip pages in the Sindo. How ironic that it was Egan rabbitting on about that sing song in the Bath that encouraged Emmet Malone to push to get the story published. Fair dues to Emmet by the way, a good journo and has come across very well on the radio today. The Delaney statement is as hamfisted and embarrassing as I'd expect.
I can't see him being sacked over this though, people need to understand that John Delaney IS the FAI these days. He's surrounded himself with cronies and acolytes, all of whom earn their bread through his say so. The only way he's going over this is if he decides the heat has got too much and resigns. He's the same brass neck as his old lad, he didn't lick it off a stone. Now, if another story was to break then it might be a different story but I think he'll ride this out.
As for the usual halfwits on YBIG trying to defend his behaviour, the mind boggles but looking at the posters involved I shouldn't really be surprised.
Delaney doesn't realise he doesn't have to defend his choice of folk tunes and is all too worked up over how he's perceived in some plastic universe, but not where it matters, the football universe. Yet Delaney on an average day, ran rings around the IFA's finest. For years he represented the FAI on the eligibility issue with a restrained, informed and appropriate dignity, compared to the rabid ignorance, bigotry and downright condescension, emanating with bullhorn amplification from the IFA brethern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
I would have assumed that Delaney's reference to cross community work was ignoring all that overt IFA bigotry and ignorance and focussing on cooperation with the IFA with whatever they cooperate upon :)
LOI over (no club bankrupt), International team signs off on a win (despite the best efforts to cause a fuss), editors tell their hacks to find something to write about other than a 1 team league, and the FAI again deliver. Very depressing.
Well, we are the only cross-border all-island team. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Cans of worms, maybe... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Coverage of this on Newstalk from 32 minutes. Both journos raise a lot of questions: http://www.newstalk.com/player/liste...he_Ball_Part_1
I think this has mileage. This is different to other JD critical pieces.
Is the cyber trolling of his partner just a deflection / smokescreen?
It is totally moronic that anyone's family should be subjected to abuse.
Of course it is. Not that it's in any way justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Interesting comparison
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/foo...ier/357392.stm
I forgot the internet existed in 1999. Must have been the AOL days.
I'm not sure it's really valid at all to compare this situation with one in a culture where violent sectarianism has been endemic for decades. The difference in context between a rebel song being sung in a pub in south Dublin and a Rangers FC function in Glasgow or Northern Ireland is massive. Joe McDonnell isn't a sectarian song in itself, nor is the Sash, but in a specific context it is. And this isn't one.
What's the comparison? what are you alluding to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Just lets say the uncertainty is nothing to do with the song!
The whole episode is rather bizarre. I find myself asking, "Why this exactly, as opposed to the many other things over which he could (and should) have been hung out to dry?", but, if the singing of something that really in isolation shouldn't be that big of a deal proves to be his downfall, like others, I won't fret too much either. So be it.
I don't know why Delaney thinks it's his job to strengthen links between communities. Or why he feels a need to mention that in his statement even. That's not the issue here and nobody seriously thinks that's the issue; it's a side-show and a distraction. He's not a politician or a figure of social significance with some public mandate to enforce or help build peace; he's a football administrator (who happens to be in the public eye solely because that's exactly where he likes to put himself). I had to look up the name of the FA's CEO again on Google; I'd heard of Alex Horne before but if I'd been asked to place the name, I'd have struggled.
Wasn't Raymond Kennedy simultaneously head of the IFA and a member of the Orange Order? It might not have won too many nationalists over, but that was ultimately Kennedy's private business, and it shouldn't really have been of anyone else's concern, especially not those with no stake or genuine/tangible interest in the organisation, unless that membership was thought to have been impeding or detracting in some way from his professional duties. The same applies to John Delaney, although we should remember there is John Delaney the private citizen and John Delaney the CEO of the FAI. He can sing whatever songs he likes as a private citizen, but he can't really cry foul if his detractors jump all over it when he gives them a public opportunity to do so (i.e. singing a song directly after an Ireland game in a busy pub around the corner from Lansdowne Road that has the potential to brew up a storm amongst the serially offended).
Bad politics or ideals aren't his crime; his crime is simply downright bad judgment. Public relations is a big part of his role, but, time and time again, his clumsiness whilst representing the FAI (mainly in semi-formal/informal settings) has simply gifted the media columns upon columns of avoidable negativity over the last few years. This is just one calamity preceded by many. He repeatedly refers to singing the song only in very private fora; the Bath is a busy public house, isn't it, or was the video recorded during a private lock-in?... If somebody had encroached upon his private realm and had secretly recorded him singing potentially-contentious material, he'd have a case, but what on earth did he expect with strangers present in a public establishment in the age of video phones? He's been caught before in videos conducting himself less-than-professionally, so he should be more than savvy to it.
Is this his explanation for the initial denial before the latter apology?:
So, when the FAI lawyers contacted the Guardian/Balls.ie (and others?) on his behalf with threats, warnings and instructions for removal, it was all a misunderstanding (on the part of the lawyers?)? Is he trying to claim the denial was rooted in a genuine belief that a video on YouTube entitled 'John Delaney Singing Joe McDonnell By the Wolftones' was depicting someone else other than himself? Was he so ****ed, he temporarily forgot the moment?!Quote:
Originally Posted by John Delaney
And this...:
Is anyone seriously even suggesting that he's a militant republican or advocating the use of physical force? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by John Delaney
His calamitous denial and later apology have only made the situation worse for himself. Had he just ignored it and not given the story the time of day, it might well have just blown over. He's made an absolute meal of it now though and shot himself in the foot. Crying on Pat Kenny and everything, good lord!
The abuse of Emma English was cretinous, but a total smokescreen, without doubt. Poor St. John the Baptist... :rolleyes:
I always heard Delaney was the guy in the black mask at Bobby Sands funeral.
No doubt that anyone who sings "the night they drove ol' dixie down" is an apologist for the backwoods, red necked terrorists who fought for the continued right to have slavery in law, or Christy Moore, the nations most popular musician..... ever, "ah sure he does have a few shadows in his repertoire"Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
But we really should switch to Ireland's Call and ditch that sectarian republican abomination, the Soldiers Song.
No. Just no.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Ireland's Call is about as rousing as a puppy's yelp.
Would be great craic to see the IFA's reaction to the FAI instituting a song that calls for unity of the four provinces of Ireland.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Well I suppose he has linked both sets of fans with sectarian songs.
Does karaoke night at the local pub often end in tears, lads?
Apparently not until a few mornings later, after a getaway in "Marbs".Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Irony alert?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Are you cooking a turkey on Thursday, Charlie?
A turkey? What do you mean?
I thought you started celebrating Thanksgiving last year.
Incorrect, I don't eat meat my good man. Why else do you think I haven't given in to my hipster instincts and sampled Crackbird?
Anybody caught singing "Joe McDonnell" on a night out should be immediately cornered and asked to name the 10 Hunger Strikers who died.
When they fail (and they will fail) they should be put into a coal bag and launched into the nearest river. For the benefit of the gene pool you understand.
Why in the name of Allah would anyone want to sing that on a night out anyway. Maudlin rubbish. And why does Bobby Sands get a clap and none of the rest of them? They all equally starved themselves to death so PSF could power share in the north and Martin McGuinness could hob nob with the queen afterall.
Typical, cringeworthy, Paddywhackery. "ah shur those brave boys fought the evil Saxon foe, to be sure, to be sure. Fairplay to them, fairplay to them. Whos round is it anyway begorrah"
Rant over.
As for honest John??
What would you expect from a pig only a grunt.
A "controversey" that will have about as much impact on his gobdaw powerbase up and down the country as a fart in a hurricane.
Only saw the avatar on first viewing and was sure this was a post from your fellow died in the wool Limerick man Sean South.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
If Delaney genuinely thinks the video was recorded slyly during a completely private gathering in order to give the bizarre impression he is pro-violence (although nobody was putting words in his mouth), then he'd be the one who's been wronged, so why is he apologising if he believes that to be the case? What exactly is he apologising for if he's adamant he's the victim here?
Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Noooooooooooooooooo. I dont mind a song to represent both sides, but please can we get rid of that dirge!
Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
That Delaney would gladly see the Sash at Rangers SC event if it meant he'd get 5 more minutes in the limelight. But the money would have to be right. Our John has standards!
We found this little ditty useful as an aide-memoire back in the day:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim til I die
Sands made a stand
Hughes got the Blues
McCreesh made a speech
O'Hara went too far-a
McDonnell the new O'Connell
Hurson there in person
Lynch was a cinch
Doherty so naughty
McElwee running free
Devine serving time
EJ Gather Round, aged 19 1/4
Any accusations of apartheid were absurd, crass even, probably best ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
There's unlikely to be a highly-charged atmosphere at the England game- circumstances aren't really comparable with 1995.
Give the guy a break, he's given you an all-Ireland team (if helped out by the occasional Englishman or Scot)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Parker
Indeed. Irish paramilitarism, it's much more of a problem in Glasgow. At least that Rangers guy could sing, he's a spit of the bloke who fronted 70s hitmakers Mungo Jerry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I doubt the IFA have a problem with you finding some good players in Monaghan, although giving them a club to play for might be a start.
BTW the new UKIP MP Mark Reckless thinks people from the Irish Republic aren't immigrants in Britain. Prob as his Ma's from Sligo and her Da was a FF TD.