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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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Centre half hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Don't get me wrong. Far be it from calling Keogh a terrible player - and I may have said something similar to that effect when I first commented on him - but I have seen nothing that makes him stand out from the likes of McCarthy, St Ledger, O'Dea, Duffy or Pearce. His performance against Serbia showed that there may be work to do to get him acclimatised to a higher standard. Almost 28, another season in the Championship and players like Duffy, Gunning, Pearce and other fringe centre halves et al. having time on their side - I'm not sure Keogh has that. It's a big step up playing Germany, Poland and even Scotland in pressure cooker games similar to the one he played in today. Frankly, I would be bricking it if he did play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I bet anything it really is either Sean St Ledger or Crosby's second account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
One thing that obviously stands out is his ability to pass the ball, which nobody you mentioned with the possible exception of Duffy has. Like I said, I'm not touting him for a spot but I think he has the ability to make it there.
Sammon swam over to console keogh but he was inconsolable. I mean walked over.
Just read the match report on the Guardian. Couple of comments below it from Derby fans (presumably) that caught my eye:
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Chin up Keogh, you have been immense all season.
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If anything we had too much possession but really feel for Keogh who doesn't deserve to be the fall guy.
"Once again Richard Keogh has caused another goal against, hes got away with it all season with his nervous style off play because of a superb team around him; now for all his good points its caught up with him big time."
"I do like Keogh but I would sign a new CB next season to play alongside Bucko. Keogh is sometimes prone to mistakes.
Feel sorry for him today though."
A couple of negative comments I seen too. At the end of the day, you can only judge what's put in front of you.
My sister works in the area so I know all about local pride, the passion and the way they support their club.
They won't get on Keogh's back.
Leyton Orient v Rotherham about to start in League One. Mooney starts for Orient, Frecklington for Rotherham.
Orient 2-0 up going into half time. Mooney was quiet for the first half hour or so as he was isolated out on the left, but since moving inside he's been involved a lot more and held the ball up well for the second goal.
What a game! 2-2 now. Alex Ravell with a ridiculous volley from 40 yards.
Orient leading 2-1 on pens (2 taken)
3-2 after 3
Rotherham won 4-3 on penos
That is a bit of a ****er. Can't fathom why they took off Mooney halfway through extra time - he was still everywhere, winning headers and he's a great penalty taker.
Though the penalties Leyton missed were poor. Short runs up, little power.
Wait, you guys have a five-page thread for fringe Ireland players in the lower-league play-offs? THAT. IS. ADORABLE.
Hey everybody, Sheridan's here.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Sheridan! Your mummy wants you!
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Pretty much 95%-100% of Derby fans on their forums have been very appreciative and supportive of Keogh and want him to continue as captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
I'd fancy their chances of getting promoted next season.
I wouldn't take notice of the other 5%, it's probably just the doc doing his rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
A lot of Irish player have spent time playing in the lower leagues and only 'hit the big time' late on in their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
League One is the new Championship.
Pretty much 95%-100% of Brighton fans are appreciative and supportive of Stephen Ward. Does that make him International class?
Keogh didn't just make one mistake. Footballers are human and anyone can lose their concentration over 90 minutes. He lost the ball to Doyle in his own box, he was culpable for the other good chance QPR got just before Doyle went off, he gave away a silly free kick in a dangerous position in the first-half and then there was the goal....
International football is a different level and if he were to make similar mistakes in matches against Georgia or Scotland, then we wouldn't have as many points to play for - as many games to reciprocate - as Derby do in a season.
I agree, and even Dunne's heroic performance isn't a guarantee he'd still cut it against teams moving the ball on the deck slickly and against forwards with skill and real pace. Both Keogh and Dunne gobble up aerial balls all day long, as does Delaney.
Except on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Next game is on a Saturday.
Crying like a child who'd just been grounded during the summer holidays. John Giles blames Gazza for it all though not sure if he passed a remark on this occasion. I wonder why....LOL.
Why?...
Somewhat prophetic words from Steve McClaren after the Watford game when you think about it.
You still haven't seen fit to furnish us with what exactly those words were.
"For the second game in a row we've been sloppy," he said. "Poor defending, giving the ball away and it nearly cost us again. If we do that in the play-offs, there's no chance we'll go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
"Credit to the players, they keep getting themselves out of a hole and getting the results but in terms of the way forward we certainly need to tighten up in a few areas.
"We scored four but we're not ruthless enough in that and it's ruthlessness at both ends that we need. If we make those kind of mistakes in the play-offs it will make our job very difficult.
And which part of those comments singled out a particular defender?
So predictable....Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Charlie, my original comment didn't single out any particular defender!
Edit: I love how the same logic never applies to McShane or O'Dea btw.
Not your comment just now but when you originally brought up those comments a couple of weeks back you said it was specifically critical of Keogh.
It was pretty standard stuff from McClaren, trying to keep standards high and avoid complacency during a good run. He has said loads of times how Derby are always going to suffer a bit defensively with their gung-ho approach and that Keogh and Buxton have been terrific for him. TOWK just jumped on what he saw as a minor opening for criticism.
We could go on all day arguing about this.
McShane, Ward and O'Dea are always praised by their club managers too - Pearce and Duffy too - yet it's open season on (3 of) them. There is always a retort for a lad who I criticise. Source? No problem. "Wasn't talking specifically about him though". Maybe just a little bit of double standards involved on mine and everybody's part. :p
Let's just see what actually happens on the pitch tonight/tomorrow.
...while you're there desperate for Keogh to slip up.
Are you saying you're only hard on Keogh because others are hard on O'Dea, Ward and McShane?
I'm not desperate for the lad to slip up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Maybe on some subconscious level but it mainly just amuses me how O'Dea, Ward, McShane, Andy Keogh and Sammon have no redeemable features whatsoever according to some people yet I'm supposedly being overly hard on this chap.
Sure using their logic, over half of the mistakes Ward makes could be blamed on the defence in general.
I think you're being paranoid. Those players have all come in for criticism but at the same time many have defended them from anything OTT.
Two differences though: each of the others has played multiple times for Ireland so have been allowed the luxury of time before having judgment passed. Keogh has played, what, twice? And yet you're on his case.
You criticise Keogh so frequently and even just for innocuous things he says. It's got to the point where it lacks any objectivity and just comes across as a vendetta. You've destroyed your own argument.
You judge people by tough standards. Murphy gets injured but is deemed lazy and flaky. Keogh is desperate to be involved but is deemed cringeworthy.
In my experience it's the other way around. Any mistake made by the defence is usually blamed on Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks