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14/04/2013, 11:30 AM
marty

Ive heard the budget in Cork is 5k?? Not too sure if its true but if so then hes not doing too bad,Cobh had a simular budget when winning the first division.In the past when Cork have been doing well on the pitch their finances have took a tumble off it-if Foras are to bring some stability to the club they need to keep doing what their doing now.I would hope for the future of the club they have some long term plan in place to maybe purchase even a training ground to give the club something to build on,At the moment its looking like Limerick will take them over as a club...
14/04/2013, 12:08 PM
wonder88

Cork are right to keep within their means when deciding on their playing budget, and Sligo and Shamrock R could well be playing a dangerous game operating with the wage bills they have these days. One thing you should always look for in a manager when you are operating within a tight budget is that he can unearth a player now and again who has been overlooked by the big spenders or re-invigorate a talented player who has lost his way. Maybe I am unfair to T Dunne but has he done this?
14/04/2013, 1:21 PM
Only1Rovers

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Originally Posted by wonder88

Cork are right to keep within their means when deciding on their playing budget, and Sligo and Shamrock R could well be playing a dangerous game operating with the wage bills they have these days. One thing you should always look for in a manager when you are operating within a tight budget is that he can unearth a player now and again who has been overlooked by the big spenders or re-invigorate a talented player who has lost his way. Maybe I am unfair to T Dunne but has he done this?

What is Sligo Rovers' budget?
14/04/2013, 2:14 PM
adamd164

I certainly wouldn't begrudge Sligo success; they've waited long enough for it, it's a proper footballing town, and if the shoe was on the other foot I'd not be complaining about the budget size.

The issue here for me is that I don't think Dunne has made the best of our own budget. Our squad is littered with mediocre players that he signed. Our tactics are horribly negative, even when playing against the likes of UCD. Even yesterday, I know Sligo are a great LOI side, but we're hardly so far down the pecking order that we should be essentially accepting defeat with the "we'll give it a lash" attitude that he came out with. Our style makes for awful viewing at our home games and when the public watch us on TV, like yesterday. It reduces gates, dampens out positivity and ultimately leads to further culling of the budget as a result.

I know there are a few Limerick fans on here fishing for a reaction - it may shock you to learn that I and I'm sure most other Cork fans would like to see Limerick do well actually, it would be a very healthy thing for there to be a rivalry built up there. And given that we are still above you in the table I think the talk of a 'power shift' in Munster is a bit OTT, no?
14/04/2013, 2:45 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by adamd164

And given that we are still above you in the table I think the talk of a 'power shift' in Munster is a bit OTT, no?

Depends on your outlook.

Tis some of the Cork fans brought it up with the talk about Tommy Dunne being poor.

You seem to have a negative outlook for Cork going forward whereas I think most Limerick fans would be cautiously optimistic about Taylor.

I was saying it back in March FORAS' biggest job this season was to try manage expectations, the talk of Europe was fanciful, best case scenario stuff for anyone who actually sat back and looked at your squad but typical of what you get coming out of some sections in Cork.

Like (call me a biased lunatic) but I look at Limericks squad and I look at Corks squad and I don't see where Cork are much better??

And no one but no one in Limerick would have been seriously talking us up for Europe.

I'm just not sure what you all expect given the resources available??

Someone above said a manager with a constrained budget should get the most out of players/unearth a few gems.

Well in fairness Daryl Horgan was plucked out of nowhere, two of your three man midfield are young lads that cost nothing that he's brought on, Mark McNulty has moved from laughing stock to just below average, lot of young local lads knocking around your squad, it should give a hint about the budget.

Lot of giving out about Behan as well. He's on peanuts and he works like a dog. Denis Behan money wouldn't have gotten you any better from up the country.

All the talk of only playing one up top isn't here no there these days either. Sligo only play one up top. So do Limerick. So do most clubs.

What Cork are lacking (like Limerick) is a genuine penetrative man from midfield to support the one.

Cork are also lacking a goalkeeper, a winger and a centre half.

But mainly they're lacking money.

Like don't get me wrong I don't particularly rate Tommy Dunne, I wouldn't have him near Limerick, but what's the alternative for a fan ran, financially pinched club??

You look at what he has done, with what he has available and (if you're being realistic) you kinda just have to say fair enough.

EDIT: Just looked at the table, win your game in hand against Bray and you're in fourth! Could pox Europe afterall! What exactly do you people want?!
14/04/2013, 3:39 PM
nigel-harps1954

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Originally Posted by marty

Ive heard the budget in Cork is 5k??

Not an absolute hope in hell. I know of one player on a fifth of that alone.
14/04/2013, 3:49 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by marty

Ive heard the budget in Cork is 5k?? Not too sure if its true but if so then hes not doing too bad

Their gate receipts alone must be double that.
14/04/2013, 5:06 PM
SkStu

It seems to me that Cork fans are underestimating this Sligo team and using it as a stick to beat Dunne. From what I've seen, this Sligo team is the best since the Bohs 2008 team and if they keep going as they are they could surpass them. Cork are doing just fine and just need to keep progressing as they are. However, Limerick are the great story this season. Fantastic to have a strongly backed, competitive Limerick team in the top tier and long may it continue.

WRT budget, I would wager that both Sligo and Shams are in and around the €1m mark which, although risky, is far, far less than the €1.7m that Bohs spent only a few years ago. The balance has been restored a bit with clubs wising up and players waking up to reality.
14/04/2013, 6:24 PM
Fivesilver

I thought Cork were at least as good as I'd expected them to be at this stage. Bossed possession for periods and occasionally got on top in midfield, just lacked penetration. "Showing less respect" and "really going for it", as Eoin Hand suggested, might have meant getting riddled on the break - anyone who's seen us this season can tell you one of our best attacking scenarios is opposition corners.

Stability is crucial. We had a good few years consolidating. Seanie 'Out of Africa' Connor comfortably outspent the rest of Division 1 to get us out of there, and Cookie threw a strop or two that meant the club going cap-in-hand to the fans. But Baraclough is a pretty shrewd operator. He made it clear in the off-season that no one was irreplaceable and also told players that if they dawdled too long there would be someone else in their seat. There are plenty of guesses about our budget - the fact is none of us on this forum know - but it would make sense to believe that Baraclough is getting value for money out of any player he decided was worth keeping.

The fact that there was a league title in Cork in recent memory probably makes it hard to be patient, but another fact is that in my lifetime around half a dozen League of Ireland clubs have - for various reasons - gone out of existence in the city. Defying that mortality rate should be at least as important as stuffing the trophy cabinet in a hurry.
14/04/2013, 7:04 PM
dong

There will always be a club in Cork.
May as well push the boat out now.
14/04/2013, 8:34 PM
Martinho II

is it just me I didnt hear any result from the Limerick game last nite??
14/04/2013, 8:38 PM
PartySaint

I think Cork fans are being a bit harsh on their team. I think they play some nice football but are just lacking in one or two areas, not the end of the world. Dunne has done a good job in getting them promoted and then stabilising them in the premier. In saying that though, I was saying during the match that this will be his last season in charge, Cork are the best supported team in the country and should be challenging for the league every season.

Sligo are a good side but not on the same level as that Bohs 08 team IMO
14/04/2013, 9:02 PM
marty

I work with a few City fans and thats the budget been passed around,it may be true someone knows of someone on a fifth of that but there are players there playing for close to nothing,it was up to him to spread the clubs wages,even the likes of Dan Murray now has his first full time job and that comes ahead of football! As for gates of about 2k,well average that at 10 euro in and you have 20k every two weeks.Rent of turners cross and Dunnes wages coupled with travel expenses and Cork dont have a lot to play around with....Sponsers like Nissan have vanished and now some black pudding company drapes the jersey--maybe Foras see it as a sustainable business model it should be and not what some saw it in the past.Id give Dunne until the end of this season anyhow but I doubt there would be a line form for the job.
14/04/2013, 10:08 PM
Dalymountrower

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

is it just me I didnt hear any result from the Limerick game last nite??

Leinster won.
15/04/2013, 5:08 AM
Candystripe

Have to agree about what most are writing about Cork. They are a decent team and will probably finish between 4th and 6th and with a small budget thats pretty good.

Sligo will probably walk the league unless they get an injury crisis.

As a Derry fan I'm just delighted with how we're playing and scoring for fun but Dundalk could have been 2/3 up against us at half time and only for a stupid foul on Rafter for the penalty it could have been so different.

As for no one giving Sligo a game so far,I beg to differ,I thought they were lucky to beat us in the first game of the season,I reckon it came to early for us but still think their so much stronger than the rest of the teams.

Top 3 for Derry would make me happy but hey I'm starting to dream and if we can get a nice result on Fri v Sham rvrs then you just never know!
15/04/2013, 9:35 AM
KK77

Some result for Rovers on Friday night. Embarrassing for the opposition. One of the worst sides in the LOI in a long, long time.
15/04/2013, 9:40 AM
Town Legend

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

is it just me I didnt hear any result from the Limerick game last nite??

Playing Bohs tomorrow Marty.
15/04/2013, 10:22 AM
poster

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Originally Posted by KK77

Some result for Rovers on Friday night. Embarrassing for the opposition. One of the worst sides in the LOI in a long, long time.

Ah yer not that bad. Croly will get ye top 4.
15/04/2013, 11:10 AM
sadloserkid

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Originally Posted by KK77

One of the worst sides in the LOI in a long, long time.

Galway United's horrendous year not that long ago surely?
15/04/2013, 1:30 PM
redobit

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Originally Posted by Candystripe

Have to agree about what most are writing about Cork. They are a decent team and will probably finish between 4th and 6th and with a small budget thats pretty good.

Sligo will probably walk the league unless they get an injury crisis.

As a Derry fan I'm just delighted with how we're playing and scoring for fun but Dundalk could have been 2/3 up against us at half time and only for a stupid foul on Rafter for the penalty it could have been so different.

As for no one giving Sligo a game so far,I beg to differ,I thought they were lucky to beat us in the first game of the season,I reckon it came to early for us but still think their so much stronger than the rest of the teams.

Top 3 for Derry would make me happy but hey I'm starting to dream and if we can get a nice result on Fri v Sham rvrs then you just never know!

That's the thing. North, Ventre, Peers, Ndo, Davoren and Conneely are out or just coming back. Here's a stat that bodes well for us: Last season we won 17 out of 31 games to clinch the title. This season we are nearly half way to 17 wins and the first series of games still has 3 games left.
15/04/2013, 1:49 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Galway United's horrendous year not that long ago surely?

The team on the end of the defeat don't have the problems Galway had imo.

Changes should have been made a long time ago but alas nothing was done. You simply can't teach an old dog new tricks!
15/04/2013, 1:50 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by poster

Ah yer not that bad. Croly will get ye top 4.

If only he was the manager!
15/04/2013, 2:42 PM
Fivesilver

I know he doesn't give much of an impression of being in charge but it's a bit unfair to disown him straight after he got his first win in ages.
15/04/2013, 2:45 PM
Charlie Darwin

I thought Cork looked good on Saturday. If Kavanagh hadn't have butchered a certain goal at the start of the second half, I'd have fancied them to go on and win it. They were light years ahead of the side that came to Tallaght and really offered nothing outside of a scrappy goal.
15/04/2013, 8:05 PM
Trainee

Pats 3 up against shels tonight

Live score said it was 4 but changed it to 3 nil
15/04/2013, 8:33 PM
Dalymountrower

4-0. Difficult to see where Shels will get another point before the end of the first series of games
15/04/2013, 8:50 PM
nigel-harps1954

BREAKING NEWS: Shelbourne finish the game with 11 men.
15/04/2013, 9:08 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

BREAKING NEWS: Shelbourne finish the game with 11 men.

It's the little things.

Onwards and upwards.
15/04/2013, 10:02 PM
KUFCMan

Shels keeper Ger Hanley poor for 2 of the goals,the rest of the team a bunch of ordinary players imo.Pats had another 2 goals disallowed in the 2nd half as they turned the screw!
15/04/2013, 10:04 PM
oriel

What's the general opinion of shels fans now, assume you would like Matthews out, and soon, but who would come in?

Any former players available, sometimes not a bad shout to lift morale a bit, what about former managers, I can't see Keely going back again. Pete Mahon?

The problem is,until this is sorted its going to become just an easy 3 points for whoever you play.
15/04/2013, 10:15 PM
Jofspring

The problem for any new manager coming in to Shels is they have a poor enough team assembled as much as a manager having them underperforming. It would be a tough job to take over at this stage. In saying that any results that are better than the current ones would probably be considered a good start for him.
15/04/2013, 10:20 PM
nigel-harps1954

So, why did Shels change keeper for the night? I thought young Burdon was one of the few shining lights in an otherwise shocking start to the season?
15/04/2013, 10:36 PM
pineapple stu

Ha! We're off the bottom with that result.

Wow.
15/04/2013, 11:09 PM
PartySaint

Shels.....HA!
15/04/2013, 11:20 PM
wonder88

Hanley was in goal for Shels on friday v Drogheda. It was my first time to see them this year and I thought their captain (Cassidy?) was decent enough player and Philly Hughes, Brennan and Dean Kelly showed glimpes of ability upfront so I would still give them a chance of avoiding relegation. People need to remember that there are two other bad Dublin/Wicklow clubs in the premier divison this year. Hope to go down to Limerick and see how Thomond is working as a soccer ground tomorrow.
15/04/2013, 11:31 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

So, why did Shels change keeper for the night? I thought young Burdon was one of the few shining lights in an otherwise shocking start to the season?

Groin injury according to his twitter: https://twitter.com/Niiaalll
15/04/2013, 11:34 PM
nigel-harps1954

Makes sense. Hanley is a very good goalkeeper, but I do feel it's too soon yet for him to play Premier Division football. Another year or two in the First Division would have done him the world of good.
16/04/2013, 8:56 AM
Pablo Escobar

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Originally Posted by wonder88

Hanley was in goal for Shels on friday v Drogheda. It was my first time to see them this year and I thought their captain (Cassidy?) was decent enough player and Philly Hughes, Brennan and Dean Kelly showed glimpes of ability upfront so I would still give them a chance of avoiding relegation. People need to remember that there are two other bad Dublin/Wicklow clubs in the premier divison this year. Hope to go down to Limerick and see how Thomond is working as a soccer ground tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure Cassidy would have been playing for Drogheda.
16/04/2013, 9:48 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Makes sense. Hanley is a very good goalkeeper, but I do feel it's too soon yet for him to play Premier Division football. Another year or two in the First Division would have done him the world of good.

He's 22 now. Still young enough for a keeper but Burdon is 19 and no one is suggesting he play in the first division

2 very poor errors for Forrester's 1st & 3rd goals
16/04/2013, 11:07 AM
Town Legend

Didn't Burdon playing with Rennes youth team in France? He would of got plenty of good experience from top class French coaches I'm sure. Could be wrong though.

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