Noe Baba

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Originally Posted by johnnyc

I was reminded of Baba last night when watching The Football League show on BBC. They did a bit on Zaha and the whole will he opt for England or Ivory Coast debate. The clip of that tool Mark Clement putting pressure on a seemingly humble and reserved character like Zaha to commit his future to England in front of a live audience was highly inappropriate and made for uncomfortable viewing.

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Isn't there a thread for this type of discussion? ;)

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Isn't there a thread for this type of discussion? ;)

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According to you, this one.

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Originally Posted by johnnyc

I was reminded of Baba last night when watching The Football League show on BBC. They did a bit on Zaha and the whole will he opt for England or Ivory Coast debate. The clip of that tool Mark Clement putting pressure on a seemingly humble and reserved character like Zaha to commit his future to England in front of a live audience was highly inappropriate and made for uncomfortable viewing.

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Exactly - we could do with a few interviewers like that.

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Originally Posted by johnnyc

According to you, this one.

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I see you've relaxed your definition then... :)

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I see you've relaxed your definition then... :)

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No, but feel free to private message me any further insight you might have. We should really only post Baba related stuff in here from now on. Good lad.

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Exactly - we could do with a few interviewers like that.

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why? the last thing we need are questions that alienate players.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

why? the last thing we need are questions that alienate players.

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Think it may have been a reference to TOD's Trap out line of questioning. Maybe.

Not a bad club for Noe to be heading to for now but I worry abit about Fulham despite their good form this season. The EPL is likely to introduce Financial fair Play / financial break-even type rules soon. Fulham are one of the only clubs resisting, because they know that having to break-even financially would hit their performance hard and maybe even relegate them.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

why? the last thing we need are questions that alienate players.

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Actually I was joking.

Even so a bit of passion from the management would not go amiss s it would:

a) show we care and
b) remind me of Jack getting McAteer up against the wall by his throat and securing his commitment to play for us.

His Wiki page is in danger of being deleted.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

His Wiki page is in danger of being deleted.

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that's the real tragedy here

Besides the debate on his relative eligibility, this thread is rubbish!

Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

His Wiki page is in danger of being deleted.

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He doesn't satisfy the site's notability criteria.

he didnt get a game for fulham under 18s testerday against the pool. One of the other centre halves that played is irish o Reilly. O halloren came on as a sub for fulham under 17 player for us wide man but played up top yesterday.

Dan cleary was sub for pool who is a right full or centre half but very tidy footballer and no sign of o hanlon. I know o hanlon has had a lot of expectation but when u look at the players he is up against to play wide for the pool under 18s you have Ibe who is maybe 6 months older played for wycombe first team as a 15 year old and cost pool at least 1million and ojo who is a year younger and cost 2 million from mk dons both of whom are physically miles ahead of o hanlon and are beasts of men for their age.

English academies spend so much money on buying players the pool had at least 5 players yesterday in there under 18s that they bought in from other clubs prob costing 3 or 4 million in total. Even fulham had 2 or 3 european players in there under 18s and a striker they bought from mk dons who was youngest player to score in fa cup when he played for the dons first team last year! Life is not easy in premier league academies

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

he didnt get a game for fulham under 18s testerday against the pool. One of the other centre halves that played is irish o Reilly. O halloren came on as a sub for fulham under 17 player for us wide man but played up top yesterday.

Dan cleary was sub for pool who is a right full or centre half but very tidy footballer and no sign of o hanlon. I know o hanlon has had a lot of expectation but when u look at the players he is up against to play wide for the pool under 18s you have Ibe who is maybe 6 months older played for wycombe first team as a 15 year old and cost pool at least 1million and ojo who is a year younger and cost 2 million from mk dons both of whom are physically miles ahead of o hanlon and are beasts of men for their age.

English academies spend so much money on buying players the pool had at least 5 players yesterday in there under 18s that they bought in from other clubs prob costing 3 or 4 million in total. Even fulham had 2 or 3 european players in there under 18s and a striker they bought from mk dons who was youngest player to score in fa cup when he played for the dons first team last year! Life is not easy in premier league academies

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Thanks for that liamoo11. I was looking for information on O'Hanlon and Cleary to see how they've been doing and came across the article below. As you say, the competition at top clubs is immense. Cleary seems to be doing well which is good to hear. I know there was a huge amount of talk of O'Hanlon and Jack Byrne of Man City which was apparently very justified from what I've heard of them talent wise, but it is a major burden for lads of that age to be spoken of so highly. In fairness, O'Hanlon would still be a u16 or u17 player, so maybe we shouldn't be too disappointed he isn't a regular for the Liverpool u18s.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2012/10...der-18s-squad/

He not moving over till January!

I was going to say that. It's a bit harsh to be criticising him for not breaking into the U18s when he's not even eligible for two more months.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I was going to say that. It's a bit harsh to be criticising him for not breaking into the U18s when he's not even eligible for two more months.

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Still - why hasn't Trap gone to see him not play?

He has produced some interesting artwork.
http://www.noebaba.com/works.html

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I was going to say that. It's a bit harsh to be criticising him for not breaking into the U18s when he's not even eligible for two more months.

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No critisism here good sir simply stating a fact that he did not play for fulham on saturday and a bit of a comment on those who did play. Best of luck when he does move

Baba will be out of action for 8 weeks with an ankle injury, according to a Castlebar poster on YBIG. Allegedly, he's also suffered concussion twice in training since his move to Fulham. Tough start for the lad.

Some more info on him here: http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/...&ICID=HP_BN_15

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Originally Posted by Goal.com

Fulham have completed the signing of Cameroon-born wonderkid Noe Baba, Goal.com can reveal.

The 16-year-old prodigy has signed for the Craven Cottage club, who are waiting for international clearance from Fifa before formally announcing the deal.

Goal.com revealed in November that Baba had agreed terms on a move to west London after they had beaten a host of clubs, including Manchester United, in the race for the youngster.

Fulham have paid Castlebar Celtic in County Mayo a fee of €160,000 (£129,000) to secure Baba, who passed a medical in November and has linked up with the club’s development squad at Motspur Park.

He is Fulham’s second signing this month following 19-year-old central midfielder Chris David, who has joined from FC Twente, although neither is expected to be a serious first-team contender.

Baba was born in Cameroon but moved to Ireland with his family when he was a boy and became the first African player to captain an Irish age-group team when he led the Under-17s.

The teenager, who turned 16 last August, has progressed rapidly through the ranks and was drafted into the Republic of Ireland Under-19 squad in October, making three full appearances for Paul Doolin’s side.

He is highly regarded on both sides of the Irish Sea for his versatility and aptitude. Baba has been frequently used at centre-half but is expected to eventually be deployed as a full-back or midfield anchorman.

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Originally Posted by Peter Staunton of Goal.com Ireland

In our shared hometown of Castlebar, Noe is widely considered to be the best prospect ever to come through the ranks at the town's main football team, Celtic. He consistently excelled during his time with the club, often an age group or two ahead of his time. He first appeared in the Under-12s and rose rapidly through the county and international ranks.

Most recently, he represented Ireland's Under-19s - a remarkable achievement for a player featuring at a club a long way from the centre of Irish football, Dublin, and Britain, where the majority of his colleagues played. Noe has won plenty of admirers due to his voracious appetite for learning, both on the field and off, and has put a lot of thought into his future. Clubs have been tracking him for the last three or four years but he and his family have bided their time in order to wait for the opportunity which makes most sense.

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are people who might be in the know confident that Noe will stick with us? I certainly hope so as he sounds like the real deal.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

are people who might be in the know confident that Noe will stick with us? I certainly hope so as he sounds like the real deal.

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Last line
http://www.castlebar.ie/education/st...e07/page4.html

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Last line
http://www.castlebar.ie/education/st...e07/page4.html

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"He got out and delivered the rest of the presents and went back to the North Pole very pleased with himself."

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Well, It's obvious now.

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Last line
http://www.castlebar.ie/education/st...e07/page4.html

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well he was 11 at the time of stating that, is 16 now and has moved - probably permanently - to another country. I wouldnt hold him at the age of 21 after 5 years in London to the sentiments expressed as an 11 year old in Castlebar. It will be brilliant if he does stick with us though.

Funny stuff Bonnie. :)

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Originally Posted by SkStu

are people who might be in the know confident that Noe will stick with us? I certainly hope so as he sounds like the real deal.

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Cameroon doesn't permit dual citizenship, so it's safe to assume that if he's an Irish citizen at present, then he isn't eligible to play for Cameroon at least.

Cap him Trap! Even if he has 2 Concussions and a broken ankle. Drag him out there on a stretcher we need someone with speed.

And Danny all due respect but on a continent as corrupt as Africa, do you not think that Cameroon, in a pinch, would not work things out dual citizen ship rule or not?

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Originally Posted by SkStu

well he was 11 at the time of stating that, is 16 now and has moved - probably permanently - to another country. I wouldnt hold him at the age of 21 after 5 years in London to the sentiments expressed as an 11 year old in Castlebar. It will be brilliant if he does stick with us though.

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I would assume his bond would grow stronger with age, though I suppose his bond with Cameroon could increase by virtue of being away from it (same way as often times expats/first generation sometimes work extra hard to feel connected to their/their parents' homeland). Also, the Cameroon set up is a joke...makes the FAI look like a model of stability and efficiency.

Cameroon didn't qualify for the AFCON after being beaten by Cape Verde Islands.

They lost to Cape Verde? Yikes.
Am I crazy or did Cameroon not have a decent showing at a somewhat recent WC?

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Cameroon doesn't permit dual citizenship, so it's safe to assume that if he's an Irish citizen at present, then he isn't eligible to play for Cameroon at least.

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Fair point. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

I would assume his bond would grow stronger with age, though I suppose his bond with Cameroon could increase by virtue of being away from it (same way as often times expats/first generation sometimes work extra hard to feel connected to their/their parents' homeland). Also, the Cameroon set up is a joke...makes the FAI look like a model of stability and efficiency.

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I guess my point is that the bond wouldn't necessarily grow if he's no longer there. In fact, it might lessen?

I'm getting way too far ahead of myself anyway. He's young but has potential and hes ours and that's all that matters. :)

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

They lost to Cape Verde? Yikes.
Am I crazy or did Cameroon not have a decent showing at a somewhat recent WC?

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They lost all three of their games in 2010.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Cameroon didn't qualify for the AFCON after being beaten by Cape Verde Islands.

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That's just the tip of the iceberg. They have had multitudes of problems extending back much farther than that. FA's all over the world have many issues, but I've noticed Cameroon and DR Congo -- both of whom should be consistently near the top of Africa -- seem to have more than most and oftentimes their players don't want to play for them.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

well he was 11 at the time of stating that, is 16 now and has moved - probably permanently - to another country. I wouldnt hold him at the age of 21 after 5 years in London to the sentiments expressed as an 11 year old in Castlebar. It will be brilliant if he does stick with us though.

Funny stuff Bonnie. :)

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What I want to know is, is he Cameroonian, or is he Irish, or is he Cameroonian-Urish or Irish Cameroonian?!

Am I the only one who worries about lads like noe and other africans or non celtic-skin Irish lads going to school and generally growing up outside of the big schmoke. I think I only have this because of growing up outside the big schomoke and what some of the other country folk are like. Having said that if there is a class of racism, the country lads wouldn't be vindictive whereas what I've found in the capital its more resentful and vindictive.

so you're worried about lads growing up outside Dublin, because they won't be exposed to racism, which would happen if they were in Dublin?

No, I'm just worried about racism :D

I suppose, I didn't encounter -racism, but when I did, it was more nasty* is what I'm trying to say- it very often in Dublin. But I did encounter (a form of) "casual" racism a lot more in the country.

Again, before someone jumps in on a needless solo run, Racism is racism, but there are different forms.

Whut?

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

What I want to know is, is he Cameroonian, or is he Irish, or is he Cameroonian-Urish or Irish Cameroonian?!

Am I the only one who worries about lads like noe and other africans or non celtic-skin Irish lads going to school and generally growing up outside of the big schmoke. I think I only have this because of growing up outside the big schomoke and what some of the other country folk are like. Having said that if there is a class of racism, the country lads wouldn't be vindictive whereas what I've found in the capital its more resentful and vindictive.

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As long as he keeps delivering presents on time he'll always be welcome in the North Pole.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

As long as he keeps delivering presents on time he'll always be welcome in the North Pole.

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Exactly. Ankle injury or not.

It'll show his dedication to the Claus.

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

It'll show his dedication to the Claus.

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Get your coat! :mad:
http://www.swankpets.com/images/SantaOutfit.jpg