Glens win in Europe

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Originally Posted by liam88

You'tr tuining your own argumant here with a stupid comment-the Republic of Ireland is NOT part of the yoo-kay; simple as that :D

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I think my original comment went right over your head, liam :)

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Originally Posted by ballyhenryglens

i find it strange that we should suddenly be having a debate on the british/irish culture-in a football related thread loosely based on the glens displays in europe!!
from the minute sensitive issues such as 'an all ireland league' or 'an all ireland team', was brought into this thread we all knew that sooner or later we were all going to get 'political'.-----i suppose some people are interested to see what way 'northern' lads react when contencious issues are brought up.--i would be the 1st to agree that 'northern ireland' is a complex issue-and indeed very interesting to debate-but unfortunatly what happens is comments start flying from both sides in a debate which is never from the off set for the 'feint hearted'--then before we know it, all hell breaks loose, and the moderator is struggling to control the situation.

i enjoy 'political' debate.---i would perhaps not be classed as one of the more moderate glenmen, and some of my views on ulster might have a few lads here foaming at the mouth!!

but i am not going to reveal them on a 'football' related thread.----i think it more appropriate that for such debates to be discussed on the non football section-G.O.T.

if anyone does wish to start a thread there and it is of interest, i myself will contribute to the debate-----but this wee section should be left free of such politics, and for purely football related matters only.

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Ballyhenry - this forum isn't ready for, shall we say, your interesting views ;)

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

I think my original comment went right over your head, liam :)

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I'm thinking it probably did Lux-care to re-phrase? :D
Like I said, I know you're a sound bloke (and I'm well up to that pint sometime-never been to Belfast before) I just lvoe a healthy debate....................................

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

Ballyhenry - this forum isn't ready for, shall we say, your interesting views ;)

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don't worry, lux.--i have already stated that this part of the forums, i believe, to be football orientated only.--and i for one will be making no 'interesting' comments on 'political' issues concerning northern ireland, while on this section of the forums.

i believe football/political issues should be kept seperate on forums like these...hence the 'off topic' comment.

anyway, back to football--this week should be a most interesting one with the glens away to coleraine on tuesday evening, and then on saturday we entertain newry city-and of course our old chum-mr. woy muckweedy.

newry got off to a good start in the C.I.S yesterday winning 4-2 against muckweedys old outfit, omagh town with new newry striker michael mchugh-(a player i've always rated)-getting a brace.

couple of enjoyable games, i reacon to look forward to--(although i think we'll put both teams to the sword)--- and thank god the seasons started!!--(no more running 'round shopping centres with the wife on a sat. afternoon!!)
any thoughts yerself on the 2 forthcoming games, lux??

While we be on the subject of Nord Iron-I heard on the news about plans to disband the IRA for SF big centinary/big anniversary next year...
*cracks opend the worm can*
will it do any good?

OOps missed Bally's post-didn't realise we're back onto the beautiful game........good luck to all EL/IL team this week (except lumfield) and especially RAmbs ;)

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Originally Posted by liam88

OOps missed Bally's post-didn't realise we're back onto the beautiful game........good luck to all EL/IL team this week (except lumfield) and especially RAmbs ;)

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well my young friend, i'll certainly agree with you on that.

and i'll second your opinion as regards your comment at 'the great satan'--the 'bluedogs'.

they didn't get off to the best of starts yesterday-a scorless draw against ards which according to the local papers was 'drab' and 'boring' to say the least.

and then we had the ports crashing to dungannon swifts, 2-1 at stanmore park, in a surprise defeat.

thats football lads-ya take nothing for granted.

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Originally Posted by davros

Btw,You cannot be Both Irish & Br*tish :confused: ....it is either One Or the other ;) That's what some jokers :rolleyes: on here & elsewhere don't understand!

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Yes, you can, Dev .... not everyone has the same fear and loathing of Eng-ger-lan than you do.

Clearly the two are not mutually exclusive.

Don't swallow the Green Book propaganda.

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Originally Posted by ballyhenryglens

i find it strange that we should suddenly be having a debate on the british/irish culture-in a football related thread loosely based on the glens displays in europe!!
from the minute sensitive issues such as 'an all ireland league' or 'an all ireland team', was brought into this thread we all knew that sooner or later we were all going to get 'political'.-----i suppose some people are interested to see what way 'northern' lads react when contencious issues are brought up.--i would be the 1st to agree that 'northern ireland' is a complex issue-and indeed very interesting to debate-but unfortunatly what happens is comments start flying from both sides in a debate which is never from the off set for the 'feint hearted'--then before we know it, all hell breaks loose, and the moderator is struggling to control the situation.

i enjoy 'political' debate.---i would perhaps not be classed as one of the more moderate glenmen, and some of my views on ulster might have a few lads here foaming at the mouth!!

but i am not going to reveal them on a 'football' related thread.----i think it more appropriate that for such debates to be discussed on the non football section-G.O.T.

if anyone does wish to start a thread there and it is of interest, i myself will contribute to the debate-----but this wee section should be left free of such politics, and for purely football related matters only.

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Indeed, Ballyhenry ... it was all going swimmingly with the thread when Prof Paddy J with the Oirish Doctorate (or whatever) switched the course dramatically from our Finnish success to an in-depth analysis of a couple of old 'freedom fighters' (ones, that you or I wouldn't really eulogise in the same glowing terms).

And so back to football.

Not going to make it to Coleraine for the game this Weds (as I'm off supporting my country in far-off climes :) ), however I see Coleraine have made a shock signing at centre-back.

I wonder will he receive the same sort of treatment he got the last time he signed for Coleraine :eek:

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Not going to make it to Coleraine for the game this Weds (as I'm off supporting my country in far-off climes :) ),



Far off climes, come on Lux it's not that far, sure it's only two hour's from Belfast Central station to Connolly station and then four stop's on the dart to Lansdowne, sure you'll be home before 1am.

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

Not going to make it to Coleraine for the game this Weds (as I'm off supporting my country in far-off climes :) ),



Far off climes, come on Lux it's not that far, sure it's only two hour's from Belfast Central station to Connolly station and then four stop's on the dart to Lansdowne, sure you'll be home before 1am.

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:p

I'll be slipping into a neighbouring country tomorrow morning, under the cloak of darkness.

Just trying to avoid the Howth Concerned Residents Group taking umbrage at my spanking new green Umbro apparel as we speed on by.

I'll need to get my money changed, won't I? :)

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Originally Posted by davros

You'd better tell the UN then :rolleyes: .....even they could do a better job than the T*ns & if it was Scotland,but not the Ingles,we might understand........though apparantly some of your finest citizens were up to their old tricks on the Seacat to there,on Saturday

PS.There is No Green book :eek: ......just The Truth :D

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I also heard some of our "finest citizens" were up to their "old tricks" in Irish Street as well ;)

How are you guys doing in the Olympic Games, so far? :D

F*ck me! I go out for a Ruby with my sister and her husband followed by a perusal through his large Scotch collection and I find that a free for all has broken out.

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Originally Posted by ballyhenryglens

i find it strange that we should suddenly be having a debate on the british/irish culture-in a football related thread loosely based on the glens displays in europe!!...

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I would have taken your point about politics and this thread more seriously if you hadn't brought up the all-Irish state over a matter of football. There are two relatively poor leagues in Ireland. An all-Ireland competition would increase interest - even if some of it was unwanted - and may even bring more money into Glentoran from TV rights. It's nothing more than that, and if you are worried about your international side, get it in writing that it stays. And as I said, an all-Ireland state does not necessarily mean the end of the NI side (eg. Faroes, Puerto Rico, Scotland, Wales).

As for your interesting views, go on tell us! They can't be worse than Patrick J's.

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

You were doing so well there until the veto-part-thingy about the "majoritys right ot self-determination". The "majority" continually exercise their right to "self-determine" via the Westminister elections. Wishy-washy, misty-eyed, green-tinted nonsense about "self-determination", from a 32-point of view, has been subsumed within the confines of the Belfast Agreement through the principle of consent.

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More stereotyping. I'm impressed. :rolleyes: The majority's decision over self-determination was given at the 1919 Westminster election over the status of something of a more credible 'constituent of the United Kingdom' with 'a far more distinct and separate identity, or culture' than exists now (a plebiscite as you know was never granted). The answer was for it to secede.

Interesting how you picture Irish freedom fighters as mad (I'd certainly concur with you on Pearse), but are quiet about British politicians of the period. Perhaps stupid would be more appropriate? I mean if home rule was granted in the first place, chances are we'd all be going to watch our side with a British passport now. Alternative history...what a way to start an argument! :D

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Originally Posted by liam88

Talking of mad dog whatever happend to the ol' eejit......I've heard rumours he's batting for the other side now days and I'm not talking Nationalist/Loyalist

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He was mentioned the other day in the news as trying to visit his fragrant wife, the lovely Gina, in a hotel belonging to the German lady. The UDA's calender pin-up girl from 1999 is currently suffering from ovarian cancer, but the powers that be have told the bedwetter he can't go. Dunno about him, ahem, batting for the other side, although many people hold this view as his best mate, Sam McCrory, was a secret admirer of the Village People back in his skinhead days.

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Originally Posted by davros

We don't have your inherant genetic ability for winning the...walking :rolleyes:

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Well actually...

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Originally Posted by davros

Young Mr88 was perchance, :confused: referring to our other old friend MD,last heard of abseiling into the Estonian national stadium,when the osc.played their in March........... :eek: ........Mr.Even-handed,he is not... :(

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Dog Breath, unlike yourself, does not possess 'the same fear and loathing of Eng-ger-lan' of yourself but is a good loyal subject of Brit-tan-nia, despite him doing more abseiling when his fellow 'home' nation were so unsportingly dumped out of Euro 2004. :D

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

:p

I'll be slipping into a neighbouring country tomorrow morning, under the cloak of darkness.

Just trying to avoid the Howth Concerned Residents Group taking umbrage at my spanking new green Umbro apparel as we speed on by.

I'll need to get my money changed, won't I? :)

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Lux are you catching the early morning seacat to Troon and having a break in Scotland, you proberly better get yer money changed I've heard they can get a bit funny about taking those six county note's in Britain. :)

[QUOTE=Lux Interior]:p

Just trying to avoid the Howth Concerned Residents Group taking umbrage at my spanking new green Umbro apparel as we speed on by.


I don't blame yer seeing that the new Ireland gear is not out until the end of the month and there may well be a few finger's pointing in yer direction saying thing's about buying gear that has fallen off the back of a lorry, did yer get the new kit complete with new badge from the West Belfast argos book. :rolleyes: :cool:

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Originally Posted by sylvo

Lux are you catching the early morning seacat to Troon and having a break in Scotland, you proberly better get yer money changed I've heard they can get a bit funny about taking those six county note's in Britain.

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Don't talk to me about those O6C notes. :mad: Conchita's cousin gave some money to the kids at Xmas when she was visiting us before going to see her brother in Tanfield. We tried cashing them in at some Xmas theme park on what used to be the Millenium dome and we were told to clear off as they were not, and I quote, real money. For the first time in my life I was screaming at the Millwall-esque bird on the counter, 'It's an integral part of the United Kingdom (so it is, yer wee cay, yer!)' but it was all in vain. I mean you can spend Euros in the O6C and get them out of a hole in the wall in Belfast, but try spending sterling without the German lady on the front in Britain... :rolleyes:

Paddy J's still trying to get back on this thread. :eek: :D

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Originally Posted by sylvo

Lux are you catching the early morning seacat to Troon and having a break in Scotland, you proberly better get yer money changed I've heard they can get a bit funny about taking those six county note's in Britain. :)

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I got the Euros today, Sylvo, thanks for asking. :)

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

:p

Just trying to avoid the Howth Concerned Residents Group taking umbrage at my spanking new green Umbro apparel as we speed on by.


I don't blame yer seeing that the new Ireland gear is not out until the end of the month and there may well be a few finger's pointing in yer direction saying thing's about buying gear that has fallen off the back of a lorry, did yer get the new kit complete with new badge from the West Belfast argos book. :rolleyes: :cool:

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Im not aware that Argos stocked new football apparel, much less the existence of a "West Belfast" version.

"Back of a lorry" - too much stereotyping going on in here - I haven't even mentioned the green'n'grey ..... [snip] :p

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Originally Posted by lopez

Don't talk to me about those O6C notes. :mad: Conchita's cousin gave some money to the kids at Xmas when she was visiting us before going to see her brother in Tanfield. We tried cashing them in at some Xmas theme park on what used to be the Millenium dome and we were told to clear off as they were not, and I quote, real money. For the first time in my life I was screaming at the Millwall-esque bird on the counter, 'It's an integral part of the United Kingdom (so it is, yer wee cay, yer!)' but it was all in vain. I mean you can spend Euros in the O6C and get them out of a hole in the wall in Belfast, but try spending sterling without the German lady on the front in Britain... :rolleyes:

Paddy J's still trying to get back on this thread. :eek: :D

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Sorry, lopez, I tried your Euro-spending theory in a large retail unit in East Belfast today.

The cashier, quite correctly, informed me that they were not legal tender but was happy to accept my Ulster Bank notes.

Just as several retail units in the nation's capital did when I visited Brixton last month. :cool:

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Originally Posted by lopez

More stereotyping. I'm impressed. :rolleyes: The majority's decision over self-determination was given at the 1919 Westminster election over the status of something of a more credible 'constituent of the United Kingdom' with 'a far more distinct and separate identity, or culture' than exists now (a plebiscite as you know was never granted). The answer was for it to secede.

Interesting how you picture Irish freedom fighters as mad (I'd certainly concur with you on Pearse), but are quiet about British politicians of the period. Perhaps stupid would be more appropriate? I mean if home rule was granted in the first place, chances are we'd all be going to watch our side with a British passport now. Alternative history...what a way to start an argument! :D

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At state school, we studied domestic history in the 17th century and foreign policy in the 1800s (so, Id be happy to chat about the Great Fire and Palmerston all day ;) ), so I cannot claim to have your's - or Dr Paddy J's - in-depth knowledge of British domestic and foreign policy from 1914-1922, so cannot possibly comment on "British politicians of the period" (I'm sure you'll let me know, however, but I'll endeavour to find out from a more balanced source).

However, I seen this cool, big budget movie where the 'Big Man' was getting pretty het-up around Dublin town, playing some geezer called 'Michael Collins'. As the movie covered him in a 'romantic, heroic' light, a rather large rat could be smelt (metaphorically).

Da flicks, eh? Next they'll be portraying the Yankees cleaning up solo on Dunkirk beach. :)

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

Da flicks, eh? Next they'll be portraying the Yankees cleaning up solo on Dunkirk beach. :)

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OR missing out the 20 000 Irish who took part on D-Day :mad:

On the subject of Ulster notes-who's on them in place of the German lass in the fancy hat.......surely not the dutchman, 'mad do' (ja) or big ian................

( :rolleyes: )

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Originally Posted by liam88

OR missing out the 20 000 Irish who took part on D-Day :mad:

On the subject of Ulster notes-who's on them in place of the German lass in the fancy hat.......surely not the dutchman, 'mad do' (ja) or big ian................

( :rolleyes: )

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Oh, I think your own government does a pretty good job "missing out" on those Irishmen that fought in two world wars.

And, Liam, I just wish our head of state was British .... just like your's :D

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Originally Posted by lopez

but try spending sterling without the German lady on the front in Britain... :rolleyes:

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It's worth repeating again but - sigh - we'd love a real true Brit as our Head of State, just like our neighbours 'down Souff' ;)

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

I got the Euros today, Sylvo, thanks for asking. :)

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Hold onto any of them that you don't spend, cause anytime in the last two year's that i've been in the occupied six county's i've alway's used them, even place's where there's flag's from foreign country's like Britain flying outside the shop have taken them. Maybe that shop assistant in East Belfast was having a bad day. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Lux Interior] . Of course NI is a country, whether you choose to recognise it or not


Is this a country like Narnia where you have to climb in through the back of a wardrobe to get into it and there's all unicorn's and Lion's hanging out there. :p
Or is it more like Munchkin land that Judy Garland visited in the Wizard of Oz after she got caught up in a hurracaine, or is it like middle earth and you can only get to it after you've taken some of what J R Tolkin took when he was writing Lord of the ring's, cause Lux I was up in Fermangh and Tyrone a couple of week's ago and I did'nt notice any other country.
I noticed more Ireland jersey's then I would in Dublin or Kildare, lot's of Gealic football top's, I spent only euro's all the time :D plus a lot of the local's in any of the pub's I was in also spent Euro's plus everybody was watching the GAA on RTE in any of the pub's I went into.
So Lux where's this wee country. :confused:
Ahh I did notice the road marking's where different, I guess that must make it a nation after all. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

. Of course NI is a country, whether you choose to recognise it or not


Is this a country like Narnia where you have to climb in through the back of a wardrobe to get into it and there's all unicorn's and Lion's hanging out there.
Or is it more like Munchkin land that Judy Garland visited in the Wizard of Oz after she got caught up in a hurracaine, or is it like middle earth and you can only get to it after you've taken some of what J R Tolkin took when he was writing Lord of the ring's, cause Lux I was up in Fermangh and Tyrone a couple of week's ago and I did'nt notice any other country.
I noticed more Ireland jersey's then I would in Dublin or Kildare, lot's of Gealic football top's, I spent only euro's all the time :D plus a lot of the local's in any of the pub's I was in also spent Euro's plus everybody was watching the GAA on RTE in any of the pub's I went into.
So Lux where's this wee country.
Ahh I did notice the road marking's where different, I guess that must make it a nation after all.

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I hope you enjoyed your wee stay in our humble wee home - I wouldn't worry about the prevalence of GAA tops over in this part of the world, sylvo. Plenty of Rangers, OWC and Glens - a few smattering of Linfield [sigh] but no 'An Dun' shirts .... Im afraid our esteemed county only come as far as Carryduff (and even then under the cloak of darkness).

Pop over to this part of Belfast next time and I'll buy you a pint - it's on Liz and myself ... but don't bring those Euro thingies :p

And I get RTE as well, sylvo. Enjoyed the Shelbourne game last week but thankfully our state broadcaster (which I know you'se all secretly watch) doesn't broadcast something as hip as the 'Angelus'.

Now, be off with you, I'm packing - you might catch me on BBC1 tomorrow night - they're showing our country's match live :cool:

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Originally Posted by sylvo

Hold onto any of them that you don't spend, cause anytime in the last two year's that i've been in the occupied six county's i've alway's used them, even place's where there's flag's from foreign country's like Britain flying outside the shop have taken them. Maybe that shop assistant in East Belfast was having a bad day. :rolleyes:

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I also seen a couple of Ivory Coast flags driving past a grotty estate near the motorway yesterday. ;)


I've never seen "Britains" flag, sylvo.

Pedantically,

Lux

Would seem that Fermagh, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry are all Irish! Seems only to be certain parts of Belfast that are ANY different-apart from yon infamous road markings ;).... not to sure bout Antrim? anyone? :confused:
Will be watching the 26c Ireland on Wednesday but may have a wee look at the 6c who decided to knock together their own team tommorow-if I was a lad at the same time as some of the others I may have donned the ol Nord Iron shirt (I remember your tale Lopez :D ) but unfortunatley missed ma slot and by the time I was old enough to fit in a proper football shirt it was nearing the end of the troubles :rolleyes:
Well we'll see the board explode with comments tommorow night so I'll be off for now ;) .......

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

Sorry, lopez, I tried your Euro-spending theory in a large retail unit in East Belfast today.

The cashier, quite correctly, informed me that they were not legal tender but was happy to accept my Ulster Bank notes.

Just as several retail units in the nation's capital did when I visited Brixton last month. :cool:

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Yeah, that's why a hole in the wall in Donegall Square dishes out Euros and Sterling. As for the notes, I finally got rid of them at the tube station (where the booking clerks are fully informed of what is and isn't legal tender).

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

It's worth repeating again but - sigh - we'd love a real true Brit as our Head of State, just like our neighbours 'down Souff' ;)

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Hoh, hoh, Lux! British because she was - shock horror - born in the O6C. Your switching passports again you naughty boy, and you're looking a wee eejit in the process. Look, we had a genuine Briton as head of state thirty years ago. Oh, wait a minute, we had another one fourty years before him aswell. Which sort of throws a spanner in the works of the UO26C being totally prejudiced to people of another religious persuasion taking the top job. Unlike yourselves of course (I'm thinking you have your British passport with you now) although you don't mind looking through most of Europe to ensure a true Briton of the wrong religious persuasion, but right family connections, doesn't get the job.

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

...thankfully our state broadcaster (which I know you'se all secretly watch) doesn't broadcast something as hip as the 'Angelus'

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Didn't know Readers Wives TV was the state broadcaster. It's the only thing I secretly watch. Safe journey Lux and don't over indulge in the chocolate. ;)

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Originally Posted by lopez

Yeah, that's why a hole in the wall in Donegall Square dishes out Euros and Sterling. As for the notes, I finally got rid of them at the tube station (where the booking clerks are fully informed of what is and isn't legal tender).
Hoh, hoh, Lux! British because she was - shock horror - born in the O6C. Your switching passports again you naughty boy, and you're looking a wee eejit in the process. Look, we had a genuine Briton as head of state thirty years ago. Oh, wait a minute, we had another one fourty years before him aswell. Which sort of throws a spanner in the works of the UO26C being totally prejudiced to people of another religious persuasion taking the top job. Unlike yourselves of course (I'm thinking you have your British passport with you now) although you don't mind looking through most of Europe to ensure a true Briton of the wrong religious persuasion, but right family connections, doesn't get the job.
Didn't know Readers Wives TV was the state broadcaster. It's the only thing I secretly watch. Safe journey Lux and don't over indulge in the chocolate. ;)

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Heh, heh, it's common knowledge that the First Trust Bank in Donegall Square churns out Euros - which is where I got mine today. No great drama here, given that a different jurisdiction, less than an hour 'souff', trades in same moneys.

That was a great bite there Lopez regarding 'our Mary'. I wasn't aware Mary the Brit was off a " another religious persuasion". Kudos to the non-monocultural souff, then ... I'll be able to wear my OWC top safely through Dundalk tomorrow because of this bountiful tolerance (bet ya 10 Euros I won't, though ;) ).

Ta for the closing sentiments, lopez .... unfortunately the Irish state low-cost airline insists on photo-ID at the ticket desk - looks like I'll be bringing my passport in my skyrocket after all ............ :)

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Originally Posted by davros

Bet ye also :rolleyes: ......the An Lú Bhoys might mistake it for fancy-dress ;) .....give our regards to the cheese-eaters....one day a Legitimate Irish side'll turn-up! :p

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Yet they didn't "turn up" for the EC qualifiers, Dev :D

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

I hope you enjoyed your wee stay in our humble wee home - I wouldn't worry about the prevalence of GAA tops over in this part of the world, sylvo. Plenty of Rangers, OWC and Glens - a few smattering of Linfield [sigh] but no 'An Dun' shirts .... Im afraid our esteemed county only come as far as Carryduff (and even then under the cloak of darkness).

Pop over to this part of Belfast next time and I'll buy you a pint - it's on Liz and myself ... but don't bring those Euro thingies :p

And I get RTE as well, sylvo. Enjoyed the Shelbourne game last week but thankfully our state broadcaster (which I know you'se all secretly watch) doesn't broadcast something as hip as the 'Angelus'.

Now, be off with you, I'm packing - you might catch me on BBC1 tomorrow night - they're showing our country's match live :cool:

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That's a shame that you get no An Dun jersey's around yer way, so I take it those two sunday's one in 91 the other in 94 when your bhoy's were crowned all Ireland champion's everyone around your way was busy looking at the clock ticking away counting the minute's going by until monday morning while the rest of the county shook it's boothy. :rolleyes:
Lux i'll take you up on that pint though from yerself and Liz, currancy's not a problem if she's buying, I'll have to get the auld rave runner's on and get up to Belfast and also add the Oval to my new ground's list.
Agree with yer about the Angelus, Ireland's moved on from those day's of J C McQuaid throwing his view's about religon in everyone's face, and discriminating against anyone who don't dance to his and his homie's tune, just like those people who march down people's street's who don't want them there with high viz vest's and phiss pot's on their head's backed up by cop's soldier's and thug's in Rangers jersey's It's time to drop relic's of the past like that also.
Anyway Lux you got yer own Travel show on UTV, Zurich one week Sweden the next. ;)
If yer get to any of the those huge lake's over there, sit down have a couple of bev's and you'd almost think you were sitting in the lovely Ulster countryside like Fermangh, Cavan or Monaghan.

Lux,Sorry I've been quiet for a week but have been chilling down in the West Cork heatwave. :D You seem a bit paranoid about wearing your glens shirt in the sarff, although I wouldn't wear anything not of the rulling hegemony in Dundalk. But I was in Killarney the other day and I spotted a teenager wearing a red/black striped top with 'Ford' on the front. As you do with interesting looking shirts I had to get closer to see who they were, expecting some Dutch or German outfit and found out it was a Crusaders shirt. I didn't ask if he'd been threatened recently?

Good luck in Sweden, hombre! ;)