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interesting discussion on pats seeding prospects in rd 2
also - see Heerenveen in Holland might prefer too lose their last game for el qualif!!
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interesting discussion on pats seeding prospects in rd 2
also - see Heerenveen in Holland might prefer too lose their last game for el qualif!!
thats me on there.
I think Pats have it pretty much wrapped up. I thought we need maybe 2, defo 3 of ten things to happen. 2 have already happen.
Here's an update;
1. Moldova Sheriff Tiraspol win the league (ahead of dacia) - Currently 2 point ahead, 4 games left
2. Macedonia Rabotnicki (5.633) dont win the Cup. beaten in cup yesterday :)
3. Georgia Dila win Cup or Zestafoni (4.733) to win league. Dila (1.733) would qualify as rup runners up. - Looks like Zestafoni will win league (see bawnville's post,) so a Dila cup win would be needed
4. Scotland St Johnston (4.228) finish 5th (or 6th if Hearts win cup) - between Hearts/St jonstone for league placing IMO
5. Israel Bnei Sakhnin get the euro spots through the league (currently Currently 7th, but 2nd7th covered by 3 points) -
6. Czech Dukla prague (4.040) finish 4th and Sparta Prague win cup - Sparta lost cup final :(
7. Bulgaria Lokomotiv Plovdiv (2.850) win Cup/finish 4th. Currently 5th, in cup final
8. Poland Korona Kielce (3.983) finish 4th ahead of Lech Poznan 22.483 or Slask Wroclaw 5.483 - Last games this weekend. Korona 4th
9. Slovakia Zilinia win the league - top by 2 points, 4 games left
10. No more than 2 of the fair pla spots are seeded above 4.975
I figured that:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Keep up the good work............
Just to confirm Hungary aswell dodge, Gyori Eto are banned from europe. Videoton next (ranked lower than you)
Rustavi (4.233) could more or less have the league in georgia on Sunday should they beat Zestafoni at home.
Also, if Chelsea win the champions league and finish outside the top 4 there will be no Round 3 spot in the europa league (Liverpool in 4th round, no Europe for 5th place).
This will 'bump' every team up one meaning you will need one less team to rely on.
Yeah, but I think Hungary is certain. I just listed some of the ones that could go either way.
Fair play spots are
Norway (Stabaek -4.935)
Finland (MyPa-47) - 2.826)
Netherlands (???)
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Originally Posted by DaveyCakes
Excelsior expected to get Dutch spot
Is that dependent on who wins the play-off for the last europa league spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Unlikely to be excelsior/ here's the ranking before yesterday's games
http://bin617-02.website-voetbal.nl/...r_04052012.pdf
Twente, Den Bosch and Go Ahead Eagles ahead of excelsor. All wll be seeded in rounds 1 and 2.
Edit; http://bin617-02.website-voetbal.nl/...oen%201112.pdf
Final ranking there.
Twente will still prefer to qualify via their play offs
Al Gore gives his thumbs up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GFcFKGNa3I
We should cheer on all the Irish teams in Europe: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1138Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Ah yes - the original reason for the opening of the now legendry "Barstool Facepalm" thread.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056611588Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
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Any point in keeping this place open, hasnt been posted in for a year
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Burn it. Awful idea from the get go.
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We're just going through a rough patch but we'll be back in force next season and this place will be thriving again.
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I said this when it was started, move the superthread from the main forum and the interest started to wain immediately.
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...f-god-meme.jpgQuote:
It just rooted out the barstoolers and left the real dyed in the wool Eagles fans to discuss the team. No loss really.
For the sole reason of calling their bluff, its a shame we can't them.
I thought it was the "Rovers away" thread on the Spurs supporters forum..Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
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Originally Posted by dfx-
http://foot.ie/threads/144185-Barsto...=1#post1425808
Following weekend results, its almost certain that Pats will be seeded for Round 2 aswell as round 1. Bohs will be seeded for Round 1. Bohs and Sligo won't be seeded for Round 2
In the Champions League, Rovers seeding boils down to 3 things. They need 2 of these to happen
1) bayern win the CL
2) Metalurg Rustuvi win the Gerogian League. 2 points ahead of Zestafoni, 3 games left
3) Dacia win the Moldovan League. 4 points behind Sheriff. 3 games left
And then there's the beautiful moment the Spiritual home of Irish soccer was born...Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
http://foot.ie/threads/144185-Barsto...=1#post1426717
On topic though... I now have another reason to support Bayern... not like this was not reason enough...
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...y_1148193a.jpg
You can add in Bulgaria. If CSKA draw or lose one of their next 2 games they play their final game away to ludogorets knowing a loss will give Ludogorets the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Metalurgi play 3rd and 4th in their next 2, they have to win both simple as..
Zestafoni are now top on GD, after winning 4-1 and Rustavi dropping 2 points away to Torpedo.
Ludogorets Razgrad have narrowed the gap between themselves and CSKA Sofia to 2 points in the Bulgarian League. Ludogorets play 2nd from bottom next while CSKA play the team in 6th, before they both play each other on the last day of the season.
Pats defo seeded in Rounds 1 and 2.
Bohs defo seeded in round 1, not seeded in round 2
Sligo defo not seeded in ROund 2
http://topnews.in/light/files/Jermain-Defoe_1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Dodge, update on Shamrock rovers please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Still can't defend
"Just score more than TNS do in July"Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Back on topic....
Metalurgi Rustavi are still top in Georgia. Done a bit of research in to it and they are still top because they have more wins since the top 10 teams broke up in to a 'championship round'.
To get a seeding spot 1 of the 3 teams below have to win their leagues & Bayern Munich have to win the champions league
Georgia – Metalurgi Rustavi (Level on points but still ahead, 2 games left)
Bulgaria – Ludogorets (2 points behind, 2 games left)
Moldova – Dacia (4 points behind, 2 games left)
He's a Longford fan, you mean Carmarthen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop
if he can't make his own funnys properly, don't spoon feed him :)
How does it work that Pats are seeded in round 2 even though Sligo were nominated as the 'highest' ranked team by the FAI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It's surely not based on Pats having a better European record...don't all clubs take the national coefficient?
Harrumph and indeed :angry2: :angry2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Seven years on and it's still the most offensive C word there is.
The overall ranking is determined by the national co-efficient. How many team and which round they start in.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
Ranking
Access list
But each team has their own co-efficient, used to work out seeding in each round.
team ranking
cl seeding
el seeding
A team without their own points takes on the national points
Oh, and each country's cup winner gets highest available entry position in the europa league.
Can you provide a source for this? Whos on top seems to depend on where you look, and sounds like it would be particularly harsh if (finishing level on points) Zestafoni were denied (they have better GD and of the four matches against Metalurgi won 3 and drew 1), even if the other crowd had better record (of wins) in the championship round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop
I thin I follow this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop
Bayern already qualified so, if previous years are anything to go by, Basel would go into next round leaving abit of extra wriggle room.
IF Chelsea win then you need two of those things? No?
So am I right in thinking that all Irish teams take the national coefficient because no team has a larger individual coefficient than the national one?...Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
I'm just wondering why it is that Pats seem to be at an advantage by being seeded in round 2 whereas Sligo won't be when the latter are the 'highest' ranked Irish team entering the competition based on the fact that they won the cup...
The national coefficient determines what round a team enters the competition at. Ireland's coefficient determines what phase the champions enter the Champions League and the respective phases each Europa-qualified team enters. This year it's the second QR of the Champions League, regardless of whether Rovers or Pats or UCD had won the league.
The team's coefficient then kicks in, determining whether the side is seeded in their respective round. If Pats had won the league, they'd have had a better chance of securing seeding than Rovers, while UCD would have no chance at all. That's why it matters so much which teams win which leagues, or which team achieves the higher Europa League berth from their league.
.....This is an article of the league rules posted on Zestafoni's Facebook page.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
http://translate.google.com/translat...777%26lang%3D1
Main things to pick out: The 8 teams were among the "Metallurg" has more victories (15-13).
At the moment, "Metallurgy," the leader, because they have more wins.
If Bayern win Basel will advance to round 3, a round 1 team will replace therefore Rivers would be next in line to be seeded should 1 league work out for then.
That google translation certainly clears it all up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop
It does indeed, but who the hell are Rivers ? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Big games in Georgia this afternoon
Rustavi at home to Dinamo Tbilisi, who are 5th. Zestafoni are away to 4th placed Dila Gori.
The league format seems very odd to me - does anyone know did the results from the first 22 games get carried across to the Championship group, excluding those against the bottom 4?
If not it means they've played a 50-game season.
The national co-efficient contributes 20% to a club's ranking. So if a team, say UCD, entered Europe their ranking wouldn't be the LOI rank of 7.375, instead they'd use the club rank of 1.475 (listed as ireland here)Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
On top of that 20%, clubs earn points for themselves if the win/draw games in the tournament proper (ie not qualifiers). Pats got a point for drawing with Hertha in UEFA Cup 1st round in 08/09 (for example). When the Europa league was introduced, UEFA gave 'bonus points' to clubs for exiting at certain stages, this isn't added to national score.
The list is
exit at Cl QR2 - 1
exit at EL QR 1 - 0.25
exit at EL QR 2 - 0.5
exit at EL QR 3 - 1
exit at EL QR PO - 1.5
make EL groups - 2
SO Pats co-efficient of 4.975 is made up of 1.475 (national score) + 1 (earned by draw in UEFA Rd 1 in 08/09) + 1.5 (earned by reaching Play offs in 09/10) + 1 (earned by reachiing 3rd QR last year)
Sligo is 1.475 + 0.25 (QR1 in 09/10) + 1 (QR3 last year) = 2.725
And just in case....
The national co-efficient is made up of points earned by clubs in individual games. In Qualifying rounds, a win = 1 point, draw = 0.5. This is doubled for group stages now. The total each year is divided by club entered to give rank each year. The co-efficient is the last 5 years combined
About time someone started the "Let Pats win the League for the good of the co-efficient" movementQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin