So what was Fingal's holding company that existed while the club didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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So what was Fingal's holding company that existed while the club didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Maybe they were granted an exemption as they were a genuinely new club, as opposed to a 'new holding company but same club' club.
The SF project had been developed for a couple of years before the club began play. Hence they had the trading records in place and all legal formalities passed.
From another ruling on the 3-year rule, UEFA states that "clubs are not allowed to change their legal form or structure in order to obtain a licence, simply by 'cleaning up' their balance sheet while offloading debts onto a new entity that might potentially go bankrupt – thus harming creditors (including employees and social/tax authorities) as well as threatening the integrity of sporting competition. Any such alteration of a club's legal form or structure is deemed to be an interruption to its membership of a UEFA member association and consequently three years must pass before a club can apply again for a UEFA licence."
The three-year rule seems to mainly cover clubs that change their structure (e.g. by dissolving an old company, and along with it the debts) rather than brand new clubs who essentially have a clean slate in terms of licensing.
If FAI/DCFC had proven that this was a brand new club, would they have stood a much better chance of getting a UEFA license?
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...312169043.html
So Bohs wrote to FAI and UEFA ? Bad form or just good sense ?
Bad form I think, but at the end of the day the right decision was made so it should be left at that. The first game of the season between Bohs and Derry should be interesting
I think that they were right to write to UEFA. If Derry got in due to a bending of the rules then itt would have been Bohs loss. European football can help make a clubs season.
Tell me are your players still getting paid as groundsmen and barmen, along with getting paid as footballers?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
How many million do Bohs owe, and how long will they get away not paying what they owe?
Nothing to to do with anti Bohs, just looking for some answers, but don't expect any.
If Derry think Bohs shouldn't get a licence, send a similar letter and let UEFA decide
It won't change the fact you weren't eligible to receive one. Good to see the majority of Derry fans taking the ruling in the right manner.
Nothing wrong with them seeking an exception, nor Bohs looking to have the rule steadfastly implemented. Just doing what's best for their clubs
Looking after their own interests, just as Derry were doing in seeking an exemption when they knew they were in breach of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
If you believe Bohs are in breach of criteria for european football I have no doubt Derry City will object. Otherwise stop whinging (ironic you would raise players contracts given Derry Citys recent history :rolleyes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Derry
Bohs did not introduce the criteria nor did they exclude Derry City so spare us the martyrdom complex, unfortunately typical of many LOI fans to blame other clubs for their inadequacies.
Someone, somewhere must find a way to blame "Pat the Rat" for all this :cool::cool:
No need to find a way to blame him. He is already assumed to be the source of all evil in the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
1. They never have been and they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derry
2. Many millions owed with a repayment plan in place.
I think Bohs were perfectly within their rights to ask UEFA to uphold the rules while their own football association were going to bat for a club that didn't fulfill the criteria.
If we were in Bohs situation, i'd fully expect us to do the same thing. Rules are rules, take yer oil as we like to say
I would suspect that the above would be the view of most Derry fans. Derry deserved it on the football field but were rightly denied a place due to the tax shenanigans which led to the club folding/re-structuringQuote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
I am a Bohs member and there was no great clamour for the club to state the bleeding obvious to UEFA, but I am glad that they decided to do it without hype or publicity. Embarrassing that our national association further undermined its credibility by looking for UEFA to "bend" the rules
As for the Derry Board, the comments about Bohs are consistent with the usual default mode of Boards of Football clubs in trying to deflect from their own failures by blaming everyone else, I doubt that sensible Derry fans will be taken in by their chairmans guff.
Correct. Most of us were aware it was likely we wouldn't get in. Disappointing mostly for the players but rules are rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I don't know why anyone would blame Bohs for asking the question.
i have to say this has been a pretty great week to be a Bohs fan. TBWRA. :)
Sounds like Derry got the silver lining any LOI club would like, a big money government grant. Could do wonders for the league.
Fair play to bohs, hope they enjoy it as it will be the last European trip they'll be on in a while!
we thought that last year. Thanks for the charity Derry. Almost too generous.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
My take on it
As people have stated, Derry were entitled to apply, Bohs were entitled to write the letter. Such is football.
Good piece Kev - a balanced approach to a thorny issue is refreshing. That Bohs are the team to benefit, while pleasing to me, is irrelevant.
this piece does remind me of something im a little bit concerned about... what sort of welcome (or farewell!) will Bohs supporters get from these folk in a few weeks?
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To anyone who had done any reasonable research(or indeed had read any decent article about the future for Rnagers), today’s news comes as no shock. However social media filled up with outraged Derry people, most of whom would barely know where the Brandywell is. No-one does moral outrage quite like a Derry person.
Well, apart from putting their heads on spikes....Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Naw, I'd say they will be grand.
I'm sure you'll get the standard red carpet treatment from P O'Neill Security Co.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
will it not be more costly for bohs to compete(stop laughing at the back) in europe? surely the costs will out weigh the UEFA money received.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
90k for qualifying, regionalised draw. Extra home gate, more shots at better sponsorship deals. No, I doubt the costs will outweigh all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop
I imagine the real costs will set in when the players threaten not to fulfill a fixture unless they get bonuses.
Bohs league gates are shocking as is, you reckon you'll get a larger gate for euro games? if that is the case you'll need more security. euro bonus for players may have to be agreed or you might have a Pats situation on your hands, travel costs. generally clubs dont make a huge profit after all expenses are taken out.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
It's gone from "surely a loss" to "generally clubs don't make a huge profit"?
An extra gate is an extra gate. I would fully expect the Irish teams in Europe this season to be on top of any bonus issues well in advance after last seasons farce.
Very shortsighted to just look at the UEFA money v costs, HulaHoop says it best here - http://foot.ie/threads/162886-Televi...=1#post1576742
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Originally Posted by de bowez
I meant clubs with ambitions to advance, Bohs cant be loooking to getting over the first hurdle
Same as we weren't looking to get past the first hurdle of the Setanta Cup, cant buy that experience for a young squad either. I'm sure your initial comment was tongue in cheek, absurd argument otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop
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Originally Posted by de bowez
Thats true, the experience is worth the participation alone, but then you run the risk of losing these young players to a rival, which is the case this year for Bohs and having to start again. Was a genuine question btw, not a dig at bohs.
We are going to lose players either way, may aswell be because they had a fantastic run in Europe and a team is willing to pay for them.
genuinely wish irish clubs well in europe but cant see you doing anything. as for teams 'paying' for your players are bohs handing out more then 1year contracts?Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
No, the majority are amateur, a few are part time on miniscule what I would assume are 1 year deals. Due to the average age of our squad any fees would be more like the 100k or so we got for the out of contract Deegan a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop
As for how the team will do overall, displays against Portadown were a pleasant surprise, there's some good experience in there along with a hell of a lot of raw talent, difficult not to be getting excited at the prospect of how far they could go at this stage.
of course we have ambitions to advance. Why bother otherwise? If a team like last years Shamrock Rovers can get to the groups then we can hope to get past a round. We'll probably win the feckin thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop
Yeah I would be concerned that we would qualify for the Europa League and lose all six games on the bounce or lose 7-0 to the pride of Silesias coal industry!Quote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop
Seriously though. the only time I`ve seen a Bohs Team fail to compete in Europe was under Stephen Kenny at home where we lost 3-1 ( 0-0 away) and the TNS debacle. Some of our most notable performances in the 22 years we have competed in the main EUFA competitions ( a League Of Ireland record) were with new /scratch teams of journeymen, a scattering of good pro`s and young players, beating Aberdeen and winning away v Kaiserslautern spring to mind, when Roddy had virtually a new team.
If you end up not being seeded in the CL draw as seems likely, can't see you doing much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop