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I don't think the mistake was not picking a 5th striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Townie
Walcott's inclusion was a very strange one because he wasn't up to the standard where the manager would play him. What's the point of picking somebody who you won't play even when injury and fitness doubts open up a place? Imo, the mistake was not picking a viable 4th striker.
They did, yeah. I wonder is there a case of a third keeper making an appearance at a finals? If there's token spots going, give it to Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
(Post not meant to be entirely serious, btw!)
Which thread had information on getting tickets for the finals ?
I checked Uefa site yesterday and from what i saw i think more released after draw.
Will you still be able to get them through your club ?
Dunno if there's an actual thread on it, but best place to ask after info is here (and it'll be easier for others to find it then as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly Billy G
Yeah i'd agree with your comments re. Walcott.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
But i still think theirs is a good example of why you should have 5 'viable' strikers. If they'd had eg. Defoe instead of Walcott, then the way things went they were still short on options. Owen went home injured and Rooney, struggling for fitness, got sent off and would have been suspended for the next round anyway. Would have left them with just the Crouch/Defoe pairing for a massive game. You'd always want a striking option on the bench. For a team with (deluded?!) designs on winning the tournament, Eriksson's choice was criminal.
Of course you'd hope that, whether we take 4 or 5 strikers, they'd all be 100% fit at least for the first kick off.
Didn't Italy have to beg permission to replace an injured keeper just before a finals not so long ago? Whether they brought two or three, injuries had them down to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Do you mean replacing Buffon last year? They had three keepers in the squad; Buffon started the first game, Marchetti came in when Buffon got injured and de Sanctis didn't play at all. Dunno if they tried to call up a replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Niall Quinn was Ireland's registered 3rd keeper in 1990, we could pull the same stunt with John O'Shea but I'm pretty certain FIFA have changed the rules.
I think we'll go with 5 strikers, particularly as two (Long & Walters) are versatile and can play well elsewhere. I'd be amazed if he doesn't take 5 actually.
I also hereby predict at least one game in the group stages where we go 4-5-1. I have a nagging feeling that Trap thinks Keane and Doyle are undroppable but that might change. 3 games in 12 days gives Trap license to change things without offending any precious egos.
Doyler was a winger at City for the most part
Yeah, the rule now seems to be that keepers can only play in nets. So the days of Jorge Campos coming on for a run up front cos his team were easily winning are over (not that he ever did that in the World Cup)Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicMon
Player has to be assigned to the team sheet as a goalkeeper. Outfield can only be used as emergency goalkeeper if the other two are injured, that rule goes right down through footballing ladders now. Had that rule in college when I played too.
But can a sub goalkeeper be brought on for a forward, even when the team still have their first-choice keeper in nets?
I don't understand how UEFA/FIFA can enforce the keeper rule though. Whats to stop you playing a keeper as an outfielder?
eg. if one of the teams has a wildcard like the Paraguayan Chilavert. Its the 120th minute of the semi-final and its heading to penalties. Your current keeper is a great penno shot stopper so you want to keep him on - but you also want Chilavert on to actually take a penno.
Or are they saying that that literally isn't allowed? Seems unfair to me.
Or am i the only geek who actually cares?!:cool:
EDIT -Stu beat me to it and was way more succinct, as usual
There is nothing to say you can't use a goalkeeper on the bench as a sub for an outfield player, but there is nothing to say you can.
From experience, I've come on as an outfield player once for the college team. Had a thumb injury and couldn't play in goal. One of our players got injured so I came on as striker. Never seen it enforced where one couldn't do so. But every time on a team sheet, player must be wrote down as GK on the bench.
Didn't he drop Doyle for Long there a couple of games ago though (but then Long got injured and Doyle had to start)... Then dropped Long for Cox after that!!
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
True. Good logic.
I vaguely recall hearing/reading that Mexico's goalkeeper Jorge Campos was also registered as a striker in the '94 WC.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicMon
I think (and hope) likewise. Whilst in charge of Italy Trap took 5 recognised strikers (not including Totti) to both the 2002 World Cup and Euro 2004. Walters has elevated himself to at least level pegging with Cox via his last two performances imo so as it stands I'd have Keane, Doyle, Long, Walters and Cox as said five. If I'm not mistaken, Walters also played quite a few games as a right winger/midfielder for Ipswich so he's got that versatility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
No, I was thinking of France, who asked to replace their third keeper in WC 2010 after he got injured. I had thought their second keeper was also injured (though not for the whole tournament like the third choice guy), but I didn't see any confirmation in my quick googling. They were denied permission in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The Italians don't think of Totti as a forward. He's a "fantasista", so he only plays in the hole behind two forwards, like the role Keane was moved into in Bari. My guess is that Trap has been reluctant to experiment with that formation more because you usually play three all-round midfielders behind the front three, which would exclude Duff, McGeady, Hunt, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
I think it's far from clear how Trap now rates those five, other than that Keane is clearly first. Doyle seems to be second for now, but the others' performances must be putting pressure on that.Quote:
Walters has elevated himself to at least level pegging with Cox via his last two performances imo so as it stands I'd have Keane, Doyle, Long, Walters and Cox as said five. If I'm not mistaken, Walters also played quite a few games as a right winger/midfielder for Ipswich so he's got that versatility.
Agree entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Good to note that Meyler completed 90 mins for Reserves last night in 3-0 win V Newcastle:
http://www.safc.com/news/20111116/sunderland-res-3-newcastle-utd-res-0_2256213_2518015
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he starts V Fulham at weekend, or at least get a lengthy run out
I see Paul Green made a return to action playing for Derby's reserves against Sheffield United on the 15th of November.
Or maybe it's best he remains forgotten about...
Yes, he came on for Jeff Hendrick yesterday for the last 8 minutes of the match v Hull. Lets say no more on this issue.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
There is always liam Miller if were stuck!
How about Lukas Jutkiewicz? Read in a paper over the weekend that Trap is checking out the parentage of a striker playing in England. Wonder if it's Jutkiewicz?
We've got strikers coming out our ears!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
Can you remember which newspaper it was?
Surely his parents would be too old for the first team. Trap should just check out the player instead. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
In seriousness though, that could be anyone. The vast majority of strikers eligible and good enough to play for us play in England. Doubt it's Jutkiewicz for some reason, or were there clues in the piece? Isn't his eligibility well known? And I believe it's through his Irish grandmother he qualifies. Besides, he's no better than the string of capable players we already have fighting for the limited number of places up front. Whose place would he take in the pecking order?
Hmmm.....Fraizer Campbell?? Whoever it is I hope it's not another Paul Green type discovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
You'd be hoping it's Frazier Campbell anyway ( rather than a championship striker) but maybe that's just paper talk sparked by Meyler's over-active Twitter account.
Campbell's ability to play on the wing and up front could muscle Andy Keogh out of the squad.
It's odd to think that with all the talk about Wilson, McCarthy, Gibson and Best being in the Irish squad for the Euro's that, injury permitting, Trap's loyalty could see Keogh travel to the championships.
I have no doubt he's a great lad, always turns up etc. but I'd be hoping Trap keeps a photo of Andy in his wallet instead and gives the place to someone more effective tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
completly agree, at least 6 better strikers than him, of which walter,long, doyle could all be considered better backup wingers than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
don't know where he picked up this tag as a back up winger every time he's played wide for us he has looked like a fish outta water, better off bringing the likes of coleman or treacy for a back up winger in my opinion
i'd be shocked if trap picks him in the 23
Being realistic:
Guaranteed
GK
Given
Westwood
Def
Dunne
O'Shea
Sledge
Ward
Kelly
O'Dea
MF
Whelan
Andrews
Duff
McGeady
Hunt
Fahey
Strikers
Keane
Doyle
Remaining spaces = 7
1 guaranteed spot for a 3rd Goalkeeper
Options = Forde, Randolph, Murphy
2 spots for Defense
Options = McShane, Kilbane, Foley, Cunningham,
4 spots for MF/Strikers
Options = Long, Cox, Walters, Best, Keogh, Lawrence, Coleman, McCarthy, Gibson, Green
Probably missing a few.
I think Trap will take 5 strikers as he will view Long and Walters as optional backups to the wingers. If he goes with this, then the remaining choice realistically has to be a CM, so Green, McCarthy or Gibson.
For Coleman or Lawrence to go, one of the strikers needs to be dropped (ideally Cox imo).
Long and Walters are nailed on to go. Forde, though Henderson at Portsmouth is getting good reviews. Then Foley, Coleman McCarty and Gibson
Yea I would have had Long in my definite list too.
Hard to see Walters and Cox not going either at this stage.
I'm somewhat doubtful to Long's inclusion in the squad.
Keane and Doyle are given in the squad. Walters will be included as Doyle's direct replacement while Cox seems to be held in regard as Keane's direct replacement. I get the impression that Trapattoni does not have full confidence in Long performing the Keane role or the Doyle role in the team.
Doubt its anyone with the Euros in mind, Trap may be investigating some youngsters with future campaigns in mind. Really don't think there's going to be any surprises or players emerging out of the blue for the Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
three Norwich players in with a chance apparently...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/...d_norwich.html
Tets needs to update his depth charts. Thats really what we should be looking at here.