Sure they should just play all their games away!
RDS has had the Grandstand covered by the way since that cup final so it has plenty more covered seats than Tallaght.
All in all though, Tallaght is the choice by a mile.
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Sure they should just play all their games away!
RDS has had the Grandstand covered by the way since that cup final so it has plenty more covered seats than Tallaght.
All in all though, Tallaght is the choice by a mile.
If UEFA wanted to keep the big clubs happy, we (and other clubs) would have never got in the UEFA Cup, let alone the group phase, after our CL involvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
The stadium rule is there to prevent certain teams getting an unfair advantage over others. Kind of what's happening the Ireland game in Andorra atm.
I don't want any games in Lansdowne, bar the cup final. We exist to be a competitive team, not to brush barstoolers ego.
I think the Aviva is the best option,We want the general public to what an irish team playing at a good standard in the best soccer stadium in the country in a packed out Aviva stadium(spurs) to really get people out and support their LOI teams when they can see what can be achieved in our league.And what the potential is within our league if proper investment is made.Ill be hoping to get to all 3 games is its in the Aviva.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Also i thought the idea was to get as many barstoolers involved as possible for financial reasons and to try and convert as many as possible.
Id be willing to pay €40 for the spurs game and €20/€25 for the other two.Its group stage european football for good sake,not Shamrock rvs V UCD....
That's €17 a game approx and with 25,000 average that just generates €425k. With €200k rent being mentioned and then security/stewarding costs etc that leave nothing. Any other bright ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
Get real, they need to make something they're not a charity. €30 for Spurs and €20 for the others is reasonable. It's €15 for a LOI game, why should this be cheaper?Quote:
Hold on, €50 for 3 games? Dunno about you guys but I wouldn't bother my hole with prices like that.
I agree with the package idea in the Aviva, a package of €30 for 3 games, or €15 per game would be excellent affordable rates for any LOI fan to go with in the current recession.
Breaking even wouldn't be too bad considering the potential to make a loss if they get the pricing slightly wrong. They'll make far more from the set fees from UEFA and from merchandising that they'll ever make from ticket sales anyway. If the games are in Tallaght and temporary seating is erected it's likely they'll make a loss on ticket sales taking into account the cost of temporary seating.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I think the Aviva and a 3 match European ticket for €70 should entice enough people into the Aviva to make a profit for Rovers and I imagine Spurs will bring a decent amount of supporters over to help make that game close to 40,000 to a sell out. I imagine the Guards would rather have the spurs fans in the Aviva as well.
Loads of people in work have been asking how they will get tickets for the games already so I imagine there will be interest from non LOI fans.
It amazes me how so few people on here actually “get“ what Rovers are about,particularly in regard to the Euroa league adventure.
Rovers are not viewing this like an opportunity thats fallen into their laps and they must do everything to maximise earning potentials while it lasts.
Its about getting the best situation that enables the team to get positive results against the 3 teams.
Scrambles for tickets are not important to Rovers,as long as the Rovers fans (5-6000) are catered for.
Just watch us on tv3\3e. Simples.
Here, the poll doesn't make sense, they need to play all games at the same ground.
TV3 reckon Rovers have been denied permission to play the games in Tallaght by UEFA.
Would have been set up before that rule was known. Don't know if it's possible to change it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by fionnsci
That's a shame, although Dodge posted earlier that it wasn't a high enough category ground, and it's probably a lot of work to upgrade a category in such short time (I didn't read through the technical info). I think Tallaght'd be the best option for hosting the games - keep it in the club - but if they have to play all games in the one ground, the RDS looks the obvious choice. Even if it is colliding with the egg-chasing, pitch-churning season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
It seems they'll have to play in the Aviva as that was the venue nominated before the play off round. They may be able to use Tallaght in future but UEFA haven't time to inspect and pass Tallaght it seems.
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
In before the Sligo fans:
That will suit that bunch of nackers hoofing the ball over the floodlights and hoping it deflects in off Twigg's backside. Did you hear that they're not even the real Rovers?
No decision yet according to SRFC on Twitter.
I wouldn't bother listening to TV3. They have no interest in Irish football at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Read today it would cost Rovers 150,000 to bring Tallaght up to 10-12,000 with temporary seating if allowed by UEFA
Get real. It's a recession man. Breaking even is exactly what they need to aim for here. I suggested a package to entise people to go to all the games. Of course 15 euro a game still should stand. If you want to fill the Aviva, going for 20 or 25 quid a ticket is not an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I believe a cheap enough package to just try and fill the place should be looked at first rather than trying to make millions off this.
In the long term looking to break even now is the best option rather than immediate riches.
Does anyone know what the story is about getting tickets for the game in London? Europa League group games don't normally sell out but I can't see anything on the Spurs website on how to get European tickets on general sale.
I wouldn't usually but I just thought as they're going to be covering the games they may have been informed. It seems they jumped the gun anyhow. A decision will be made tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
The games aren't going to fill Aviva anyway so it's a moot point. The only one that would probably sell out is Spurs and it would be insane to offer the tickets at such a low price.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I'd rather spend more to keep Tallaght in place than go to the Aviva. I don't think Tallaght will be allowed though - time constraints for one for diligence etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
The problem being if you try charge 25 quid for a game against PAOK you'll get no more than 15,000 in the Aviva. If you're charging €15 you could get 25,000 and potentially more in the ground. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather make the same amount of money and have 10,000 more people in the ground creating a better atmosphere and not making the league look like a bunch of fools in a 1/4 full stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I'm sorry for trying to use logic. I know it's not entirely welcome here.
I hope Rovers get their preferred choice. If they have to go with the Aviva, I'd imagine they'll have to go with a 3 match package.
Rovers prepare to bring Europe to Tallaght
Soccer : Shamrock Rovers have provisionally been given permission to use Tallaght Stadium for their upcoming Europa League group games.
Uefa have given League of Ireland champions the green light, providing the stadium passes a routine inspection next week when the additional seats are added to bring the attendance up to at least 8,000.
Rovers, who will host Tottenham, Rubin Kazan and PAOK Salonika, were keen to stay in their home ground for the games after making history by reaching the group stages with a 3-2 aggregate win over Partizan Belgrade last week.
Rubin Kazan will be the first to visit on September 15th before the visits of PAOK on November 3rd and Spurs on December 15th.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...303229766.html
I thought temporary seating wasn't allowed in group stages of european competition? Or is there some sort of super quick McDonalds/Aldi/Lidl type building going up in a week?
Fair play to them whatever the case. Excellent news for the club.
Has to be Tallaght . Has no problem holding the games with seats brought in, just look at the Real Madrid game a few years back.
Temporary seating is allowed. Temporary stands is a different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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Originally Posted by mypost
So...how exactly are they putting it up? Just letting the seats lay on the ground? Where's the space for them? Not a dig, just, won't they have to put up some sort of stand to install the seats?
They will have to put up a stand to put the seats in. The definition of "permanent" depends on who you talk to, I guess.
They have this set up in Germany everywhere. For league games they have standing room, and for UEFA games they have temporary seats put in. The difference is, the stand is already there to put them in.
Well I'd imagine what they have in Germany is probably something similar to Hill 16 in croke park?
Rovers don't have anything there at all. Unless they had concrete steps put in immediately then obviously something like what Bray have in the Carlisle grounds would be disallowed? Could be wrong with this of course but it's my opinion on it.
Richmond Park has a "temporary stand" that has been used in Europe. Has taken a battering alright. RDS also has similar structures anyway.
Not in group stages though. They're allowed for qualifying matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by fionnsci
I'm going to gamble on a whim and say there's more to upgrade Richmond to category three or four than a few seats...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
That's not the issue at all. It's that these structures have been allowed before and, obviously, are allowed at the moment, hence the stands being put in.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
It possibly is, but it shows that temp seating is allowed. The structure has to be permanent though. Tallaght looks a radically different stadium with all 4 sides open. After the first game, we've no home group game for 7 weeks, so as to allow us have the last game at home, then 2 in 5 weeks. But we have some big home league games for the rest of the season, and we could use them then too, if the demand was there. Put the seats in, and leave them there for 3 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
My point being though, surely a set of concrete steps can be put up in the space of a week or 2? Metal frame, reinforced concrete slabs, build a wall around it, slap on a bit of plaster, bobs yer aunt. Thats permanent. Then its a case of the temporary seating being put in. How hard can it be.
I reckon if the long-term plan is to build a 4-sided stadium like the original plans contained:Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6971/stadiumag6.jpg
(Image courtesy of rebelarmyexile)
It would probably be cheaper in the long run not to build a slapdash reinforced concrete structure that would be very hard and expensive to remove if the stadium ever was developed to this level.
Just as an aside (and it probably really belongs in the stadium updates thread), the cost for building a new stadium is supposedly around £1000-£4,000 per seat (http://www.toffeeweb.com/club/busine...forStadium.pdf), although this might be less for stadia with much of the infrastructure already in place. At €15 a ticket, that's about 85-300 sold-out games you need to make your money back (A big range, I know). At the moment, Shams would sell out perhaps ten games a season at increased capacity (four derbies against Bohs and Pats, Dundalk or Sligo if it was a big game in the title race, a couple of European games), so it would probably take in the order of 15-20 years to pay back the costs of building a new stadium, maybe less if the increased attendances at the big games have knock-on effects in the smaller games. Whether that's an acceptable time frame for return on the investment would be up to the Rovers board.
It's not Shamrock Rovers' stadium. They'd be absolutely insane to start building anything unless they had a million-year lease, and the SDCC aren't likely to build extra stands under any circumstances, especially when Rovers don't even fill the existing stadium more than a few times a season.
I think the potential usage for an extra stand from SDCC viewpoint would be to use the Stadium as an outdoor concert venue. It's still highly unlikely that they'd be willing to invest any funds at the moment. And, as has been pointed out, it would be madness for Rovers to go about spending huge sums on stands if they haven't got a watertight, extremely long term, lease.
The council and the club have obviously agreed something, though we don't know what. I'm not an expert on leases but I think the club would have a similar right to tenancy as renters do in houses, i.e. as long as they pay their rent and abide by reasonable increases, they can't be thrown out. And, let's face, there's no other football club in Dublin that could afford the rent. If the council and club both feel it would be beneficial to raise capacity, then they'll hammer out an agreement where both pay in proportion to what they expect to gain from it. The cost of construction is also at its lowest point in recent memory so it might be deemed prudent to invest now rather than later.
Not bothered with reading through the thread, so...
Is there not a UEFA rule with group stage games that all home games have to be in the same ground.