That might have been a Vatican flag, someone was waving it alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
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That might have been a Vatican flag, someone was waving it alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Crikey Tets, don't bring the Vatican into it!
There was a yellow Ulster flag in the ROI end in a photo I saw.
Just for the record, I think booing GSTQ is juvenile and disrespectful, and damaging to our reputation. I don't know if it was widespread or not as I missed the first 15 minutes. I don't condone booing of anyone's anthem, although I wasn't too fussed when we played Yugoslavia after their civil war.
some people on ybig.ie said they saw someone waving a Vatican flag, I didn't notice it myself, but I didn't notice a yellow Ulster flag either
Guy at 2:26 perhaps?:Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9eUq...ature=youtu.be
No, we should just respect their choice of bloody anthem FFSQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Tets, There is a recognised "Ulster Flag" used by the GAA. Its yellow and Red. You would know it if you saw it. Its often seen at Ulster Rugby Matches and is flown at every Ulster GAA Championship match. It was present in LR the other night.
Danny, that was a Vatican flag at 2.26 alright. What kind of fool brings a flag that does nothing but say "I'm a catholic" in a game against a country beset by sectarian division? Words fail me.
Like they would respect ours??Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Or our country or citizens, culture, flag??
Fear more a certain Reality check is needed by some....
FFS.
:rolleyes:
I don't agree with booing a countryside anthenm eithier but the Northern Ireland fans didn't exactely sing the most plesant of songs all night and on the ss I think there brilliant I'd rather have them singing Celtic sings and doing the poznan than have no atmosphere what's so ever.
so what does sinking to their level achieve?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
This is the one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/extrati...0231/lightbox/Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Saw it at the match, I initially thought it was an Antrim GAA match because there were so many West Belfast fans down for the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Then realised what it was.
No place for it, the Orange Order flag, Union Jack, RIR flag, or Celtic tops (or any other non-Irish club tops) at the match.
Don't have an issue with other tops (even Linfield)
C'mon now; you wouldn't even boo this countryside anthem?:Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikn9jdn_MUk
Aaaarrrrrrgggghhh... I'm traumatised just looking at the still, DI...
The Orange Order flag was certainly present; two clowns proudly stretching it out in front of them at 2:51 in the video I posted above. Is it a common site in Windsor or was it just brought down to be provocative? NI fans will argue that the Union flag is their flag, however, and, as far as officialdom is concerned, they wouldn't be far wrong. The Ulster Banner, the flag under which the IFA teams play, actually has no official status in NI and is an outmoded unionist flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman
The Orange Order flag is NEVER flown at Windsor Park. They wouldn't get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
the most interesting banner i saw tuesday was along the lines of "FAI - HANDS OFF OUR PLAYERS - KEEP GIBSON"! nothing too offensive in it but there was a bit of an argument on the north stand as some over powered security bloke tried to rip it from the fans holding it up. bit of an over reaction by the security i think
Quite an achievement to see humour sustain itself through such ill-informed intolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Nothing especially.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
It's just a wee mark of protest.
Have you ever protested at anything??
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Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
ok, that was at the other side of the stadium to me, I didn't see itQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I would like to propose banning all booing, namely booing of the opposition, booing the linesman, booing the referee, booing one's own players, booing Trap, booing the hotdog man. In fact, in line with the PA Man, we should applaud the opposition, the linesman even if he gives a dodgy offside against us, applaud the ref even if he gives a peno against us, applaud the FAI for the ticket prices, applaud the PA man for being a total plonker and ban all cheering for one's own side lest it be deemed offensive to the opponents. In fact, we should let the opposition win then they will all be happy with no offense taken.
This is hillarious, I've been going to games since 88 and my only gripe is when our fans are not making noise/singing. I'm in London now and watched the game on Sky, the boo'ing of the anthem was hardly worth noting, not commented on, and as for singing new songs, what is wrong with people? I don't care if they have been heard at Celtic Park, Poznan, Wrestle Mania or the EuroVison, they obviously help the atmosphere which is most important.
Some people on here sound like they are going to the opera or the library. In the words of a crazy corkman, 'get over it'
Maybe for a couple of people it's about general songs or atmosphere or whatever, but the thread title is about booing the anthem. And whether it was 'understandable' or NI fans started it first or other nations do it is irrelevant - it's occurrence, even in a minority, is embarrassing.
It's never good, but am I embarrased by it, no. I think it is been blown out of all proportion by some people on here, who are the same people which have brought the unacceptable singing of non secteranian songs into the thread also. In a perfect world noone would boo an anthem regardless of their feelings, but compared to most countries our booing would barely register.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
There's an awful lot of self-righteousness in this thread.
Roy Keane (& Bertie) got booed during the opening of the Special Olympics which was somewhat less contentious, but there was no great public outcry.
It's part of Life, some people need to get over that.
Who isn't over it? Are you suggesting there is a great public outcry in this case (when we're simply an infinitesimally small corner of the internet talking about a niche subject)?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Most importantly IMO - why can't we just call the booing of an anthem a load of silly, juvenile nonsense without people resorting to whataboutery? Just because it exists - it happens, it's part of 'Life', it's naive to expect otherwise - doesn't make it condonable or right. And even then, I don't think it's so prevalent that we should shrug and accept it. If we're a relatively respectful bunch of fans we should maintain that standard and call it straight - anthem booing is childish, stupid and embarrassing, whether it's 60 fans for 20 seconds or 6,000 fans for two minutes.
I don't think that's unreasonable and it certainly doesn't require Alan Sugar-esque get realisms in response.
Is that why no one could get anywhere near 200 feet of the Queen?Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
On the flag issue.
Basque
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ountry.svg.png
Ulster
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Ulster.svg.png
Vatican City
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n_City.svg.png
I'm not trying to confuse the flag issue anymore than it has been, but I also saw a guy with a Palestine flag. :D
John 3:16Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Ive never seen foot.ie so divided. I haven't seen what the reaction is from those NI fans there.
I don't like the booing of anthems, we come across as neandarthal apes like those we came across in some of those other countries we have gone to out east. Sometimes booing is just seen as intimidation but where we have a shared contrived history with the north it is certainly a lot more than this.
I see that we are all very much divided on this and it saddens me.
Cheer up Paul. Think of Ros beating Sligo last summer.
I don't think it's a sign of any great malaise among our support. I suspect the opposition drew out more than a fair share of our latent muppetry. The Vatican flag kind of proves this point.
Spot on, couldn't have said it better:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
The booers just embarrass themselves. The OWC crowd are certainly used to it and have heard much worse before.
In a masochistic sort of way they encourage it and take the hit, then run off to their hovels and moan about how the rest of the world hate them. Even make a list of all the perceived insults inflicted upon them, as if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths.
Well its an us against the world attitude, in all small(possibly minded) communities who feel repressed or unjustified its a common mentality. Makes them feel stronger, a more togetherness.
I met this rabbi on the plane from boston to houston recently who had studied different "interest groups" told me something about these guys who preach the end of the world, like the mayan theory and that guy recently in the states, that the more evidence you put forward to them, the stronger their actual belief becomes and the more close knit the community becomes....
I'm pretty certain John3:16 is a "born again" type. Which'd make him a dissenter and unlikely to be carrying a papal flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
So the question stands -what manner of grade A moron brings a papal flag to ANY football game that doesn't involve Vatican Citeh FC? I'm guessing he's not a regular.
the same manner of grade A moron that brings a Basque flag to a game that doesn't include a Basque representative side?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
It may be a little 'silly', but given what that tune means, you need to have a little perspective of history.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
And its symbolism in an Irish context!
Bar a few paranoid R*ngers fans, if it had been Scotland v. 'Ingerland' for instance, the 'booing' would have been somewhat more substantial.
And guessing your average Derry City fan would be none too keen on hearing it, or do they play it before every home game??
:rolleyes:
Ultimately, it's irrelevant to all but diehard unionists on this island....
Or a palestine flag...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Ironically you'd be the first one to cream your trunks were Amhrán na bhFiann booed by anyone and you'd be the first to shout "intolerant bigots".Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy