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30/04/2022, 4:46 PM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by SkStu

What team would you build around Keane so?

I've briefed Stephen. Watch this space.
30/04/2022, 4:57 PM
nigel-harps1954

Saw a fair few remarks around the time of the Lithuania game from Wigan fans that he was used wrong by Ireland. Doesn't play as an out and out striker for Wigan, drops a little deeper and plays more of a number 10 role.
30/04/2022, 5:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

So you were suggesting that Kenny isn't picking Keane (despite Kenny being the one who called him up and started him in our most recent game) because the fans don't like him enough because he wasn't born in Ireland?

He will play again. If he doesn't make an impact for Ireland it won't matter how many goals he scores at club level though. I like him and thought he offered something different against Belgium.

I've made my point about Keane. You disagree - fair enough. My other comment was on Keane's popularity (or lack of) within the fanbase. You disagree, again fair enough but please don't extrapolate what's not there. Your ally introduced Kenny, not me. Can I go now?
30/04/2022, 5:19 PM
ontheotherhand

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Saw a fair few remarks around the time of the Lithuania game from Wigan fans that he was used wrong by Ireland. Doesn't play as an out and out striker for Wigan, drops a little deeper and plays more of a number 10 role.

It was in those deeper positions that I thought he looked more useful in his brief cameo v Belgium. Doesn't look like he likes playing much further forward with his back to goal but he looked like he knew how to take the ball in tight space and move it well.

Where does he score most of his goals?
30/04/2022, 5:33 PM
ontheotherhand

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

I've made my point about Keane. You disagree - fair enough. My other comment was on Keane's popularity (or lack of) within the fanbase. You disagree, again fair enough but please don't extrapolate what's not there. Your ally introduced Kenny, not me. Can I go now?

So your posts about Kenny weren't about Kenny? Yeah you can go. You successfully united a Rovers and Bohs fan to be fair. Not a bad little Saturday.
30/04/2022, 5:44 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

I've briefed Stephen. Watch this space.

No seriously. You come on here taking little digs at the fans, the �system� and that it should be sacrificed for Keane as a guaranteed starter. What formation and team do you think we should put out to get the most out of him?

FWIW, I like Keane and happy to have a decent goalscorer (albeit only proven at a lower level) in the squad fighting for his place. I just don�t think he�s a guaranteed starter and it rankles a little that him not walking into the team and throwing the long term plan out the window is being used to take a dig at SK. And the fans.
30/04/2022, 7:43 PM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by SkStu

No seriously. You come on here taking little digs at the fans, the “system” and that it should be sacrificed for Keane as a guaranteed starter. What formation and team do you think we should put out to get the most out of him?

FWIW, I like Keane and happy to have a decent goalscorer (albeit only proven at a lower level) in the squad fighting for his place. I just don’t think he’s a guaranteed starter and it rankles a little that him not walking into the team and throwing the long term plan out the window is being used to take a dig at SK. And the fans.

I'll put a team up before the next match when I "come on here". You look on whatever I say as pejorative. You call criticisms "digs" etc. Accept everyone won't always agree with you.
30/04/2022, 7:53 PM
tetsujin1979

We have a rule here gentle sirs, debate the post, not the poster.
This is not aimed at anyone in particular, just a reminder.
30/04/2022, 9:42 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

I'll put a team up before the next match when I "come on here". You look on whatever I say as pejorative. You call criticisms "digs" etc. Accept everyone won't always agree with you.

I�m totally fine with differences of opinion and love some healthy debate but, in that spirit, I�m entitled to ask questions to understand better what you are seeing that�s different to what I am seeing. But you�ve avoided one simple question twice now so I�ll leave it at that.

�He deserves an automatic starting spot but SK and the fanboys don�t like him because he wasn�t born in Ireland� is a take that needs some additional explanation or evidence. That�s all.
01/05/2022, 3:12 AM
John83

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Saw a fair few remarks around the time of the Lithuania game from Wigan fans that he was used wrong by Ireland. Doesn't play as an out and out striker for Wigan, drops a little deeper and plays more of a number 10 role.

It might be interesting to try playing him off of Idah or Obafeme in the summer. You'd want a good wide player up there with them though, or we'd ask too much of the wingbacks.
01/05/2022, 9:01 PM
nigel-harps1954

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Originally Posted by John83

It might be interesting to try playing him off of Idah or Obafeme in the summer. You'd want a good wide player up there with them though, or we'd ask too much of the wingbacks.

It might just be a case that he doesn't fit into Kennys system, and while there's other strikers out there who do fit, it's probably not worth changing things to fit a player who's scored goals at League One level.
01/05/2022, 9:39 PM
paul_oshea

At the moment as we've found some goal scoring form whether accidently stumbled upon or a shrewd tactical change the case for having a league 1 striker scoring freely isn't as strong as you suggest, but it would be prudent to have tried and tested another option that may well be needed in the future and within a game/games.
05/05/2022, 2:43 PM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by SkStu

I�m totally fine with differences of opinion and love some healthy debate but, in that spirit, I�m entitled to ask questions to understand better what you are seeing that�s different to what I am seeing. But you�ve avoided one simple question twice now so I�ll leave it at that.

�He deserves an automatic starting spot but SK and the fanboys don�t like him because he wasn�t born in Ireland� is a take that needs some additional explanation or evidence. That�s all.

Could you please call up the post in which the above direct quote, which you attribute to me, appears. Thanks.
05/05/2022, 4:10 PM
SkStu

No. It’s a summary of what you said across quite a few posts. Feel free to correct my interpretation.
06/05/2022, 3:07 AM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by SkStu

No. It�s a summary of what you said across quite a few posts. Feel free to correct my interpretation.

A textbook example of turning the subjective into the pejorative: �SK and the fanboys don�t like him�.

I stand firmly by my opinion as stated. I think Keane should start in the NL. His record and versatility deserves it. All fans are biased towards certain players for various reasons. Nothing new there. I did not bring Kenny into the discussion and, though not a fan, I believe him a fair person. But like all managers he has favourites (IMO) and in this context if a hot-prospect Keane had been Irish-born, raised and coached by Kenny before injury plagued a major part of his fledgling career I believe his belated chances following a standout season would be enhanced. Human nature.
A storm in a teacup.
06/05/2022, 4:15 AM
ontheotherhand

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

A textbook example of turning the subjective into the pejorative: �SK and the fanboys don�t like him�.

I stand firmly by my opinion as stated. I think Keane should start in the NL. His record and versatility deserves it. All fans are biased towards certain players for various reasons. Nothing new there. I did not bring Kenny into the discussion and, though not a fan, I believe him a fair person. But like all managers he has favourites (IMO) and in this context if a hot-prospect Keane had been Irish-born, raised and coached by Kenny before injury plagued a major part of his fledgling career I believe his belated chances following a standout season would be enhanced. Human nature.
A storm in a teacup.

So you didn't bring Kenny into the discussion (despite saying you were talking about Kenny) but you want to now? And again, you think that Kenny would prefer Keane over e.g. Robinson if Keane had been Irish born?
06/05/2022, 5:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

So you didn't bring Kenny into the discussion (despite saying you were talking about Kenny) but you want to now? And again, you think that Kenny would prefer Keane over e.g. Robinson if Keane had been Irish born?

skStu introduced Kenny in a post claiming I was only using the Keane issue to get at Kenny. I absolutely wasn’t. I believe that currently Keane should start on merit. I do not believe Kenny is biased, as explained above, but he’s the manager and If he doesn’t start Keane I will criticise him for the same reasons as would other posters who disagree with a selection.
06/05/2022, 8:18 AM
John83

Guys, you've made your points. Let's not make a big thing of it.
06/05/2022, 11:58 AM
elatedscum

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

like all managers he has favourites (IMO) and in this context if a hot-prospect Keane had been Irish-born, raised and coached by Kenny before injury plagued a major part of his fledgling career I believe his belated chances following a standout season would be enhanced. Human nature.
A storm in a teacup.

�raised and coached by Kenny�

The issue is, the underage players who were coached by Kenny are all ages 19-24 now. So they�re all very much on the upswing. Keane is 29.

As far as I remember, the only 2 players who played for Kenny at Dundalk are McGrath and Horgan, neither of whom made the last squad and then there�s James McClean who is a total different category with 90+ caps to his name, 150+ premier league appearances etc etc

Not much evidence of a non-irish born bias. The likes of Arter and O�Dowda have received some pretty favourable call ups, while Ciaran Clark was briefly harshly done by.
06/05/2022, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elatedscum

“raised and coached by Kenny“

The issue is, the underage players who were coached by Kenny are all ages 19-24 now. So they’re all very much on the upswing. Keane is 29.

As far as I remember, the only 2 players who played for Kenny at Dundalk are McGrath and Horgan, neither of whom made the last squad and then there’s James McClean who is a total different category with 90+ caps to his name, 150+ premier league appearances etc etc

Not much evidence of a non-irish born bias. The likes of Arter and O’Dowda have received some pretty favourable call ups, while Ciaran Clark was briefly harshly done by.

1. Irish-born and raised - and coached by Kenny.

2. It was a hypothetical about Keane. I’m aware of the age differential.

Thanks.
06/05/2022, 1:42 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

Who else should be relegated to "around the squad" because of that collective embarrassment v Lithuania? Keane and his 26-goal season should be bench warming while we prefer someone nowhere near as prolific? That would make no sense though, no doubt, "system" huggers would mount a challenge.

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

I was unaware I was under subpoena. Keane has one start and minutes against Portugal and Belgium. You'd dismiss a 27-goal striker on that basis? I don't. My other point was he'd have more support from the fanbase, given the season he's had, if he was Irish born and raised. It's an opinion, like it or lump it.

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

Bizarre school of thought it might be, but I believe a 27-goal striker should be preferred to a 10-goal striker. I also think the positivity you reference should place Keane in the NL starting line-up, not on the bench. Yes, it's about Kenny - he picks the team. Anything else, your Honour(s)?

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

I've made my point about Keane. You disagree - fair enough. My other comment was on Keane's popularity (or lack of) within the fanbase. You disagree, again fair enough but please don't extrapolate what's not there. Your ally introduced Kenny, not me. Can I go now?

Its all here buddy.
06/05/2022, 1:51 PM
Snapshot

Reads great, I’m proud of it. Thanks for going to all that trouble.
06/05/2022, 2:02 PM
tetsujin1979

Take it the inboxes lads, or move on
06/05/2022, 2:38 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

Reads great, I’m proud of it. Thanks for going to all that trouble.

cheers hun x
15/08/2022, 3:11 AM
samhaydenjr

Opened his account for the season on Saturday against Bristol City: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62445232
13/09/2022, 9:25 PM
pineapple stu

Third of the season for Wigan this evening, and he's stepping up to the new level well. Hasn't impressed for Ireland yet, but maybe with Obafemi out of favour and Parrott in a team that can't score, he might be an option this month
14/09/2022, 8:15 AM
Fixer82

Would love to see him a few more times for Ireland before judging. Some players take a while to hit their groove in a new team
02/10/2022, 1:22 AM
samhaydenjr

Opened the scoring against Rotherham to notch his fourth of the season - I'd be interested in seeing how he would work as a target man with Obafemi partnering him, so perhaps he should get some good minutes in the friendlies
02/10/2022, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by samhaydenjr

Opened the scoring against Rotherham to notch his fourth of the season - I'd be interested in seeing how he would work as a target man with Obafemi partnering him, so perhaps he should get some good minutes in the friendlies

Scored a bucketful last season in L1 and is now looking good in the Championship. I can understand the preference for Obafemi, who could be the new Robbie, and Ogbene who is also scoring and playing very well. But for Keane to be dropped from the recent match-day squad was ridiculous. What does he have to do? Score goals?
02/10/2022, 12:00 PM
Eirambler

Not be turning 30 in January is the honest answer to that I think.

If you have a choice between a 20 year old, a 22 year old, a 25 year old and a 29 year old, all with limited international experience, it probably makes sense to favour the ones who aren't 29.
02/10/2022, 1:42 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by samhaydenjr

Opened the scoring against Rotherham to notch his fourth of the season - I'd be interested in seeing how he would work as a target man with Obafemi partnering him, so perhaps he should get some good minutes in the friendlies

Wouldn't mind seeing him paired with Obafemi in November, and similar with Robinson and Obafemi. Need to see different combinations work together as that front two.

Only issue in my mind is any combination I think of is someone plus Obafemi which brings a big problem of over relying on Obafemi whose had his fitness issues early in his career. Hopefully his fitness issues were more down to his lifestyle off the pitch as Hasenhuttl talked about rather than being injury prone.

Pity Idah has been injury prone these last two seasons cause I think himself and Obafemi could be a cracking front two for us.
02/10/2022, 5:35 PM
mark12345

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Originally Posted by JR89

Wouldn't mind seeing him paired with Obafemi in November, and similar with Robinson and Obafemi. Need to see different combinations work together as that front two.

Only issue in my mind is any combination I think of is someone plus Obafemi which brings a big problem of over relying on Obafemi whose had his fitness issues early in his career. Hopefully his fitness issues were more down to his lifestyle off the pitch as Hasenhuttl talked about rather than being injury prone.

Pity Idah has been injury prone these last two seasons cause I think himself and Obafemi could be a cracking front two for us.

Keane should be paired with Obafemi, as you say. They are our most potent pair of strikers and for some strange Keane is frowned upon
02/10/2022, 7:10 PM
third policeman

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Keane should be paired with Obafemi, as you say. They are our most potent pair of strikers and for some strange Keane is frowned upon

There?s a sense with Keane that but for injuries, he might have been a pretty decent player. He?s not really shown much in his cameos for us, but if he continues to score goals, he deserves a chance as much as any of our Championship players.
02/10/2022, 7:11 PM
third policeman

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Originally Posted by third policeman

There?s a sense with Keane that but for injuries, he might have been a pretty decent player. He?s not really shown much in his cameos for us, but if he continues to score goals, he deserves a chance as much as any of our Championship players.

Not sure why the rogue question marks appeared there. Sloppy typing I guess.
02/10/2022, 7:37 PM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by third policeman

Not sure why the rogue question marks appeared there. Sloppy typing I guess.

Site issue’s at the moment I think.
02/10/2022, 8:21 PM
pineapple stu

I trust that was a deliberate rogue apostrophe!
03/10/2022, 12:28 PM
Demesne Lad

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

Not be turning 30 in January is the honest answer to that I think.

If you have a choice between a 20 year old, a 22 year old, a 25 year old and a 29 year old, all with limited international experience, it probably makes sense to favour the ones who aren't 29.

Of the top 10 scorers in the EFL Championship so far this season, one has 7 goals, three have 6 and six have 5. Average age is 25.9 years. Top Republic of Ireland scorers (4 goals) are Ogbene (25) and Keane (29).
03/10/2022, 12:44 PM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by Demesne Lad

Of the top 10 scorers in the EFL Championship so far this season, one has 7 goals, three have 6 and six have 5. Average age is 25.9 years. Top Republic of Ireland scorers (4 goals) are Ogbene (25) and Keane (29).

Hogan has five.
03/10/2022, 1:47 PM
Demesne Lad

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

Hogan has five.

Correct -- I overlooked Hogan (blush). It does make the consistent preference for Parrott and Obafemi in the Ireland starting XI harder to understand if points now rather than points in the future are important.
04/10/2022, 6:51 AM
Eirambler

On a minutes per goal basis I'd say Obafemi's stats are probably fine, he hasn't had a huge amount of game time this season. Parrott harder to justify right now, he needs to find form.

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