Oh God, don't start another flippin' conspiracy! Worst thing is, it's not implausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Oh God, don't start another flippin' conspiracy! Worst thing is, it's not implausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I don't think Keogh starting is so bad in the scheme of things. Trap's cleared the deck, everyone originally named in the squad, bar Treacy and the goalies, are getting a start. I think that's a good thing. If Keogh's playing wide and deep, I'll be more disappointed but I suspect he'll play further forward and look to link with Long and McCarthy.
As has been pointed out Wilson and Whelan have gone home, with Stokes and Delaney called up so bench will be something like:
Darren Randolph
David Forde
Damien Delaney
Anthony Stokes
Keith Treacy
Aidan McGeady
Darron Gibson
So, more likely 4-3-1-2?
------Goalie------
RB-----CB---CB----LB
Lawrence--Green--Fahey
------McCarthy----
----Long--Keogh----
Makes sense. Maybe just a plain old 4-4-2 with Green and McCarthy.
I'm pretty sure that Tony O'Donoghue asked Trappatoni in the aftermath of the Macedonia game would he consider changing the system. And the answer was no.
He has started every game with the same formation. I'd like him to try something different but I'm not convinced he feels the need to do so. I think we'll line-up as follows
Westwood
Foley, Kelly, O'Dea, Clark;
Lawrence, McCarthy, Green, Fahey;
Long, Keogh.
Thats even better if its the case that he is willing to put Mccarthy in midfield in his normal 4-4-2 system, as it means we could realistically see him start there if away to Macedonia if he performs really well in the next 3 games.
What height is mccarthy? He looked physically imposing Saturday.
Ask Google. That chap knows everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
google returns vary between 5"9 and 5"11, I'd have him at the upper end of that scale, he looked huge when he came on against MacedoniaQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
pic of him in the star standing tall for the anthem, hes around the same height as shane long, tiny bit smaller just.
rte.ie have updated their page with the lineup: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/...nd_kellys.html
so it's going to look like thisQuote:
Having made his first competitive appearance off the bench against Macedonia, Wigan's James McCarthy will start behind the lone striker Shane Long between Andy Keogh and Liam Lawrence and in front of Keith Fahey and Paul Green.
Kelly will be in the centre of defence with Ciaran Clark on the left, Darren O'Dea in the centre and Kevin Foley on the right.
Keiren Westwood continues in goal in the absence of Shay Given.
Keogh was on the left for the South Africa game in Limerick, and was terrible. I said at the time it was clear he had no control with his left foot and never should be played there again. Clark could be in for a busy nightCode:Westwood
Foley Kelly(c) O'Dea Clark
Lawrence Fahey Green Keogh
McCarthy
Long
Presumably Keogh and Lawrence will play further forward than in our traditional flat four? I'd hope Keogh can cut inside from the wing and link closely with McCarthy and Long as opposed to playing up and down the touchline. I'd share your concern if that happened.
I'd be really happy with that team except for Keogh LHM. He's on a hiding to nothing if they line up like that.It'll just have people on his back.
Wilson grew up supporting us and has been playing with our various under-age sides for about seven years. I wouldn't doubt his commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I'm talking more about a possible row with Trap over not being picked. Still, he's probably ill or injured as said.
Delighted with that team. it brings a bit of excitement to the game. Green and keogh are the only issues I have with it, green is one of the worst players I've ever seen in an Ireland shirt while keogh has proved time and again that he can't play on the wing.
Would someone like Wes Hoolahan not have been a better option there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Does a fan ever achieve a state of complete satisfaction?
Kelly will start in the centre for two reasons: he's the most experienced defender left in the squad and he's right footed.
I'm surprised Treacy isn't playing instead of Keogh. With five men in midfield, Keogh is probably going to have to push out wide and, as mentioned, he's not got a great left foot. If he comes inside as you'd expect him to, he'll be running into congestion all the time.
Still, it's good to see Trap varying the system and obviously very excited to see how McCarthy gets on. With Fahey, Lawrence and McCarthy all in midfield, we have no excuses for not being able to control our fair share of the possession.
McGeady causes an extra problem for defenders because he can take them on the outside or cut inside and hit the ball with his right or left.
I think there are better options in the squad - Treacy & McGeady. I like Hoolahan but he has been playing very much in the Zidane-role lately, albeit not quite with such applomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
I agree, I was just lining it up as I thought they will tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
delighted with the selections, lookin at new players and a new system. this is what weve been calling on him to do in every recent friendly.
fahey and mccarthy through the middle, not one but 2 talented footballers in the engine room!!
mama mia giovanni, bellisimo
The kind of formation I'd like to see with our first team Squad at some point. Doyle's a very good lone front man. Duff and McGeady excellent in flanking roles. McCarthy pushing on with Whelan and Meyler (please God, someday) sitting/Destroying. Would only be feasable in Keane's absence though(Or maybe away in Russia) as Goals would be hard to come by.
we could just drop keane off doyle away to russia in the 4-4-1-1 formation. simple.
I dunno.. They p***** all over us in the middle of the park at home with Keane and Doyle up front.
I don't think ive been this excited by a friendly in a very long time.
Will Forlan's woman be in attendance?
To the totty thread !!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Any streams for this?
You'll find enough links here
My pee to pee
When was the last time Ireland played a friendly match away from home?
I mean including outside the British Isles.
McCarthy and Fahey is going to be very interesting. Against a top team as well. Fascinating to see how we line up and play.
Uruguay are ranked 7th I need to take a look at betting, might be able to get a decent price :D
For reference:-
---------------Westwood----------------
Foley------O'Dea--------Kelly------Clark
-------------Green---Fahey------------
--Lawrence--------------------- Keogh
-----------------McCarthy--------------
------------------ Long----------------
Conspiracy theory,
Kelly at CH/Keogh out wide, are selected to ensure that this experiment will fall flat on its face and we'll be back to the trusted basics for the next game.
I must say this is the first time I have seen the team and I was shocked at first!!
I think Trap is asking a lot of player to step up to the mark as opposed to play a more supporting role.
This could all end in tears. :tremble:
Green and Fahey could do okay in midfield together. Green may not have the required skill or confidence on the ball, but he does get stuck in, and in Fahey (unlike Whelan) he's got a partner who's very comfortable on the ball. Whelan / Fahey is a partnership I'd like to see played against a half-decent international side, though, because Whelan is far more accomplished than Green.
Perhaps I'm clutching at straws but the partnership could work, particularly in a friendly . . .
Other than that, I really don't know why Trap persists with Keogh on the wing. With McGeady coming into form, why give Keogh gametime in a position he's ill-suited to? Giving him the last 30 minutes on in place of Long / McCarthy would make a lot more sense. Though perhaps Trap sees Keogh as a winger (which nobody else, even Keogh himself, sees him as . . .)?
I think that makes more sense, Long and Keogh up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Yep that looks more sensible.
Midfield of McCarthy and Green.
Mind you the formation will be somewhat irrelevant when it is ripped apart
by Uraguay, it will be whatever shape they leave it in :p
On a more serious point, anyone know anything about the Uruguay team.
I certainly don't but I expect they will be doing something experimental too.
Shame it clashes with the England Ghana match, if like to watch that too, job for the recorder I think.
tricky if he plays your formation then ill be ****ed off that its koegh on the wing and lesser extent Lawrence.imagine Mccarthy with mcgeady and Duff on the wings?i think Mccarthy behind koegh and long could be good.but that goes against him saying he wouldn't change the formation or system which i think Geysir mentioned last week.
home draw away
13/5 11/5 11/10
Seems the bookies don't fancy us.