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Presumably for the same reasons the rest of us are expected to fulfill games in a stadium that has seen rascist chanting, bottles thrown, pitch invasions, away players confronted on the pitch, attacks on the LUAS or are you suggesting SDCC Stadium should not be allowed host games either ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
Well if Derry won't take responsibility and the PSNI won't take responsibility, who will and why should the games be played there if nobody does?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
Please dont turn this into a Shams v Bohs pi*sing match
Have the incidents been reported to Derry City FC or the PSNI?
Edit: And if so, what has been the response?
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Originally Posted by dfx-
Should Shamrock be held accountable for the attack by ten of their supporters on one teenage Rovers supporter on Church hill road a few weeks back? Or is that Sligo Rovers problem?
Anyone here old enough to remember the boot boys era?
Was too young but the first cousin has told me some 'interesting' stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Army
Would it make a difference if they have?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfc_1928
How can Rovers not expect this type of reaction when their board do nothing to stop it?? They don't bother banning people, more interested in their €€€€€
In before the lock :)
YOu could then have legitimate complaints and a right to an answer, rather than just moaning on the internetQuote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
For whatever it's worth, the security alert close to the Brandywell that was mentioned earlier in the thread(it was the Courthouse in town if anyone knows the place) turned out to be a stolen car with 50kg of home made explosives. A nearby care home had to be evacuated. It's things like this in this day and age that makes me feel ashamed to be a Derry man. Part of me thinks things will just get worse but that's a story for another day. Anyways, back on topic debating if Rovers are scum/ how much security a football club should provide to visiting fans. . .
Heres a tip for the Derry fans.
Just deny it ever happened, demand some sort of video or photographic evidence, if that evidence is provided and indeed does show a bus getting bricked then claim the evidence has been doctored.
Then go onto your own forum and start crying about how your fans ar being victimised and how opposition fans either fabricate all storys or just exagerate minor incidents.
Then organise a very bad boycott of foot.ie.
Tried and tested.
we shouldnt really be debating incidents that happen outside the ground. Or if we do, then we shouldnt be attempting to apportion blame on a club. If we want to blame certain fans it shouldnt be unless there is actual evidence (real or doctored) of fans being involved (eg Bohs fans in Derry).
The incidents we should debate are the ones (which are seldom in most cases) that occur inside the grounds. What happens outside the ground for the most part is public disorder that is the responsibility of the police force to police.
A disgrace those dissidents alright, planting a bomb on monday when I specifically told them the shams were there on friday night :)Quote:
Originally Posted by horton
Agree, and unfortunately the situation with the cops in Derry makes it a kind of unique situation. However considering the lack of interest from people on here and elsewhere I assume the same lack of interest will be shown should any minor incident occur away from the stadium in Tallaght this season, instead of mass hysteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Would you rather just continue a bitchfest on t'internet?
Tell me what happened and where it happened, and I will personally make sure that Derry City FC are informed.
Have you got details of what buses were damaged and where they were hired from?
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Originally Posted by dfx-
there havent been too many incidents in tallaght though has there, hoopy? Not having a go but most of the stupid incidents mentioned here have happened in the stadium? The only thing i can think of is when the cops waded into the Bohs fans on the Luas for no apparent reason... im struggling to think of another major incident which occured outside the ground that was mentioned here...Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
where in hell do rovers fans get 50kg of home made explosives? i mean they must of used up all the supply of the crumlin and drimagh ladsQuote:
Originally Posted by horton
Put May 7th down in your diary and check this mb for the awful tales of woe from the previous night's away fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Grand so, I'll let the Derry team know you seem convinced they won't make it out of Dublin without being attacked. Out of curiosity, have you any photos of the damage caused?Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
Honestly, will you stop going on about Rovers fans are scum! I am fully aware that a few arseholes in Rovers colours cause trouble. Real Rovers fans, and I would imagine all the Rovers fans on here dont want them at the club. As i was entering Tallaght stadium for the Pats game 4 Gardai and 3 stewards were preventing 6 lads from going in, so there is action being taken. I wouldnt call Pats / Dundalk / Bohs fans scum despite having a bad element. But I sure would expect the Shamrock Rovers Board, The local Gardai and/or South Dublin county council to ensure whoever visits Tallaght Stadium that they can come and go from the stadium safely.
Had St Pats had there bus bricked, I wouldn't turn around all smug like some people on here and say they brought that upon themselves because my mother and 2 younger sisters had fireworks thrown at them from the Emmet road leaving a match one night. I would be disappointed that Shamrock Rovers displayed a lack of professionalism and not provided basic safety for decent human beings wanting to support their club (and support ours by paying an admission fee)
All in all, I genuinely like people who support our league and I take great pride in wearing my colours in Spain and have people ask me what team is that or getting a bit of stick from other fans of the league on holiday. What I HATE is this stupid, childish mentality shown on forums, where people cant even make valid points on a topic because god forbid they agreed with a shams fan or a sligo / pats / bohs fan. Too busy slating people or a club than reading whats been said before it.
1) were you safe in the stadium? That is all that DCFC can assure anyone - why are you ignoring this point?? If you went to a gig in the olympia and your car was attacked on Dame Street on the way home would you blame the organisers of the gig or the owners of the Olympia?
2) is there any actual evidence of the attack on the bus or some photos of the damage caused?? All we seem to be going on is internet rumour.
I'm sure there are lots of pictures of shams supporters getting stoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Just not sure about the evidence of an attack.
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2) is there any actual evidence of the attack on the bus or some photos of the damage caused?? All we seem to be going on is internet rumour.[/QUOTE]
Had 2 mates on one of the buses, They were texting me about it on the way home before it came up on here so I'd say its true, Unless you think they all came up with a plan to go on the internet and text their mates and make up a lie so Rovers fans can look like the victims for once............. well it is a long trip home from Derry
its usually the first question asked and the first thing you have to provide once you make accusations on this forum (we were ordered to provide evidence of the racist chants at Ndo - Bohs fans didnt decide to make it up). I dont not believe it, what may be at doubt is how serious the attack was.
My first point was my main point and actually i think its the only point that really matters.
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Originally Posted by alltogethernow
I know that Dundalk officials were scathing in their private comments about the lack of co-operation from Shamrock Rovers for their visits to Oriel Park last season. There was plenty of posturing from the Rovers chairman after the infamous events in their first visit to Oriel, but little co-operation with advance ticket sales or stewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by horton
Attacks on fans inside or outside a stadium are unacceptable, but it is beyond time that the Shamrock Rovers board got serious and genuine about the issues and stopped paying lip service
Ezeikial, so if you are aware of the Rovers board not helping Dundalk in their efforts to provide security then this is exactly what I want to hear.. it is far more helpful than some sligo fan making the same statement for the 100th time that all shamrock rovers fans are scum! I am slightly annoyed if thats true because i am aware of several cases of people being banned from tallaght and away trips too. A very valid point might be for Derry City to turn around and say well we will give you 200 tickets on the condition you provide or pay for 50 steward to seperate your fans or something of that nature. The Rovers board have an obligation too.
and SKSTU, had the people attending the event at the Olympia been attacked on a frequent basis the Gardai would cancel the event after the 4th or 5th time. Or take other action.
Paul, as I gather it there was no issue with the Rovers fans inside the ground. The attacks occurred outside the ground, essentially outside the remit of DCFC. They are still totally unacceptable. However, it is still a bit of a balancing act in Derry at the minute with regards the police, and I've seen their presence in the city centre at closing time start riots. Calls for a police presence outside the ground would unfortunately cause more problems than they would solve at this time. And calls for Derry to be made to play their matches elsewhere? Anyone who has an inkling of our club's history knows that idea is a complete non-runner. Maybe a better idea would be segregated parking for Rovers/opposition support inside the Showgrounds, with the provision of alternative exit routes for buses and cars.
Out of interest, do you know where the attacks occurred? I'm not **** stirring, just would like to know the area, whether it was still the Brandywell area or further afield?
i would hope that they would attempt to police Dame Street better and that cancelling an event would therefore be needless - again the resolution you have proposed to the hypothetical situation doesnt involve the Olympia or gig organisers so i think youre being a bit disingenuous laying the blame at the door of DCFC. The bottom line is that there is very little that DCFC can do to ensure your safety Paul. Maybe you'd just be better off not travelling to Derry if it scares you that much?Quote:
Originally Posted by EivissaPaul
There is nothing being done. How many were barred after Dundalk? None. Your own fans admit that the board don't ban them because they are more interested in money.Quote:
Originally Posted by EivissaPaul
Maybe thats because Rovers and the local Police have regular meetings about how best to police the event, and ensure peoples safe passage, to and from the ground. Even with the bull$hit that goes with every rovers/bohs game there hasn't been any real incidents, and any that have occured are learned from and not repeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I just think that if a club can't/won't do anything to ensure the away Team bus safe entry and exit from their ground, there has to be something fundamentally wrong.
Are you even remotely serious SK ? there have been more incidents INCIDE SDCC stadium than anywhere in the entire League (presume I dont need to list them again :rolleyes: ). furhtermore a Director at shams continued serving on the board AFTER conviction for football hooliganism, what message does that send out to the troglydyte element ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sundance kid
None of this justifies the incidents in Derry or anywhere else but please spare us the "everywhere should be like Tallaght" nonsense because it doesnt stack up.
Sundance Kid, does that mean that if a visiting teams car/bus gets damaged, that SRFC will pay for the damages?
If not, then your agreeing DCFC isn't liable for what happens outside the ground. Take it up with the PSNI/local council instead.
If so, Mr A your lot owe me the price of a wing mirror!
SKSTU 'i would hope that they would attempt to police Dame Street better and that cancelling an event would therefore be needless' this is exactly what my point is.. The policing should be better.. ok It seems a completely different scenario in Derry and dealing with the PSNI so i wont continue using that as an example, but if for example pats fans were attacked outside dalymount, I believe Bohs should have enough contact with the Gardai to ensure there is enough police.. I am not laying the blame at the clubs door, but if i was on the board of a club i would want the garda presence sufficient for the fixture taking place and if the gardai failed to do so i would be asking serious questions as to why.. its the same with any big event.. concerts, protests etc.. mass volume of people = sufficient garda presence.
alltogethernow A fella i occasionally speak to, his brother was identified by shamrock rovers after being filmed causing trouble.. am failry sure he ended up in court in dundalk a couple weeks later.. Maybe Shamrock Rovers do need to get the arse in gear and be more proactive..
Check your fixture list. The cry babies'll be on here in force as they usually are the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by horton
He did appear in court but he still isn't banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by EivissaPaul
possibly not the same fella we are talking about then alltogethernow, this fella was a bit of an animal and has been banned as far as i know! but if Shamrock Rovers have identified people and not banned them themselves, that is disgraceful. I hope its not the case.
I think pineapple stu is going to have to come more active in these threads.
Every thread ends up in the same drivel, Rovers post something then sligo jump in and then bohs jump in. Turns into a serious Nadal Versus Federer
with posts bouncing all over the place.
I say we settle it with a full on 90 minute riot at the next Ireland home game.