If 2 grown men (or 2 groups of grown men) want to use each other as punch bags thats their own stupidity, and leave them at it- but it has no place in Turners Cross or any other football ground where there are innocent people who could get hurt
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If 2 grown men (or 2 groups of grown men) want to use each other as punch bags thats their own stupidity, and leave them at it- but it has no place in Turners Cross or any other football ground where there are innocent people who could get hurt
I think we all know City fans started it.
To be honest can you really call the Rovers fans scum for reacting? What are they meant to do quote Bible passages and turn the other cheek. If you saw City fans getting attacked what would you do? Some of it was over-acting from the Rovers fans but have no doubt it was OUR fans who showed themselves to be the SCUM the other night.
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Originally Posted by SÓC
Exactly.
Heres a question for everyone - if you could identify the home "fan" who got the first dig in would you inform on him???
whoever started that ****e has no place in a football ground and everything possible should be done to ban him- yesQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
I think you just answered your own question there Sean. A lot of City fans in the Shed or elsewhere saw missiles being thrown at City fans and a group of 15 Rovers fans charging out of the stand towards City fans (this has been admitted on the ultras board, doesn't matter why or what they were reacting to) so they ran to help the City fans already up there. It's called looking after your own. Ideally we'd all like if there was no trouble but what do you expect when Rovers are in town.Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
To be honest I'm saddened and very annoyed at some peoples reactions on here. I was expecting some people to take the moral high ground alright but to see certain people who are no angels most of the time themselves critisise there fellow City fans is a disgrace imo.
Depends who it was but if he was a City fan then I don't think I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Ye're all going on about the image of the club, having a City fan arrested and fined is hardly going to attract more families to the cross now is it? :rolleyes:
without the slightest hint of guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
there may be a possibility that a few young lads got caught up in the moment and banning them for the season rather than for good might wake them up but to be honest, the guys that were behind the crap friday night, i don't want them at the cross.
there were stewards up there and the number of city fans up there toally outnumbered the number of rovers fans. the people who ran up were either looking for trouble or trying to look like hard men- either way it was idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
I can't recall any people on this board being involved, or seeking to get involved, in violence at football matches. the only reactions which should sadden and annoy any TRUE city fan is the reaction of the idiots who blackened our clubs name on friday night by going looking for trouble and very nearly causing a minor incident (the arrest of a rovers fan) turn into a riot by their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
it would at least show that CCFC won't tolerate this kind of stupidity- even if some of their fans will :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
how many families are going to turn up the next time Rovers are in town if the club take no action Colm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
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Originally Posted by SÓC
spot on....its only 2 or 3 weeks since weve posted about general scobes actin like scumbags at matches,using city as a front to cause trouble.....does nybody else see that the club is gettin a bad name...the regular bottle throwing and now a fight,lowering ourselves to the level of the scum.....
the forum board should be full of threads about the quality of football on friday,bein our best performance,the big crowd etc. .....instead theres nearly 8pages of a B.ITCH FIGHT about who did what...at the end of the day,in the papers(echo in cork,in the herald up here on saturday) and on eL weekly 2nite the club,all the fans guilty or not will be branded the same - scumbags.
You're right there but I don't think it's fair for any of us to condemn those who were involved in Fridays minor incident because many of them are TRUE City fans aswell. It's not your position to tell somebody whether or not they're a true City fan, that's a very lordly thing to do! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
If the club is going to take action, why not ban Rovers fans as many clubs ahve done with Millwall in England. Surely that is the only way they can be sure there will be no trouble whatsoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Now that there seems to be a consensus that the trouble was caused by cork fans, you're solution is to ban the other clubs fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Anyone who got involved in that does not deserve to call themselves a true city fan, or even a football fan. I'll say it to their faces. At best they are idiots, at worst scumbags. There have been times at matches where I have felt like slapping sombody or throwing something, but I know there's a line you don't cross- every football fan knows that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
There was a time when I would have agreed with you- but the fact is that city fans kicked off the trouble, not rovers fans. If it had been the other way around, I might agree with you now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Ypu said earlier:
So when a rovers fan got removed from the ground and a city fan slapped a rovers fan and other city fans started firing stones down on the rovers section, what were the SRFC fans meant to do- stand there and take it? They were only looking after their own too. I'm not excusing the rovers fans who reacted, they are guilty too- but the same rules apply to everyone- how can you not see that? You're being totally hypocriticalQuote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Ok fair enough, it was only after the match that it emerged that City fans were to blame for starting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
But what about the City fans who started all the hassle in the first place.
I see what you're saying there alright but I am not being hypocritical. Rovers fans reacted and ran to protect their own, City fans did the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
The fact remains that Rovers fans were causing trouble in the first half when City fans were nowhere near them, ffs from the Shed we could see the Gardai and stewards all rushing into the stand and having an altercation at one point in the first half. And it all only kicked off as a Rovers fan was being arrested for a somethong which also had nothing to do with City fans.
At the moment when Rovers are involved in trouble it always seems to be someone elses fault. They had riot at Doyles Corner but that was the fault of the Gardai. And at the end of the game the evil Bohs stewards were assaulting the innocent defensless Rovers fans. In Drogheda a few weeks ago there was a minor incident and that was blamed on the local scumbags and on Friday in the Cross the City fans were to blame. I'm sorry I just don't buy it. I know the Herald article was way OTT but the one constant with corwd trouble in the el is Rovers fans.
Leaving aside anyone that "joined in" for the time being.
Its been reported that a city "fan" pretty much started everything by punching the rovers fan been renoved from the ground. How any ANYONE condone that action? How can you be "caught up in the moment" & do that. IMHO that person if caught should be banned from Turners Cross for life - it mayb be hard to enforce but should at least be attempted. Lennox comes across as a serious person with regards club reputation & such & i've no doubt he wouldn't even pause before banning such person.
Rovers have bad reputation & mostly deserved but would those who defending the city reaction have the same opinion if it was Longford or Derry fans? Its too simplistic to just brand the Rovers visitors as scum without seeing that people do come to city v rovers matches in hope of a scrap.
I'm not trying to paint Rovers as innocents here, far from it......yet there were certain City 'Fans' near enough to throw a dig at the guy arrested, where did they come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
Fact is, there is a unsavoury element within city who went looking for an opportunity to start something on Friday night. they should be turfed out, I don't care how long they've been going to games at the cross, their type isn't needed.
Hear hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
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Originally Posted by pete
without a doubt yes. childish twits.
Protect our own?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
We are not mesolithic cave men. The "fans" who did that are not "my own". I want nothing to do with them (either side). I go to a football match to enjoy, yes, a game of football. I dont want to see a bunch of moronic adults with no sense putting other people in danger and dragging down cork citys name and the LOIs name through the gutter.
Seeing as it was for the pride of leeside, and the rebel army marched on and all that bullshít, i wonder will Pat Dolans notes on friday say something to the tune of:
"I was filled with pride when i saw some members of the rebel army up tools and run toward the St Annes End to defend the honour of their fellow fans. I was filled with enormous pride to see them take their mind off a game we could easily have won, to see them throw missiles into the away section, in a heroic attampt to stand up to Rovers"
Fact is, anyone who is proud of what happened up there the other night, anyone who reckons they were "standing up to Rovers" needs a fúcking lobotomy.
Personally i reckon they should have tried to stick it to Rovers, by getting fully behind the team, and laughing til our throats were sore after helping them onto a great win and a valuable 3 points.
I believe it was NOTL who drew the pics in the fanzine.
Minimum expected. Good to see club taking swift action. Doesn't mean club can't add to ban in future. They should print their names/pics in programme next week so they be spotted if get in again.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreme rebel
I don't think naming and shaming them will do anything except give them a reputation, but what I do wonder is how City plan on enforcing the ban?
I was wondering the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by niamh
Not an easy thing to do you'd imagine?
Naming and Shaming is an excellent form of public humiliation.
Get Spillage to do something useful for a change and publish names and photos of these morons.
I'd imagine there would be legal implications associated with such action since no one has been convicted of any offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
If anything I think banning them will only give them a challenge as I'm sure they'll do their best to get in on Friday.
when applied to Xtreme rebel, right back at you Kev ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKev
No idea, only heard that someone punched as didn't see it myself...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKev
!!!! If they want to fight the guards in their section, let the guards deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
as far as i know, thats actually illegalQuote:
Originally Posted by xtreme rebel
Its nice that you've decided to stop being moronic and start being sarcastic :rolleyes: I spoke to people after the game about it because i was very angry at what had happened and wanted to find out what had happened, instead of wandering off into the night looking for hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKev
B) Simple. Let me add to that by saying that I would hope the security would be right and that would not happen in the first place and secondly that if the Rovers fans actually attacked people during a match they are entitled to defend themselves- what we saw on friday was a few George Bush wannabe scobes getting a pre-emptive strike in :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKev
i applaud super kev. some people on here just llove to moan beyond belief
move on from this for godsake.
He's got ya there Eanna!! You've not exactly been an angel yourself at times in the past so it's unfair to be critisising other City fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperKev
Exactly, some people get very easily upset. I agree it's time to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flynninio
i suppose would it be asking too much to lock this topic
Why? Is it not acceptable to criticise CCFC "fans"? I think people have a right to highlight the actions of certain hooligans in our midst.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
Why lock it?
Im full square behind Eanna. Its ironic but the posters who are squaring up verbally to Eanna are supporting city fans who were doing actions that these very same posters were accusing rovers fans of and calling them scum.
You cant have it both ways - you either condemn violence or you dont. Simple as that.
Most arguments there are usually grey areas. Here there is only black and white.
I see no reason to lock the thread.
There's less insults and personal abuse on here than in many of the threads.
There are a group of 'fans' who looked for an opportunity to cause trouble on Friday last and took it.
I don't why we should brush it under the carpet.
that's the final straw, lock it...Lock it Now!!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
There always a postgrad to drag another year out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
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Then get a job!Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreme rebel
:)
extreme rebel and eanna ye made yer points last week now fcuk n get a life. are ye writing from an asylum or what. how can anybody be so boring