Andy Reid has only come into form this and last season, very much underachieved until Harty got the best out of him. Lost some weight may I add too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
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Andy Reid has only come into form this and last season, very much underachieved until Harty got the best out of him. Lost some weight may I add too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Colm, what makes you think i've never seen O'Flynn play. Watched him in all the under 21 qualifiers he played and his goal against Germany. Always keep track of potential Irish players no matter what league they play in. Don't dismiss my comments as ignorance. If you'd read any of my other comments on this thread you'd know i rate him. My arguement is he is doing it in a league in which the standard is too low for International football. Just like the English 2nd Division is too low for Internationals to play in.
This is not discrimination against EL players. I don't want Partridge or the like called up either until they are regulars at very minimum Division 1 standard.
Exactly, if Ireland had 4-5 players playing & scoring regularily in the Premiership they would probabloy get the nod but they ain't so have to look at next tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I've only seen marginal cases against Bryne, crowe or O'flynn getting an Ireland callup.
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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Thats because they were able to benefit from Man U, liverpools co-efficients. In other words they got an english seeding. They started from the first round. Which means they got be two rounds. hardly awe inspiring.
Because of Bohs improved record in Europe they are seeded in this years UEFA Cup. The first time an irish club has been seeded in that competition. I can virtually predict to you because of that Bohs will get by their opponents. Being seeded makes a huge difference.
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Originally Posted by 1MickCollins
Good to see youre able to look into Crowes subtexs. Crowe is a full-time professional so no matter what you think of his ability, his fitness levels are just as good as english based players. In fact, if you've been reading the papers Kerr has been imposing rigid discipline on the squad and they have been complaining as a result. Proper preparation in other words - so its not just Crowe who thought it was intense.
In your case about Ipswich you point out that they coudnt get past Czech oposition. Now you want Irish football to do better than English football teams to prove that they are nearly as good as them? OddQuote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Of the two teams you mentiom above when did an Irish team meet either of them? Not for a long time, if at all. I think youre getting mixed up in your choice of teams :rolleyes: I suppose they are all the same. :rolleyes:
Maybe a good comparison would be comparing how Rovers did against Polish opposition and Manchester City did ? Rovers progressed, manchester didnt.
Getting knocked out by nobodies is getting knocked out by nobodies whether it be in a preliminary round or otherwise. Fair enough Bohs got knocked out by Rosenburg this year(very easily - 5 nil on aggregate if i remember rightly) who got knocked out by Depor, but Rosenburg are a shadow of their former selves. Until an El teams do better than beating BATE Borisov and the like you can't tell me it's a strong enough league for Irish Internationals to be playing in.
If you want to play that game- Shamrock Rovers played Slovan Liberec last season in the intertoto cup and lost both legs 2-0. This was a Shamrock Rovers side which finished 7th in the eircom League last season- 10 points off the bottom of the table, 20 behind Bohs and 25 behind Shels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
I honestly don't think that any of those 3 sides would do well in divison 1. They might scrape survival, but they would comfortably compete in divison 2. The standard of this league is improving and the players who are good enough should get international recognition. Right now there's a choice to be made- do we send the good players back to england and watch standards here fall ,or do we keep them here in the knowledge that if this trend continues, more quality players will follow. I'd rather the latter because it would raise the standard of Irish football and be good for the international team as well. Also, is it not better for a guy to play for Bohs or Shels and play 2, 3 or 4 european games a season than play in division 1 or 2 in the hope they draw a "big" team in a cup, so they can play their reserves? Can you find any fault with that argument?
Jason Byrne for ireland catch your self on ya dirty dublin jackeen *******.Jason Byrnes a wee ******. youse lads think hes deadly. Liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the chicken and the egg question. Irish internationals will improve the league but the league needs to improve to attract Irish internationals. One way is for the 'soccer community (basically barstoolers and 'connoisseurs' going to Parkhead and Old Trafford every weekend') to support their local teams, either through the gates or by lobbying for more TV coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowsy
They got Knocked out by Depor by 1-0 on agg to a team who are in the semi-finals of the european cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowsy
They went on to play in the UEfa cup. Against Ventspills they won 10-1 on agg.
The next round they beat Red Star Belgrade and only lost to Benfica on the away goals rule in the next round.
They have won the norwegian league again - cruise to the title.
They reached the champions league group stage god knows how many times in a row. Hardly a team in decline.
Strong arguement Eanna and i do think the League will continue to improve as many players now see it as a viable, if not more attractive, alternative to 2nd division football in England. It's a long term policy however. How do you balance holding back players like O'Flynn and Houlihan who could probably make it at the highest level and letting the league grow. Unless you want to compete with Northern Ireland then having players who play 2nd Division standard football in your National team shouldn't be an option. Therefore IMO at this stage players like Heffernan, Alan Quinn, etc shouldn't be called up either.
it is a very hard call to make, no doubt, but IMO Bohs beating Aberdeen and running Kaiserslautern close a few years back was a turning point. Since then the league has improved a a rapid pace and I think if we can keep this pace up for another 4 or 5 years having internationals playing the league will be a vpossibility.
doesnt that by the same token then mean that us in Ireland wouldnt be able to give a qualified view of the merits or otherwise of the English Second Division ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
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Originally Posted by gustavo
well, we get TV coverage of the english leagues over here. they dont broadcast irish football in england
The same Slovan Liberec who Shamrock Rover narrowly lost to in the Intertoto?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
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Fair point, but still not a bad showing for a second-tier side.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
I hope you're right. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
That's not quite what I said, is it? I merely pointed out that Ipswich - as a second-tier English side - had made the third round, something Irish top-tier sides have singularly failed to do since...Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Maybe it would. You're getting better at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
I'd hardly call a 4-0 aggregate reverse "narrow". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
Hey eoinh, this is how it's done. And no, Éanna, I can't find any fault. Great reply. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
:) PP
He scored another two goals last night ,Bang on form at the minute:)
Jeez there was some rubbish muttered in this thread.
Byrne for Ireland!
Any of the Shels lads who post on here know how many goals in total Byrne has scored so far this season and what's the breakdown?
And you waited two years to say this, check the dates of the thread.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
well instead of starting a new Jason Byrne thread i just searched for the old one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by adamcarr
Check www.irishfootballonline.comQuote:
Originally Posted by ger121
It breaks it into "LEAGUE" and "OTHER", Byrne has 13 and 8 in that order.
I don't think he can be overlooked much longer....token appearances are a slap in the face.
You have to look at what we've got up front - is he a better player than Robbie Keane, Kevin Doyle, Clinton Morrison, or a healthy Stephen Elliot?
Evidently not. But with what he can offer to a game when something different is needed, he is in pole position.
Elliot will always be injured or returning from injury. Its just the way he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
Not good enough for Ireland in my opinion.
The evidence backs up claims that he should be in the squad, and should be getting an adaquate amount of gametime.If you look back in this thread, most of the barstoolers are saying that players from EL shouldn't be considered until clubs are consistantly getting through at least the 1st round in Europe.Clubs are now.Also, Byrne played very well against Chile, considering it was his first 'proper' go at it.
Elliot will permanently be injured so the debate is who is the 4th best forward Ireland has after Keane, Doyle, Morrison.
Candidates:
- Alan Lee
- Jason Byrne
- ??????
Rooney if he has a good season.
Is Marlon King still eligible for us btw?
Alan Lee is useless, I was at near enough every Cardiff match when he was here, and he was just, I don't know, constantly poor.Byrne is also better than Trundle.
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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Maybe Shange Long could come into the mix if he gets a few more games for Reading this season.
He is only a kid & will unlikely see much action being 5th choice striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
Well I did use the words maybe, could and if; in a 19 word sentence :D I was just throwing his name in there as he hadn't been mentioned already.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
However, if Coppel does the same as last season and prioritises the league ahead of the cups then he sould get a few starts in the FA or League Cup and if he does well there, there's the possibility of a few sub appearances in the league. I'm not sure if he is 4th or 5th choice as I don't know if Ki-Hyeon will be deployed in MF or as a striker. It's a long season and any of Kitson, Doyle and Lita could get a long term injury and with the limited transfer window it may not be possible to bring in a replacement straight away. Also if there are injuries to MF players Ki-Hyeon or Lita might have to play there. Kitson's injury early last season is what gave Doyle his chance after all. You are right though he his still only a young lad and although I expect him to make some progress this season it probably won't be enough to see him break into the full international squad. Maybe he might be there or there abouts for the last few games of the qualification campaign or for the start of the next one. Jayo would deffo be ahead of him at the moment.
I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan of having players from the EL in the international squad. No disrespect to the EL but even the most ardent supporters of the league would admit that the fitness level just isn't at the same level as it is in England. That said you should have four strikers in the squad and if one of Keane, Morrison, Doyle or Elliott are unavailable then Jason Byrne should be the next choice to be in the squad. Doherty has shown time and again that he's not a striker, and he's getting well on in years now anyway.
Do you actually have a clue about EL football?If you did, then you would know that the fitness levels are very good, specifically in the last week when two Irish sides thoroughly layed into two very good teams, at the same time looking far fitter in the process.
It just infuriates me that every time a domestically based player excells, people who haven't the best interests of Irish football at heart lay down new criteria that they think the player should have to meet.Where does it end?
i suspect this guy is on a wind up mission, either that or a complete buffoon.
so vega007, going on what you have recently posted in a neighbouring thread, you feel no players not born or raised in ireland should play for ireland, and yet you dont want any el players in the reckoning? mighty strange:rolleyes:
and this idiotic take is based on fittness levels, despite many el players now being full-time players, and therefore i think its fair to assume, pretty fit. were you aware of that?
and Gary Doherty is 26.in his prime.:rolleyes:
you are as good a case as ive seen in a while for everyone NOT being automatically entitled to an opinion.:D
In fairness Gary Doherty looked like a 40 year old back in the U-18 Euro days :)
But yea I dont think Doherty should ever be up front for us again . Supposedly he done really well for Norwich at CB last season
for sure he shouldnt appear up front for us ever again, and did do well for his club at C.B. in the latter half of last season, but ruling him out through his age displays only the how little vega007 actually knows about his subject.
the Docs age could well be all he does have going for him:)