Newscorp will run and run with that story, they will get as much mileage out of it as they possibly can
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Newscorp will run and run with that story, they will get as much mileage out of it as they possibly can
Indeed they will endabob. Lib Dem lass on politics show last night was saying one thing you won't hear GB say in debate tonight is "I spoke to a lady in Rochdale yesterday....". I think he should. Dunno who's sheduled to speak first but he should bring it up at the first opportunity afforded him rather than spend time trying to deflect hits on it from the tories and lib dems.
Inclined to agree, but the Labour? locals in Rochdale seemed equally sure he shouldn't....
Seemingly Nick Griffin was on RTE the other day, saying that Ireland was part of Britain and that we're more than welcome in his Aryan nation (the old Groucho Marx joke about clubs springs to mind)! Otherwise, looks like Dave Nice-But-Dim is still rising in the polls, so we could be talking about a Tory majority this time next week.
Sounds like imperialistic BS from Nazi Nick there....
Naw he did say it.
As someone said to me "Aye, when the Irish people hear that they'll be raging. But only after they finish reading the Guardian, watching Eastenders and cheering on Liverpool."
Know the pr*ck said it, but somehow think the average unionist would disagree with you....
Heh, touche. Although I wouldn't bracket the Graun with those others- I think it only sells about 15,000 copies daily in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
I think I can say confidently that the average/ typical unionist neitherQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
a) supports the BNP, nor
b) thinks the Republic of Ireland is or should become part of the British state.
Ha ha.
But the average unionist would & does agree with their stance on the Six Counties with those same bigots in the BNP, Tories et al....
PS. There is no country called the 'Republic of Ireland', nor will there ever be. Maybe purchase of an atlas is in order?
;)
ArdeeBhoy, that kind of pedantry is why discussion of the SPL is restricted to one thread on Foot.ie, and why threads on Ireland/Northern Ireland invariably sink into flame wars. Drop it. Now.
Nate Silver, who was 98% accurate with his prediction for the electoral college in the US presidential election, has now tweaked his model to analyse the UK vote. Don't know enough maths or programming to know how reliable it is, but he says that the use of proportional, rather than uniform swing should make his projection more accurate than traditional swingometers.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...del-works.html
Apologies DH, had no idea confirming the name of a member state of the EU & UN was so, er, inflammatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
And props to Culloty, Nate Silver is a respected pundit.
I'll be voting Conservative I think. The state has grown to gigantic proportions under Labour and I want more power devolved to lower levels of government or to the individual. Apparently this makes me a "bigot" who might as well join the BNP though?
That's your choice. But be mindful there's still rabid anti-foreigner(inc.Irish (& of course non-whites) people !) forces at work in there. Just read some of the Tory blogs online. Or the other usual suspects.
Sounds like LD's are more apt, unless taking a very Libertarian stance?
Still if anyone wants to vote for Old Etonians who are detached from reality and voting for austerity measures which won't affect them, fine by me.
Enjoy their 'New Reality'.
Won't the COnservatives try to take power away from the Scottish parliament and Welsh regional assembly?Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
The Conservative party are a broad church - I'm sure there is still an element of small minded xenophobia within the parties ranks, although I believe that very much exists in Labour's grassroots as well. I am coming from a more libertarian perspective, the LDs are far too EUrophile for my liking and I think it's naive of them to claim they can change the institution from within.
I don't base my vote on what school the leader went to - Clegg comes from a similar background, as did Tony Blair. As far as austerity goes, all parties will have to make cuts because Britain has a huge defecit.
If I was living in the UK, I think I'd have to vote for Labour. I'd be unlikely to vote for the Tories anyway, but as someone has already pointed out earlier in the thread, the Tories under Cameron would be far worse than the likes of Thatcher, because at least you knew what you were getting under Thatcher. And the New Liberals under Clegg are so reminiscent of New Labour under Blair it's scary. Gordon Brown is a rock of reliability and intelligence compared to these guys. Of course if they had PR-STV people wouldn't have to base their decisions around one person...
Not that I'm aware Dodge although the coverage of Welsh and Scottish politics in England is very small to the point where only political anoraks know anything about them. I was under the impression that they supported giving more powers to the Scottish parliament. Certainly if you took more away from the Welsh assembly it'd be pointless even having it. The parties all have have different manifestos: a "British" one for England and seperate ones for Scotland and Wales. I know the Tories are still very unionist. I personally think the Union (between Scotland and England) is dead. I'd rather see two independent nations and stop this whole "British" charade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If you believe that, you may need to broaden your horizons ! 80-90% of them, beneath the surface, fufill the worst type of 'little Englander' stereotype of intolerance, for which one would be ridiculed if you were to apply it to even the smallest degree in an Irish context.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Their cuts are aimed at slashing public services regardless, especially affecting Education & the Health Service.
And the Tories economic record, using anyone other than Ken Clarke, is as about as useful as a chocolate teapot......
DH is right in a way in that Brown is the intellectually most competent, though Clegg has more appeal in terms of charisma. But PR & the ending of Trident were never policies advocated by Blair in a General Election scenario.
The Tories have ringfenced NHS spending in England so it's clearly not a case of ruthlesly slashing public services for the sake of it. Even in Thatcher's time public spending rose under the Conservatives. You're obviously coming from a left wing perspective so we're not going to agree about public spending because, economically at least, I'm on the right.
Is your pecentage on the number of bigoted Tories scientific or just based on cliche and prejudice? :tongue: Whatever anybody says it's quite clear that the party has modernised in that regard, they have numerous gay and ethnic minority members. There are numerous things about the Party that I don't like and numerous policies I don't support but I don't accept the argument that theyre all just a bunch of closet racists.
As far as Labour is concerned, five more years of them is almost unthinkable. Detention without charge, I.D cards, DNA databases, bureaucracy, regulation and tax. No thanks.
Clearly you are buying all the Tory propaganda, hook line & sinker in the British media;well done!
It's a contradiction to assume they'll 'ringfence' the NHS when it doesn't match up with their supposed austerity measures or an aging population.
So fine, just don't get ill.
The no.of bigoted Tories (et al) is based on substantial personal experience, statements by random MPs and regularly by their numerous friends in the media, spouting bile about different racial groups, gays, young people and the like. In fact, everyone, not, like them. Needless to say the few said same members of those minorities within their ranks, seem blinkered to the fact that there's elements of the same party who despise them.....
The criticisms of Labour re.tax and bureaucracy is relatively fair;DNA databases are almost essential (& uniform) across the EU whilst the rest is more anti-Labour hot air from the Brit.Establishment media friends who in the main are barely interested in any concept of, er, 'Society'.
I don't read any Conservative-supporting media. I'm not assuming they'll ringfence the NHS, it's a clear manifesto pledge and one they've stressed throughout the campaign. There is quite a considerably high number of ethnic minority and gay Tory members who are involved not only at a lower level but also at the higher end of the party, I think that they may be a better judge of the party's overall character than someone who is not involved in the party at all. They first ethnic minority and female PM's were also both Conservative. The party is a broad church of social conservatives, "Thatcherites", classic liberals, "one nation Conservatives" etc. Although I agree with you that there is still an element on the fringe of the Tory party that is..."backward" in their outlook let's say, the suggestion that 90% or however many are racists doesn't wash at all.
There is no need whatsoever for innocent people never convicted of a crime, including babies, to be on a DNA database. Only people convicted of serious crimes should have their DNA stored. Trying to make it legal to be able to detain people for 90 days without charge is a serious attack on liberty and human rights, not just something cooked up by the "Brit establishment media" :rolleyes: I.D cards, also an unnecessary intrusion of the state and a further attack on liberty in Britain.
The Tories have made an effort to change their image, but looking at it from a selfish Irish perspective, it's hard to see what we or the nationalists would gain if they formed a government. At max, they'll probably finish around 300, which brings up the nightmare scenario of them being propped up by the DUP, UUP and the indy unionists (can't see Lib Dems doing a deal when Cameron doesn't want PR).
Sounds like yer man would be more at home in UKIP anyway....
If that other shower get in they'll prove even more clueless than the current lot.
The only opinion poll done in the North this month:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14792015.html
Clicking on the graph gives you figures for each constituency.
I'm still not sure who's getting my x in the box even at this late stage. A month ago it was the Libs but I'm starting to swing back to Labour. ANYTHING is better than the Tories. I fear Cameron and his cronies. I didn't go to Eton, I'm not a right winger and I don't earn 100k a year so he doesn't cater for people like me.
Prediction Time:
Feel free to give a rough estimate on what will happen tonight - Britain adds up to 632.
Great Britain:
Conservatives 282
Labour 248
Liberal Democrats 90
UK Others 12 (7 SNP, 4 Plaid Cymru, 1 Green)
Northern Ireland
DUP 8
SF 4
SDLP 3
UUP 1
Independent Unionists 2
Just saw this on the BBC site:
Am I the only person who immediately wondered if the right wing failed?Quote:
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0940: Reports are coming in that the UK Independence Party Euro-MP Nigel Farage has been involved in a light plane crash at an airfield near Brackley in Northamptonshire. Mr Farage, who is standing in the general election, is understood to have suffered non life-threatening injuries in the incident.
I also note how the BBC have airily referred to it as a "light plane crash" as opposed to a fully fledged plane crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
It's obviously the travel disasters equivalent to a "light lunch" or "a light work out".
i think they meant it was a light aircraft.
Yeah, I know - but am also painfully aware that I have no way of proving I knew.
I'm basically relying on you all knowing I was intelligent enough in the first place to have known that but jeopardised that certainty for the sake of a joke.
That's what they all say. Albeit slightly more convoluted... ;)
The BNP, and some voters in East London, have a frank exchange of views;
:rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...nd/8663681.stm
You're just going to have to trust me on this one.........................Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
The plane apparently was trailing a UKIP banner at the time.
Tell me there isn't a God..........!
There is no God. He survived.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Thats actually funny, Jesus I would vote for him just for that, he had a decent punchQuote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Chaos in several uk polling stations. Some electoral
lists weren't sent to stations, some ran out of ballot papers, some places closed doors at 10 with 100s locked outside, others allowed voting after 10.
All the broadcastors predicting hung parliament with Cons on 305-310. Given the state of Labour for the past year it looks like Cameron has missed an open goal
Should say betfair still says over 325 for Cons
Wow Peter Robinson gone!