I'll take your word on that MK, but I can tell you, as of right now, no monies have been received.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
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I'll take your word on that MK, but I can tell you, as of right now, no monies have been received.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Fed up with this Linfield carry on a club who gets £400k + from the IFA annually and also had to rerarrange the fixture last year against Derry because Norn ireland had a game against sweden two nights later. Im fed up listening to Linfield club moaning about this and that, yous rule the Irish league with your mickey mouse tactics now your trying to rule the setanta cup. LOI clubs had to commence the competion last yr before the their season started to facilitate them, DJ of Linfield always moaning about fatigue here fatigue their, why dont they give up the meaningless county antrim shield and play in a bigger competiton and stop their whinging.
I can tell you now DCFC the new club have tried to contact Linfield on 4 occassions to pay the amount owing not once after voicemail messages has a member of Linfield got back to the club. It is a publicity stunt again by the blues to make them look the good guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
But that's exactly what they're doing brendy.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Basically they're saying "we don't trust setanta to do the right thing" and if Derry are allowed to play, then "we'll pull out".
But as has been pointed out they've never been happy with the thing.
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Sorry, but until someone pays LFC the money they are owed, they are quite entitled to do whatever the Hell they like, including declining to accept their Invitation [sic] to compete from Setanta.
What you simply cannot get away from is that if the new guys at the Brandywell want to benefit from their predecessors' Invitation to the Setanta Ball, then they (new guys) need to pay for the predecessors' ticket. Literally.[/QUOTE]
Again you're spot on but surely you can see that Linfield are using two contradicting arguments for not wanting to play us.
On one hand they say they won't play Derry City as they owe Linfield money. Which is fair play. And then on top of that they refuse to play Derry City anyway because we're a new club. So in other words they won't play Derry City whether they get paid or not.
My own opinion is that we should not only be turfed from the Setanta but also the league. But as a Derry fan I'll take every break we're given.
It's not. They haven't suggested that themselves and Pats play out the rest of the group with our results expunged, which is what would happen in the LoI. They just said that they're not playing any more games regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
This has nothing to do with the fact that Derry City have acted like crooks for the last few years and should have no bearing on it. Linfield are dead right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
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Originally Posted by CSFShels
Not having that, I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
Is it not the case that Linfield FC are listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City, and the debt will be the responsibility of the Administrator dealing with the case?
If that's the case, then why did Linfield report in the Cliftonvile programme that they had been approached by the Friends of Derry City and were making progress on the issue ? Why didn't they just refuse to speak with FODC and deal with the Administrators instead ? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
It's a different story for Linfield every time the issue gets mentioned. They clearly weant everything their own way - you'd be forgiven for thinking they'd be happy without the money if it meant they could have something else to cry about.... :o
Could it be the case that the FODC have muted that they will make good the difference between what Linfield get from the Administrator and what we were owed by the "old" Derry City FC?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Or could it be - Henry the Janitor....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Do you know the answer to your own question heren, cuz I sure as hell don't ? If not, then it's just pointless conjecture.
The point stands though. You can't cry about being owed money by someone you're in contact with about that money, and then when they point out that they've been trying to contact you over it state 'oh but we'll only deal with the Administrators' over it.
Linfield trying to have everything their own way. Just another excuse for a good cry.
Who has stated "we'll only deal with the Administrators over it"?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
We want our money owed to us in full - don't care who pays it!
I think it's "new" Derry City having a good cry tonight after losing their big, £50,000, pay day.
Err -y uo were the onme who asserted that arguement. Probably just more idle speculation on your part again in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The views of a couple of fans do not a club maketh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Unless, of course, it's Sporting Fingal...... :)
For how many years have we been getting "£400k +" from the IFA under our contract for usage of our stadium with them Flexy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
Please enlighten us.
I'm not dealing in arguements, just trying to establish the facts - are Linfield FC listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What proposals have FODC placed before Linfield FC for settlement of the debt owed to Linfield FC by "old" Derry City FC?
As I'm sure you well know, a forum for football fans of numerous/competing clubs is often the last place worth visiting to establish facts. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
If you want to know the facts, don't come on here demanding answers from ordinary fans. Contact the clubs concerned, or better still - just hold your water and see what comes out in the wash. 'All good thanks', and all that...
How many times have they phoned Cliftonville? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
Promises, promises......
That is completely and wholly within the control of Linfield as to whether they have lodged their claim as creditor with the administrator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
They won't be "settling" any debt, as that's not really kosher under company law. Any payment would be an ex gratia amount by anQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
unconnected THIRD party.
As for what you'll get from the official liquidation, the square root of sfa I would imagine.
Did Cliftonville lodge the contract relating to the Celtic friendly with the administrator to establish creditor status?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Promises, promises..... and now deflection, deflection....but yes all parties are in pocession of all documents...though that has nothing to do with my comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Mr P,
None of us are on the board of
a)Wellvan
b)DCFC Ltd
Therefore we can't provide definitive answers to any of the questions you pose.
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Originally Posted by MariborKev
Funny though that you can provide answers when it suits......:rolleyes:
I can provide an answer, is it right?
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Originally Posted by MariborKev
Did your Chairman not state at one of your supporter meetings That if you get a first division licence that he had been reassurred that they would be allowed to compete in the Setanta. Would he just make that up?
Mr Parker, I think you are barking up the wrong tree with MK.
He was one of a very small group of people that was extremely vocal about the previous Derry board and their spending. He was vilified for it in certain quarters.
He, like you now, was also just looking for answers.
Derry City should not be in the Setanta Cup. I think that the majority are in agreement with that.
Whatever about the 5k owed from the previous Derry board, Linfield were 100% within their rights to refuse to play this game.
The systematic lying, cheating and writing off of huge amounts of money that they owed has been one of the major scandals we've ever had in domestic football.
On the back of that, its extremely churlish of a section of the Derry support to say Linfield are now using this an excuse to pull out of the Setanta Cup.
Read the article from the Belfast Tele. They gave more reasons than that i.e. the fact that the prize money has been considerably reduced and it could cost teams money to participate being a major one.
The finger pointing from some of the Derry lads on here towards Linfield is breathtaking.
He was "reassured" was he?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
I'll check the audio but that ain't the phrase I remember used.
Is anybody fully clear on what is happening at Derry ? LOI clubs in recent years have folded the holding company and carried on claiming the LOI entitlements earned by the previous entity - Shams, Drogs and Cork (poss) so on that basis the "NEW" Derry could well claim to be entitled to take up where the old entity left off (including participation in the SETANTA Cup). The issue of relegation/ licence withdrawn is a seperate issue and not necessarily involved in the SETANTA competition (solely a disiplinary issue involving the FAI). If alternatively the club ceased to exist then how can they get a 1st Div license ? Can FORAS or any other applicant get the same dispensation ?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Not sturring here, and I stated previously I do not think they should continue in the SETANTA but am honestly at a loss regarding the club status.
MB,Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
In all those cases the clubs went into examinership- but the companies were all "saved" by investors.
Wellvan Enterprises, which was the trading company for DCFC is in administration(UK equivalent of examinership) but no one has any intention of saving it. Therefore a new limtied company has been formed.
Fundamentally different from the three cases you mention.
Cheers MK. still not sure of status of the football side and am unclear why they would not be eligible for SETANTA (leaving aside moral argument) and if there is no connection with old football entity then should they not start in A League* ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
*(think you guys suffered enough, but just asking :))
I agree he was one of the few who was vocal about the previous board and most of the rest of us hadnt a clue just how bad those muppets where,Quote:
Originally Posted by cheech
However im not so sure Maribor was too vilified for it, he would be held in very high regard by anyone who knows him, and so would his opinions.
The former board certainly wouldnt have been his biggest fans though :p
But yeah Mr Parker, your making yourself sound like a raving lunatic with no credibility at all having a go at the likes of Maribor over the former boards antics.
MB,Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Personally I think we should be in the A League. However if the FAI tell us we can apply for the 1st Division, then it made sense to apply for that.
In my view we shouldn't be eligible for the Setanta as it would be like parachuting a new club(Bray, Ballymena United etc) in and going- "pretend you are Derry City" and play out the rest of the campaign.
The club that entered the competition in 2009 is in administration, has no players and is in position to fufil fixtures. The new club was not a participant at the start of the competition, how can they start now.
Fair play, and a very honest view on things MK :) take your point RE SETANTA as it makes sense (a novel concept inthe world of Irsih football). Best of luck next season (hopefuly in the first division)Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
I am well aware of his position now and in the past including his warnings. If you read my posts I am not having a go at him. He is one of the 'good guys' in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheech
You asked when you were going to get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
You're not going to get paid (whether by administrator or otherwise) without proving you are owed money by lodging your claim with the administrator and being formally confirmed as a creditor.
That's why I asked a simple question that required a yes/no answer.
If anyone is deflecting anything I'm afraid it's you....
If FODC have approached Linfield with the intention of ex gratia payments which are in effect covering debts by the previous DCFC then they don't need to be on the list of creditors?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I agree with you about the contradiction of complaining that FODC won't actually pay them, and then saying that the administrator will handle all payments (if that is actually what is happening).
Lodging the claim with the adminstrator is a formailty, as unfortunately given the lack of assets of Wellvan (and the many creditors) it's unlikely that there will be a material settlement at the end of the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
The reason for lodging a claim is to establish you are owed what you say you are owed. Otherwise what's to stop any club of business rocking up and saying they are owed £x by Wellvan?
The Cliftonville money relates to a contract signed between Derry City and Celtic in 2008 for a transfer fee and friendlies. Cliftonville have claimed a sidebar contract exists between Derry and them to share Celtics costs for a friendly arranged subsequently between Cliftonville and Celtic.
Therefore unless this contract has been lodged with the administrator, there's no way anyone will get paid, by anyone. Mr. Parker has confirmed the contract was lodged with the administrator and Cliftonville have been listed as a creditor by the administrator so that's the first step to getting paid. All the above being correct, over to FoDC to take it forward in that case.
Maybe you missed it. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Drogheda haven't folded the holding company. Its still Hinge trading. The FAI insisted in 2002 that Hinge carried on with the Drogs and we went into examinership, not liquidation in the recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs