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Isaakson was awful when it really counted.
Thought he had a good world cupQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Ex Man U Ricardo? Saw him playing for Osasuna against Real last night, did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Anyone who has S. Hunt, A. McGeady or A. Reid as Irelands most overated left winger, has clearly fotgotton about Keith O'Neill
Aiden McGeady has to be in this team there's no way around it.
I say a prayer of thanks everytime I see him for Celtic that I don't support them because if I had to watch him every week i'd go mental.
I'm going to go with this team:
Colgan
O'Halloran
Bennett
P. Murphy
O'Cearuil
Alan O'Brien
Liam Miller
Steven Gleeson
McPhail
Connolly
Daryl Murphy
The ones in bold I don't think merited an International Appearance whatsoever.
I think some people need to learn the difference between over-rated and just plain rubbish
Let's not get too pedantic. I'd say over-rated in the sense that they should never have been near the squad in the first place, let alone getting a cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
How Liam Miller is playing professional football beats the hell outta me....
Keith O'Neill wasn't a bad player until he got a dose of the Stephen Reid's i.e. one injury after another than ruined his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
I can only think of one who qualifies, Mark Kennedy.
One wonder goal for his club got him a big money transfer to Liverpool.
One wonder goal for us in a big game glossed over a very poor performance but had the country buzzing. Would have been included in the WC2002 squad, I'm open to correction but I never thought he was up to it.
When he found his playing level he was decent enough.
think he was included in the provisional squad, but he wasn't fully fit when it needed to be finalised
His spot went to Steven Reid
And from memory, it was to Kennedys credit that he stated he was not 100% and therefore shouldnt be included.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
With regards to Colbert Report not giving James McCarthy a moment to adapt to the EPL. Its probably as well Fergie didnt have the same approach with the Worlds Current No1 Player or he would have been out on his ear after a season or two of stepovers, poor crosses, lost possession and general under performance. It was the latter half of his 6 year stint at Utd that Ronaldo really came in to his own (an extreme example I know but I think the point is still valid).
theres plenty of professional footballers in the BS premier im sure you could say the same about. the lad is finally playing regularly so give him the season to see how he fairs and judge him on that.. i dont think liam has ever said he was going to be the next pele? we all cant meet your high expectations.....Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Can I join in? (joke, kind of)Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
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Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Millar has been given plenty of chances to prove himself.
steven reid is the epitome of an overrated player and if you can't see that then the thread is piontless. irish people say english overrate their players yet they have players playing for the biggest european clubs, while steven reid goes on loan to queens park ranger
so what he wasnt good enough for man united and has had his fair share of injury problems give the guy a break this is the first time in his career a manager has put faith in him and hes doing as well as could be expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Off topic but that is not true - how do you think most of us know about Miller?, if it wasnt for O'Neill putting faith in him and trusting him to play in the CL for Celtic? Unfortunately for him (and us as Irish supporters), he then went on to believe the hype before he had strung 20 or so appearances together at the age of 23. It puts James McCarthys (at 18 years old) 100+ appearances for Hamilton in to context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
He saw the lights of Old Trafford and it all went downhill from there unfortunately.
sorry i phrased that afwully :) i more ment to say that its the first time that a manager has made him an integral part of the team and an ever constant in the team when fit.. look i know millar hasnt lived up to the lofty expectations but he dosent deserve all the abuse he gets on here.. things are finally looking up for him and all people can do is give out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
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Originally Posted by irishultra
I gotta agree with that... every young Irish player is lauded as the next big thing, There tends to be a mass over-reaction in most Irish supporters at times. The Charlton years was embarassing with the exultations of a team that played some of the worst football ever played. I could understand it at first because it was the first time for many of them to see Ireland on the big stage.
Now it seems at any kid that comes on the scene is lauded, o Shea started so well and I even thought he would be some player but sadly he is nowhere close. Kennedy flopped after high expectations, so I think these expectations are way over the top. Liam Millar has been given a chance at every club and remember Alex Ferguson couldn't wait to get him and he did give him more than a chance to prove himself. McGeady has proved so far on the International stage to be next to useless in most games for Ireland.
steven reid is good but not as good as he's made out to be by some on this forum and people like dunphy. he's an important player for ireland definetly with good qualities but he's an average midfielder.
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Originally Posted by irishultra
Spot on again ultra, S.Reid & A.Reid were lauded as the saviors of the Irish mid-field by Dunphy and others, I like S.Reid but he is an average player and A.Reid was lauded as the Irish Maradonna ffs. S.Reid is skillfull and has good feet but he is not the player some people make him out to be.
Going on the original criteria of fans believing players were pretty good but turned out not to be.
Joe Murphy - while not a bad player when he played for Tranmere many of us thought he would have gone on to bigger things. He really didn't.
Gary Kelly - I never really rated him, I know he set a record for Leeds appearances and got in a Premiership Team of The Year. He promised so much yet never became a real top clas player IMO. Strong competition from Stephen Kelly but young Steve has time on his side I suppsoe.
Phil Babb - Nuff said.
Ian Harte - Like his cousin promised so much but his slide started at 27. He was found out.
Barry Quinn - 1 cap I think, given the number of U21 caps and his appearances for Coventry we all thought he was the biz. Where is he now? I don't care.
Alan Quinn - Again didn't deliver on early promise.
Kevin Thornton - Oh dear.
Stephen McPhail - Such promise and nothing to show for it in the green jersey.
Richie Partridge - How many posts about Richie on foot.ie. Sad.
Michael Reddy - How could we have been so wrong??
David Connolly - He had his fans no doubt about that, started well but then fizzled out in the green.
Subs: Mark Kennedy, Liam Miller, Gareth Farrelly, Willie Boland.
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Originally Posted by Qwerty
Willo Flood is another
Reid went on loan to get match fitness apparently. In any case its unfair to lump him and Keith O'Neill into the over rated category, they were both coming along nicely until injury struck, especially O'Neill who was almost crippled with injury. Reid was linked to Man Utd after 2002 world cup then the injuries started, they never really had a chance to develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
My team would be,
Kenny (Once considered best keeper outside premiership! eh no)
Kernaghan (Big fuss getting him to play for us. Why?)
Breen (Linked to Barcelona? Couldn't make West Ham side)
Phelan (Most expensive full back at one stage - good but not that good!)
Carr (Considered the best in England before going to Newcastle, again, good but not that good)
Kennedy (Good God what were Liverpool thinking)
Miller (Next Roy Keane)
Mahon (Next Liam Brady)
Liam O'Brien (The Irish Zico???)
Jason Byrne (Sure to make it overseas.)
Joey Lapira (I know not hyped up but surely the fact this guy was rated highly enough to get a cap makes him over rated???)
Paul McShame was gonna be the next Franco Baresi! And Seamus Coleman is the new Cafu!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
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Originally Posted by Qwerty
Michael Reddy!!!! Good call!!!! :D
Harsh on Carr considering you let Keith O'Neil off the hook based on injuries, Carr was the best Right back in the league at Spurs before he had a bad injury which could have finished him and he wasn't ever the same player after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
Zico O'Brien was a good tidy player, being at United didn't help his cause but he did well with Newcastle when they got promotted.
Phelan is a great shout though, nice guy, decent player, but a record transfer for a full back when he was midtable standard at best.
A lot of guys come through at big clubs as kids or impress lower down the leagues & get picked up relatively cheaply but then don't make it and end up (back) in the lower leagues, Kennedy is a classic example as is Miller.
We get excited because we think Utd or Liverpool must know they're buying a star of the future when in reality it's just a calculated gamble, even if like Kennedy it doesn't come off they get most of the money back by selling them on to a team in the Championship.
I'd say his hundreds of appearances for Man United, his 60 or so caps for Ireland, his 4 premier league medals and Champions league medal will scarcely make up for the criticism you've levelled at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
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Originally Posted by osarusan
I'm talking about his footballing ability, a utility player at United, had been appalling for most of his Irish career,granted he had a fairly good campaign under Trap. Still prone to schoolboy mistakes, his passing is garbage most of the time.Yes he won medals as a bit player for United. Can you really say he is the player that everyone thought he could be?
He played more games last season than any other outfield player, bar Ronaldo.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
[QUOTE=tetsujin1979;1301716]He played more games last season than any other outfield player, bar Ronaldo.[/QUOTE
Only because of injuries to others players on the team
[QUOTE=yapster;1301765]Ok - you've proved your own lack of knowledge again there. O'Shea was a first choice selection for United throughout last season even when they had a full-strength squad to choose from. Admittedly, that wasn't the case in previous years but it most definitely was last season. Please stop posting this muck.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
[QUOTE=EastTerracer;1301767]Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
And a very good morning to you sir:)
Evra was out of sorts last year for some reason or other and that is why o Shea got so many games. O Shea is an average footballer at best, his mistake against Italy in Dublin was dumb to say the least. He was lucky to have Dunne beside him to keep him concentrated on the game. I don't think he has that innate hardness a footballer has inside him.
Evra played 46 times last season, not bad for a player who was out of sorts, especially with a manager who's dropped players in the past for not stepping up.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
I've asked this before, do you do any research, or do you just make it up as you go along?
[QUOTE=yapster;1301775]You are aware that O'Shea played most of last season at right back, while Evra is a left back. You seem to get a kick out of running down Irish players. You give out to others for bigging up the Irish players too much, while you are simply giving no credit to them whatsoeverQuote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
My mistake, Gary Neville I meant..
Look at my posts on Stokes,seamus Coleman, Owen Garvan.
[QUOTE=yapster;1301775]You have mentioned JOSH has by and large been very poor for Ireland? Please give examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
The Italian goal? Not sure JOSH can be blamed for that, he won the ball in the Italian half and if anything was unfortunate the clearance went to an Italian who broke quickly, yes was out of position by doing so but the Italians still had more than half the pitch to go. If anyone was at fault for that goal it was Sledge who did not close Gilardino down quick enough but the goal certainly did not arise due to a JOSH error.
Sledge made a bad error also but he can be excused as he was a novice to International football however O Shea is far from a novice and has bags of Champions League games under his belt. He was hopelessly out of position ffs. Yes overall I can say he has had quite a few bad games for Ireland.