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Yes he can play for Ireland. Irish born and bred. He really should be given a chance given our lack of creativity in midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Let’s face it, we’re giving opportunities to people playing at a lower level. I’d be happy to take a look at him, but maybe it’s just too late as we look to Euro 2024 campaign.
Perhaps at 32 he just doesn’t fall into the rebuild.
I think that's a really bad reason - sorry you'll be too old in two years, so we're not going to play you against Azerbaijan or Qatar in three weeks
We need wins now and he's playing at a higher level than at least half of the midfielders named in the last squad - https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/skip...through-injury
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Midfielders: Josh Cullen (Anderlecht), Jeff Hendrick(Newcastle United), Conor Hourihane(Aston Villa - on loan at Sheffield United), Harry Arter(Nottingham Forest), Jamie McGrath(St. Mirren), Jayson Molumby(Brighton and Hove Albion - on loan at West Brom), Alan Browne(Preston North End)
It just depends who he’s getting in ahead of. If we’re picking Carey over Arter, that doesn’t bother me at all. If a guy like McGrath loses out on minutes I just think that’s really shortsighted given this campaign is a write off.
Cap the gallagher lad in the US
Travel restrictions mean this is unlikely in the immediate future
Is he playing at a higher level? The Bulgarian league is ranked 24th in Europe, Scotland is ranked 9th for comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If the Championship and L1 were standalone leagues, the Championship would certainly rank higher than the Bulgarian league (look at the finances), and arguably L1 would also rank higher.
Probably. But you could counter all this by saying he ripped up League One and produced against a Serie A side. We were also dreadful against a Bulgarian side containing a lot of home based players whilst we had a PL and Championship laden team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Not pushing for Carey. Haven't seen him play. And he's 32. You'd wonder if he had chosen his move after Plymouth a little differently would he have been called in. I see Poland had an MLS striker beside Lewandowski the other night. Slovakia have an MLS winger. Guys that produce well and consistently there (Gallagher is hardly consistent there yet is he?) Do get picked in Europe. It's all hard to compare.
But did he rip up L1 and produce against a Serie A side? He scored against Roma last night, a game CSKA lost 5-1 - score line alone suggests a class difference, hard to argue a player on the losing side produced for 90mins. Too many posts here are about lads scoring the night before and demanding inclusion in the squads. A goal catches headlines, but says little about their actual game and capability/ suitability for international football.
He scored 14 goals in a season in League One. He scored a goal against Roma. I'm not demanding inclusion. I'm trying to add balance to your points. These are fair counter argumentsQuote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I haven't said you personally are demanding inclusion. You did write in your initial post "I'm not pushing for his inclusion". My initial post was a counter to the statement that Carey is playing at a higher level than half the squad (midfielders) recently selected - which is questionable at best. This statement was made on the back of the goal headline from the previous night. But as you said, you have not seen Carey play and that's basically the point being made here. Demands for callups are being made on headlines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
He's scoring goals which is important and as Tets said, yesterday's was quality. I suspect his ship has sailed though. I'm more excited by Scully tbh. Yes, he's doing well "only" in League One but his eye for goal is proven and let's face it, if Idah and Connolly were parachuted down to that level right now would either be doing as well? Scully is probably doing better than Parrott at the same level - and maybe a worse team? - and Parrott is starting for us.
In general, I just don't think we have the luxury of looking down our noses at the Bulgarian league or League One these days. He'd probably already have 7 or 8 goals for NI at this stage if he was one of theirs.
Sure, judge the player on individual merits rather than the club address.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Carey played 1217mins domestically (league) for CSKA last season, averaging 50mins per appearance over 25 league appearances. 1 goal scored, sub’ed in 11 times, sub’ed out 6 times, unused sub 4 times.
In contrast, and using Jamie McGrath’s name as it was in bold in the initial post and they are in the same position, McGrath played 2840 league mins for St Mirren, 35 appearances with an average time of pitch of 81 minutes. Ten goals to his name, sub’ed in just once/ sub’ed out 10 times. Used in every game when available.
Scotland is a higher ranked league than Bulgaria, and the stats above show McGrath is a key player for St Mirren while Carey is more a squad player (goal against Roma aside).
And yes, Anthony Scully can be something with time. Just looking for more reasoning as to why player X should be called up than “he scored last night”.
Best of luck to Graham Carey and everything, but honestly is isn't (or at least shouldn't be) within a mile of the Ireland squad, especially given his age.
I thought he had more goals to his name on that. Twitter must recycle a lot of his old goals :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
has anyone here seen Carey play much?
True, he would not be part of the rebuild at this stage. But I just wish he'd been given a chance before now. I've followed his career since he was at Plymouth. Looked like a really decent player but typical of us (as was the case with Wes) we wait until it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Wouldn't bother me if he was playing in the Leinster Senior League. If he has the tools for the job then give him a shot. Under normal circumstances, Jack Byrne, as a LOI player should be nowhere near the national team, but he is because of our utter lack of creativity in that department. So why not Carey?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
He is 32 and not that good.
No question the guy has high level talent to do exceptional things from time to time, but some of the stats and comments I’ve seen here seem to indicate he’s a guy that doesn’t have the consistency to deliver that on a regular basis. I hear the sentiment that there was a window where this guy could have added value but we really can’t afford to waste development minutes (and that’s what the rest of this campaign is) on an uncapped 32 year old playing in what’s ultimately a second or third tier league.
And for consistency’s sake I don’t want to see McClean get any more minutes either. We really need to move on.
Jayson Molumby is 22 and not that good. I believe if you're good enough you're neither too young nor too old.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Well he has already played more at a higher level than Carey ever did for starters. There were no shortage of examples you could have used to make your point there to be fair but Molumbuy was a strange one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
You're right - it was a clumsy effort at qualifying the never-too-young-or-too-old viewpoint - comparing two players with a ten-year age difference and their credentials for selection. Let me try again: Molumby has 12 caps solely on the back of a loan spell at Millwall. Since then nothing except bench-warming - yet he's prominent in Kenny's set-up. If Carey is a standout in a Championship-standard league, does he not deserve a fair go too, even at the ancient age of 32?Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
He would. But he’s not and it’s not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
You're not a fan of Cullen so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
No problem with Cullen. He’s doing a fine job for us. He was called up aged 23 while playing Championship football and is now playing for one of the biggest teams in the 8th ranked league in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
However, to go back on topic, the Bulgarian league is not equivalent standard to the Championship and Carey is not tearing it up, as you claim. Ignoring his age for a moment, if even one of those two claims was accurate, he’d deserve all this talk of a call up.
You win. Congratulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Three assists for CSKA today in their second game back after the winter break in Bulgaria
If it came to a point where there was an argument to pick that type of player somewhere in the squad, would it be Carey, Crowley or Jack Byrne. I'm almost thinking Carey has done more to merit an opportunity.
Haven't seen Carey or Crowley play and it's up in the air if Byrne is the same player he was 2 years ago. He will have to light it up for rovers to get a look in. I'm still a believer but he's a long way away right now.
IF we were looking at edge cases in that type of role I'd say Conor Ronan would be ahead of all 3 and...dare I say it...maybe Wes? Doing a fine job in League One!
First half hat trick of assists for Carey tonight against Slavia Sofia, assisting goals in the 2nd, 20th, and 36th minutes
Carey has left CSKA upon the expiration of his contract.
What next? A final fling in the LoI?
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