I thought this was what Derry were doing. If they were stupid enough not to try to hide the extra payments as remuneration for a second job then they deserve whatever they get :(Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
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I thought this was what Derry were doing. If they were stupid enough not to try to hide the extra payments as remuneration for a second job then they deserve whatever they get :(Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
How could someone playing for fingal have a second role at dcfc?Quote:
Originally Posted by rerun
Come to think about it, if he was on loan at fingal, how much of his wages were dcfc still paying?
None..... isn't that why we're all here? ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
All of them. A loaned player is paid by the club he 'belongs to' and the club he's on loan at pays loan fees directly to the them.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
So Derry would have been paying Quigley's wages, and Fingal paying Derry some set amount- perhaps all of his contract, perhaps less.
Ding!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Another potential creditor.
If only Quigley had signed the deal that was offered at the start of the season by Dundalk.:(
Feel bad for the Derry fans there isn't a nicer bunch of lads in the league always made welcome up there , one positive to come from the situation is that the FAI are giving ye a helping hand to get rid of the bunch of lying muppets running the club.
The FAI have literally put us out of Senior football, there is NO positives !Quote:
Originally Posted by dublinred
Malpractice or not the fans of this club will suffer as a result.
Couldnt agree more !Quote:
Originally Posted by shep
The IFA kicked you out for 16 years and you came back stronger all you need to do is get rid of the muppets as you have a decent ground by LOI standards and a great fanbase , a couple of years in the wilderness won't do any harm if some decent people can get control of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by dortie
He still wouldn't have been paid the full contract amount agreed....Quote:
Originally Posted by shep
This post has convinced me that you are a total idiot. You would have preferred that we continued to break rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by dortie
Derry City have done nothing but cheat for the past two seasons. It's not Darren's fault.
Hopefully Derry can get on with the real work of trying to save the club financially and work with FAI to keep senior soccer alive in the town.
Wasn't specifically thinking about Quigley, though I see your point on that issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
Is there a chance that a reformed club are offered a licence for the 1st Division, and that this club is run by the community with a 2-3 full-time admin staff? If 1,000 people pay £2 a week, that's £2,000 to pay players and staff with, the rest can be made up with gates, matchday take and sponsors. Get rid of large shareholders, let everyone be equal, paying £2 and no more per week. Isn't this the new Drogheda model? This is the way operated by a couple of clubs on the continent and while they're not int he top flight they are solvent, competitive and develop young players. Derry is too important a football base to not have in the LOI.
Hard done by?
Fcuk, we just fell into the Foyle and came out with smoked Salmon and caviar for tea.
If things pan out as Delaney hopes, we've been absolutely steeped in it.
*Cough* - 12 years and a little under 11 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by dublinred
I thoguht you'd still be holding out for some facts Dortie... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dortie
It's looking very likely that we'll be in the First Division next year, so we're not out of football.
And if we were it wouldn't be the FAI who put us, but that shower of muppets who've been running our club (into the ground). Stop blaming the FAI for our wrong doings.
the ifa did not kick derry city out of the irish league.Quote:
Originally Posted by dublinred
the ifa told them to play their games away from the brandywell due to the inability for safety to be provided there. derry city did play elsewhere for a while then decided it wasn't viable to carry on and (correct me if i am wrong) decided to withdraw themselves voluntarily from the league. after a time they entered a junior league for a while and requested to re-enter the senior league. the other clubs voted on their re-entry and derry city lost by a single vote and one abstention. if you look around you can find out which way each club voted.
this myth that the ifa kicked derry city out of the irish league is just that, a myth.
blame the targetting of other clubs for violence when visiting, causing derry city's original problem of not being able to host teams safely at the brandywell,
blame the ifa (or certain individuals in the ifa might be more appropriate) for not making it easy (understatement) for derry city (even from a few years before and their european tie)
blame derry city for not being prepared to play away from the brandywell any longer (only 10 games i believe),
blame the clubs who decided to vote against them coming back,
blame the ifa for not doing more to persuade the clubs to vote them back in,
there are probably a hundred more "blames", but its hard to blame the ifa for ever kicking derry city out of the irish league when the facts show they didn't actually do that.
You are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by -lamb-
1) It wasn't the IFA that stopped them playing there, it was the league which was not run by the IFA at the time.
2) The IFA and the security forces both agreed it was safe for them to return to the Brandy, again the clubs and the league ignored the professionals advice and refused.
They may not have kicked them out but they didnt leave them with much of a choice.
A comparable situation in a workplace would be called constructive dismissal.
i posted mainly as some people seem to have it in their heads that the ifa kicked derry city out.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
the fai DID kick derry city out, but the ifa, on the other hand, did not.
fair point on 1), even if a lot of written sources on the situation also fail to make that same distinction.
i never mentioned 2) so couldn't have been wrong on it. (knew it but forgot to mention it tbh)
when was the security all clear given by the way? i thought it was some time later (as in years after their initial ban on using the brandywell).
did derry city only played 10 games away from the brandywell before withdrawing of their own accord?
Semantics!Quote:
Originally Posted by -lamb-
It matters little if they kicked them, pushed them or looked the other way while someone else did the dirty work.
By their action, or inaction, they failed Derry City, and football in Northern Ireland. They left themselves open to accusations. While for others it merely confirmed their suspicions of the organisation.
don't disagree, some of the il clubs/ifa ballsed up by their actions and refused for way longer than any security worries justified. it wasn't perfect in the mid 80s either but it was a damn sight better than the early 70s.
isn't that shown by portadown, c'ville, bangor and ballymena all backing derry city, with glentoran's then chairman backing their loi application as he realised it had gone on too long as well?
it's unfair to tar the whole of the il or even the whole of the ifa as wanting derry city gone. it simply was never the case.
I believe after Derry City were kicked out of the Brandywell that they played a few home games in Coleraine....Quote:
Originally Posted by -lamb-
Way longer? The RUC gave the go ahead to return for the following season.Quote:
Originally Posted by -lamb-
Lamb, if you ever get your hands on the correspondence between the IFA and DCFC in the early eighties they did everything in their power to make it impossible for the club. (And before you ask Mr P, now I won't send you a copy of it:p)
had an idea it was within a few years but wasn't 100% on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
i can still understand the other teams' wariness back then though, but not some clubs' attitudes into the mid 80s.
as for the ifa....i would suggest powerful members rather than the organisation as a whole, and i have a feeling you may agree.
Be that as it may, if the correspondence is coming from the representative of the organisation, that has to be taken as the stated position.Quote:
Originally Posted by -lamb-