That's why I'm so happy over Cork folding. They'll be careful next time surely ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
That's why I'm so happy over Cork folding. They'll be careful next time surely ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Sad attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
The vasy majority of Cork City supporters are decent sporting fans.
Don't understand how any right minded LOI supporter could take satisfation in the loss of an important club like Cork City.
The demise of Cork City is on a totally different scale to Dublin City. We have a history and a generation that has grown up with the club. Dublin City was still in its infancy.:(
James has posted a great post on the City seciton http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=121601
You're wrong [no surprise there though].Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
wow so your supporting an organisaition that has actually contributed NOTING to your club, you club that is now gone,Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
if they didnt help out during the examinership process (probably the biggest issue in CCFCs History), and they gave no support what to speak of to the club, exactly WTF do they do,
Your comment would have some grounding if it wasn't blatantly clear FORAS has never had a proper opportunity to actually help out. Whilst their €80000 or so they have to give might well be alot to most clubs, it's a small portion of what is needed to get the club out of the hole it is in at the moment. They could sent it to Mr Coughlan today, and the club would very likely still be history come Friday. On the other hand, they could be smart and save it to form a fan-owned A League team next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
Anyway, hearing a Cobh fan slag off other clubs for their supporters input is a bit much considering the mess you guys let yourselves to get into.
Tom Coughlan has thrown in the towel.
Today's Examiner:
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"We’re in a very difficult environment as regards sponsorship. We’re doing the best we can. But we’re up against it, I’m not so sure we’ll get there at this stage to be honest."
"It’s very challenging," he admitted. "I see it as something that the community needs. Maybe I’m alone in thinking that and maybe I have to question that. There are some fantastic sporting organisations out there and maybe there isn’t room for the League of Ireland. It’s a tough learning curve but I don’t have any regrets.
"We’re doing our damndest but our damndest may not be enough. There aren’t a lot of deep pockets out there. People are in their own jams and that’s perfectly understandable. It’s going to be very difficult."
he appears completely out of touch and taking zero blame. Cork came out of examinership and should have taken a step back so to speak to steady the ship etc etc but instead he ploughed on and drove up costs - Cork are were hey are simply because of his management.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
Crazy stuff from him - it looks like he actually beleives his own rubbish ..... :confused:
Obviously every Cork fans heart is hoping they can survive. But, is there any Cork fans who in their head is saying: A-league, supporter run, supporter owned; maybe this is the best way for the long term future of LOI in Cork?
Most of us are.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
We all want to see the club survive but no one in their right mind is going to hand over money with Coughlan still at the helm.
History doesnt pay the taxman. Time clubs realised that past glories are just that - past. The future is where its at.Quote:
Originally Posted by harry crumb
Am totally gutted for Cork and their fans.
You were wrong in your original assertion, you're just highlighting your ignorance of what the trust is in your one quoted above. You know nothing about the ins and outs of the trust and it's relationship with the club, you're making ridiculous comments and having swipes through a number of threads now [i assume it's because you're from Cobh and i someway connected to a certain indiviudal].Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
FORAS were heavily involved in the examinership process, but were not speaking for the club[which is what you stated and were wrong about], FORAS did a lot more than help out. The examiner has publicly stated that FORAS were key to a successful outcome, with the presiding judge highlighting the contribution.
FORAS welcomed the emergence from examinership and offered the new owner support, but didn't realease a statement saying he was 'the right man for the job' [which is what you stated and were wrong about].
FORAS have saved the club literally tens of thousands of euro this season getting nothing back in return [nor asking for anything back in return bar the opportunity to help even more]. FORAS have given money over to the club in sponsorhip, and this week are paying for the printing of the programme for the Bray game because no print company in Cork will touch the club right now.
If you'd like to learn more and actually hear what a group of volunteers have given up the past year of their lives doing, feel free to pop along to the public meeting in the Telecom Club in Cork tonight, 7.30pm.
Drogheda took a wiser course. They may still be relegated but the club survives. That is the important thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanDrog
Dundalk have shown that rebuilding in the first division is possible.
Cork City FC were greedy and inflated the expectations of their supporters.
It's bad for the supporters as it is all out of their control. But Cork as a club, the people who run it, they are getting what they deserved. In the last couple of seasons it has been evident they where in big trouble. But instead of cutting back completely and restarting with a sustainable model, they continued to spend spend spend.
Cork City have no one to blame but themselves. I'm not gloating as it's not something to gloat about, but Cork City needed to tighten their belts and they didn't and didn't even attempt to. They got what they deserved.
The rest of the LOI and to a far lesser extent the Irish League need to take note of CCFCs plight and learn from their mistakes. It is not hard to set out a budget that is affordable and sticking to it. A budget that is flexible as in, income is 20% less than projected, the budget should be able to handle that.
It seems people are exceeding what they can afford, or they are budgeting at the very limit of projected income and when that projected income is slightly less, they are in trouble.
Can someone explain something to me please.
Why were Cork included in the Setanta Cup Draw??
Why is their game on Friday still down to go ahead??
Why is there no mention of all this on the LOI website??
Answers appreciated.
Because they still exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by eamo1
They can't be excluded from anything until they go kaput. There was a statement on the LOI website but until things are finalised, they can't make any announcements on what "may" happen
Bonuse's of €1000 per goal and €500 a clean sheet under the guildance of arkraga.
seen this, wow a grand for a goal. that was serious money. wouldnt ya bust a gut to score if that was up for grabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conroy
Maybe you wouldn't be too eager to pass to a better placed colleague?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
true :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
id shoot from all angles.
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Originally Posted by don ramo
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Originally Posted by tiktok
so i asked did FORAS help during the examinership proscess, you said NO,Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
so what did they say to couglan "best of luck tom, but just to let ya know we dont think your the right man for the job"
im not connected to cork city in anyway, ive friends who support city, and even they seem at a loss to what exactly FORAS do,
you say theyve saved the clubs thousands, asking noting in return, there a Supporters Club, wouldnt be a very good SC if they asked for there money back,
thats fair enough that they sponsor the team and are printing programs,
see i didnt know that, and you bit my head of explaining it, is that how your gonna convince fans to follow a new club if FORAS form one,
im happy and sad, because i know there were fans who did there best to help, but at the same time you cant expect the club to survive when its being run the way it is, and i feel sorry for the fans cause they have no control over it,
we were lucky enough to keep our club and its history intact, so im fairly happy down here, and if ye do form a new team next year ill look forward to playing ye,
25 years? So were Cork!Quote:
Originally Posted by harry crumb
You asked if it was as an official entity to represent the club's interest's. FORAS were not representing the club with the examiner and the High Court. FORAS were an independent, affected third party. So no was the correct answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
No, but no statement said he was the right man either, FORAS always made it clear that the choice was the examiners and FORAS would support and seek to work with whoever he chose.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
FORAS isn't a supporters club, it's a legally registered industrial and providental society, a not-for-profit limited company with directors bound by Irish Company Law. I wasn't talking about getting money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
I apologise for 'biting your head off', can you put it down to frustration with the situation we find ourselves in. You'd made a lot of comments in recent days about what foras is and isn't doing, most of it was inaccurate. If you'd started by asking 'what are Foras doing' rather than stating 'FORAS are doing nothing' you would have gottena friendlier answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
I see first hand what people are putting into this and it's far from easy, especially when the bulk of it is outside of our control.
That we can agree on.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
So what is the update on this.
1pm on Wed, which gives CCFC, a full day and half to raise the money.
Is this looking likely ?
Why would FORAS hand over money that they can put to better use? If they gave this money to Coughlan that would be it for them, at least they are doing what Coughlan should have done himself when he took over and be a little carefull first and like a previous comment done what Drogheda had to do and scale things down. From what I see FORAS were clever not to hand over money they broke their backs to raise when it would be just whittled away and no end result. At least now if the club goes to the A league they will have funds to cover them unlike others.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
The players are due to be paid today afaik.
Has anyone heard if they have been paid.
As I said before the best and only outcome for cork now is for them to be wound up on friday and foras then set-up a new club properly run.
Have Foras been in touch with the FAI about the possibility of doing this?
It is in every clubs best interest that Foras get a sustainable well run club together.
Saw this myself, so if Doolin's comments are true then i reckon a lot of sympathy will be los for Cork's demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conroy
Shocking if true, what Irish club has that type of money to pay out on a weekly basis in bonus payments ?
FORAS have, and are continuing to, explore all the options.Quote:
Originally Posted by tippex
We also have a good relationship with the FAI and are in fairly regular contact
I don't think many had sympathy for Coughlan and how the club was being run. People's sympathy is for the fans who have lost their club.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns
And may I add that what their reason for being is to build up enough money and experience to enable the fans to one day own and run CCFC. A goal that Coughlan publicly stated he shared but he had very few dealings with Foras when he found out theyQuote:
FORAS isn't a supporters club, it's a legally registered industrial and providental society, a not-for-profit limited company with directors bound by Irish Company Law. I wasn't talking about getting money back.
weren't going to give him money anytime he wanted it.
To my knowledge Coughlan did not and has not even contacted Foras about getting money to pay the tax debt. Instead he tried to launched his own initiative by selling shares to allow fans to own the club, no doubt with him as largest shareholder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I agree though, we should be fighting relegation not fighting for our existence.
That was under the previous regime, Arkaga. Though no one really knows what system Coughlan has going.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns
Having this hang over you not once but twice in as many seasons really rams home the difference between club and owners. The club is the players, fans, employees, volunteers and even businesses that rely on the club. Most of the criticisms are true, Arkaga and Coughlan ran the club in a totally reckless way and it's not fair on clubs who run themselves properly. But the biggest losers are those who have the least say in how the club is run.Quote:
I don't think many had sympathy for Coughlan and how the club was being run. People's sympathy is for the fans who have lost their club.
According to our forum, the players were told they are free agents as they werent paid today.
It just gets worse for Cork City fansQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
There is more chance of Raheny Red being nice to Cork fans then there is off Cork City getting the money they oweQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
That's really ****e tbh. I'm not surprised if it's true. Feel really sorry for everyone down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Better for them to be free agents now when they will at least have a chance to find another club.
Hartlepool and Ipswich must be feeling pretty stupid about handing over fees right now!
so is there game going ahead friday or not, will the players chance getting injured, now that there free agents,
fair enough, thanks for clearing that up,Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Will Tom Coughlan now be banned from being a director of any company for x years?:confused:
Think its a 5 year ban he getsQuote:
Originally Posted by corkharps