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Has the Australian squad been decided? Can't find anything.
Yes, see top of page 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
'Australian squad', as in, the other team's squad;).Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
can anyone ban doc?
Did you see the games against Salzburg? No because you could be ar$ed to get off your barstool man! He was excellent in those two games! So if the great and mighty Westwood (who I doubt anyone has seen him play more than 5 games for Coventry last season) made a mistake who you want him dropped? No of course not. Brian Murphy is a lot better than Joe Murphy a League 1 keeper. Liam Miller is finished. Has been for 2years. Keith Fahey is 10times the play Miller ever was. What about Chris McCann, Stephen Quinn or John Joe O'Toole? Christ even Gary Deegan would be better than that has-been! Whats the point of friendlies if your not going to give new players a chance ffs! And don't give me this fittness sh!te.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Maybe Millers inclusion is to give him a helping hand it getting a club.
I don't think the lad is much use but it is not any harm to give him a boost.
Its more of a mystery why he has been in some of the previous squads to be honest.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
For giving insightful posts?
Being able to recognised players with talent?
For not being taken in by the "McShane and Bruce are good enough" rubbish?
This is a football forum, I thought it was all about opinions!
The fact that your ability to "recognised players with talent" only stretches to the club you support is whats grating , I suggest if St Ledger didn't play for Preston you wouldn't be singing his praises so highly and you certainly wouldn't be disparaging young players unfortunate enough to play in the same position as himQuote:
Originally Posted by the doc
Barstool? You obviously have no idea but that's irrelevant to the discussion so I don't need to "prove" myself to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
I saw the games. Overall he was good but made two basic errors for both goals which can not be overlooked. The reason why they could have been costly is because he was been looked at in those games to possibly name him in the squad. It's important to perform your best when in the spotlight.
I've seen Westwood play far more than five time this season. He's definitely going to be our future number one when Given has to retire. He also was named the best keeper in the Championship last season so I don't see how he hasn't proved himself as undoubtedly our number two keeper at the moment. Obviously people still can't make a balanced judgement of him due to his comments over a year ago.
And Brian Murphy is a League of Ireland keeper, what's your point? If you are going to judge how good players are based on what league they play in you are automatically ruling out Brian Murphy.Quote:
Brian Murphy is a lot better than Joe Murphy a League 1 keeper.
Joe Murphy was named League One keeper of the season so, like Westwood, he has merited his inclusion. He continued his great form when under spotlight in the playoffs and is in the squad because he is a better goalkeeper than Brian Murphy.
Was the Nigeria game more than 2 years ago?Quote:
Liam Miller is finished. Has been for 2years.
I don't think new players should be given a chance in friendlies at this stage of the qualifying campaign. Time is limited in international football as it is and the more time the core group of the squad has together the better. Most of the players you mentioned will get a chance to show what they can do in the Premiership soon enough, as has been mentioned previously, so it's not imperative that they be seen up close as may have been the case if they were still playing in the Championship.Quote:
Keith Fahey is 10times the play Miller ever was. What about Chris McCann, Stephen Quinn or John Joe O'Toole? Christ even Gary Deegan would be better than that has-been! Whats the point of friendlies if your not going to give new players a chance ffs! And don't give me this fittness sh!te.
Steady!Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Nearly everyone on this board were saying that McShane and Bruce should be ahead of St Ledger, I stood my ground and said otherwise.
I'll also have you know that I go to all the Ireland games home and away too!
yes thats the main reason, but all along he was st ledger must play etc etc, now that he is playing he puts up a club v country thing as though he agrees and that was just the final straw for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Get a life O'Sulk!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
The National team must always come first!
Yes, Miler played well in the last (training) match (against a weakened Nigeria), but this is international football ffs - its not like a club side where one good game can get you included for the next. Miller has to show some sort of consistency, and he still hasn't done that in an Ireland jersey. (I doubt he ever will)Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Fahey is a better player - a blind man can see that.
Westwood is English, thats not even debatable. Besides, Murphy is better than Joe Murphy.
So was Townsend,Morrison, McCarthy, Lawrenson,Kilbane.... and so onQuote:
Originally Posted by joema
You're way off there. Way off. I don't know many people on here that wanted McShane or Bruce in ahead of St Ledger. I'm probably on my own with McShane tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
Completely incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Kilbane, McCarthy and Lawrenson are English-born Irishmen. Big difference.
To put Kilbane in that category is way off the mark. Kilbane could have represented England at underage level on a number of occasions but turned them down.
Back on topic - I wish Trap could be a bit more adventurous with friendly squads.
Ah you get my over all point though. There have been plenty of English lads in the Green Shirt over the years.Too many people still think of Westwoods comment about being a good catholic boy when the lad cleared that up ages ago and said it was a joke taken completely outta context.Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Because this friendly is going to be so much more competitive?Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Well he was in the squads before this one so it is obvious that he has not been selected based on one performance.Quote:
- its not like a club side where one good game can get you included for the next.
Even if that was the case how does that make him any less of a player?Quote:
Westwood is English, thats not even debatable.
OK, whatever you say. You've sure proved me wrong.Quote:
Besides, Murphy is better than Joe Murphy.
By no means does a lad have to be born In Ireland to play for us. I am more than happy to have English born lads in the squad, if they want to play for Irish and feel Irish. That is a different issue and has been done to death on this forum anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
But anyone who says they "are not Irish as such" doesn't deserve to ear the green, IMO.
Exactly. This friendly will not be any more competitive, therefore we won't learn any more about Miller, no matter how well he plays. So it is a perfect opportunity to see what Fahey can do!Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
And I'm not debating how good a player Westwood is - I'm just saying that he shouldn't be considered for selection for Ireland.
Wasn't trying to change your mind about which Murphy is better. So your sarcastic reply really wan't warranted.
I rate Fahey higher than Miller, but I don't believe they're the same type of player. Fahey would play as a wide player in Trap's system.Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Not saying I agree with it, but it's just the way it is, so comparing the two is pointless.
But even if they were vying for the same position, Trap is running our national team like a club. Friendlies are not merely experiments, they are trial runs for qualifying games. Players will not be dropped from our squad because there is a player who could be better, they are dropped when they don't perform, or if a player demonstrates beyond debate that he is superior at club level.
I'm not a fan of Miller, but he performed well against Nigeria, and to drop him would send the wrong message to everybody.
We all ripped into Benitez for dropping Keane after he scored two goals in the previous match while at Liverpool, and now many are upset that Miller has retained his place after an impressive performance for us?
Trap's whole message is that it doesn't matter whether you are a bench player or a starter at your club- if you're doing the business for Ireland you will keep your spot. Whelan and Folan come to mind as players who were not always figuring for their clubs, but have played important roles for us so far, and have thus kept their spots.
Club performances are important, and do tell us a certain amount about what our players are capable of, but it shouldn't be the be-all and end-all.
http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/News...736691,00.html
hunt surely be pulled from the squad,perfect opportunity to call up fahey but it might result in S.reids call up?
I doubt Fahey won't be called up as a result as he is not a direct replacement for Hunt (out and out winger). Ditto with Steven Reid. Trap has named four other wingers (cos he counts Keogh...) so I would be surprised if a replacement is called if Hunt has to pull out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wexford Delboy
yeah i realise fahey isnt an out and out winger but in traps system thats probably where hed be played...still think its a missed opportunity to give someone else a run out in the squad
But my point is that he won't get a look in in Trap's system as he only uses out and out wingers.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wexford Delboy
from Blackburn's site: http://www.rovers.co.uk/page/NewsDet...738268,00.html
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Interestingly, Steven Reid, who is continuing his comeback from long-term injury, has been named on the standby list, but the match is expected to be a little too soon for him to be considered.
Btw Andrews has been banging in the goals for B'burn in pre-season, could be a good season for the lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Trap considers S.Reid a major doubt for the Cyprus game, don't mind the Socceroos so there's little chance of him being called up if Hunt pulls out
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Realistically, Trapattoni conceded that Reid -- who has spent almost a year on the sidelines with his latest injury woe -- is a long shot to be even ready for the trip to Cyprus on September 5. Naming him as a back-up here only goes to show the esteem in which he is held by the Irish management.
"With his type of injury (knee) it is very dangerous to rush back too soon," Trapattoni warned.
I´m a bit surprised by a few selecting Foley for RB
Despite a poor 1st half against Bulgaria, Stephen Kelly is ahead of Foley for the RB spot.
This is a friendly to prepare the team for our last few group games.
Is Finnan injured ?
At last, someone else has copped on to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Most here think it's a talent show to give new caps out to anyone Irish playing at a decent level. Isn't that what Stan did?
Were people seeing this as anything other than a warm up for the Cyprus qualifier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Plenty of people in this thread do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Judging by the disdain shown by many for the lack of Fahey, McCann, McCarthy, Murphy and others, yes, it looks like plenty were looking on this as a chance to look at new faces rather than what it really is - a warm up for the Cyprus game.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The team and immediate back-up is well established. Marginal squad places are up for grabs but our qualification prospects won't be affected by who's left out of the Australia squad.
The uncapped players will have the Premiership shop window to play themselves into contention for the Italy squad, maybe even Cyprus.
None of the English based players has played a competitive club game since we played Bulgaria. On what basis to people see the newcomers as being better options now than they were on the 6th June?
Players like Lawrence are probably worth an immediate look more than McCann or McCarthy. We have 4 good CM options if S. Reid is fit, but we're sparcely covered out wide. fahey may or may not be better than Miller but the fact is Miller played really well in his last game for us (mirabale visu).
Trap makes changes slowly but he does make them. Best, Nolan, St. Ledger, Folan, Westwood, Andrews, Foley and others have all played themselves into the squad. Others can do the same.
Some people might say that, in trying to be a bit too smart, you tezzed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Yes it's not a French forum :D
Isn't that Latin?
It's supposed to be latin, his French isn't that much better, fortunately he is sound in football matters.
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Originally Posted by Diarmo
Yes that was what the big grin was for, intended to be a joke!
As in here at 3:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcpu9...eature=related
I know my latin as well as my football ;)
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