No doubt, when your video goes up on DFC TV, it will include that incident and perhaps it will be brought to the attention of the powers that be!Quote:
Originally Posted by Black and White
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No doubt, when your video goes up on DFC TV, it will include that incident and perhaps it will be brought to the attention of the powers that be!Quote:
Originally Posted by Black and White
what Rogers done on Friday was indefenceable , its lack of respect for his team , the Pat's Team , and both sets of Fans............................he deserves to be sacked.
Its obvious that he had not got the interest of his team on the forefront of his mind.
You go to work today and pull a Mooner .................................................. and see what the consequences would be.
Did anyone see the RTÉ report? It said he "allegedly" dropped his shorts! I don't see what exactly is "alleged", when he did it in front of several thousand witnesses, RTÉ's own TV cameras, and a whole load of photographers!
In my part time job as a male stripper, it's actually rewarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by baddebt
I think the board where entirely correctly in dispensing of his services. However this is being appealed and my hope is that everything was done by the book so rogers and the pfai don't have a leg to stand on.
Though there is a further outlying issue here and its club discipiline. Connor can talk about agenda against us by refs and people in control and everything else but 7 red cards in 13 games tells its own story. Dicipline starts from top down and our manager has instill this in his players.
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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
The match was Friday wasnt it? And he was sacked over the weekend. Seems too quick for correct process to be followed. He should have been suspended pending an investigation, then invited to a disciplinary hearing with an option of union representation and a decision made after that. If that decision was to dismiss at that point, so be it. That process would normally take at least a week.
Worryingly for Dundalk supporters, I think he may have a good case when it goes to court for unfair dismissal. Not on the grounds of wether mooning is a sackable offence or not, but on the grounds of was correct process followed for dismissal.
Might have a bad effect on team morale at Dundalk if Rogers was liked in the dressing room.
He only did it for a laugh and in fairness its not all that offensive to do it in front of a few hundred away fans but he should of known he would be a sent off for it and from that point of view it was completely unprofessional and stupid.
Moran never gave the fingers,he threw his hands in the air towards the shed and can you blame him after connor promised him a contract and gave him his word only to show him the door.
Thats a very fair point regarding the timescale.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
Certainly there are plenty of cases of unfair dismissal claims being upheld because of flawed proceedure by the employer, along the lines that you outline above.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
While I am no employment expert, I understand that there are some cases where instant dismissal is deemed to be reasonable and legal. Gross indecency may well be one of these.
Either way, I agree with you, it would have been more prudent of the Dundalk board to suspend him pending a disciplinary hearing.
It will also be revealing to hear Sean Connor's comments on this episode. If the board reached this action withour his approval/agreement, in my view it makes his position untenable, as it erodes his authority.
While I would not necessarily place much store in the veracity of the Irish Independents' Neil Ahern reportage, his speculation in todays edition is worrying
" Rogers was unavailable for comment yesterday but he, and some of his former team-mates, are said to be disillusioned at the decision"
How in the name of god do you know all this...oh wait you must be Morans father who exaggerates alot!Quote:
Originally Posted by disabledrog
Moran's a tosser anyway, always has been.
You don't know what your blathering on about!Quote:
Originally Posted by disabledrog
Kyle Moran was offered and accepted a trial at Dundalk pre-season, after he was turfed out at Newry City FC. (The Newry manager had some pretty damming things to say about his attitude). The trial at Oriel did not last long! Poor Kyle is a legend in his own lunchtime.
Surely you have enough ammunition for slagging Sean Connor without inventing new stuff.
Promised a contract me backside, he done a bit of training and wasn't good enough, end of. The Newry manager had a right go at him, something along the lines of.."He think's he's Pele, we don't want that sort of attitude around our club"...:D
Belfast Telegraph - 02 January 2009
"Newry City boss Gerry Flynn launched a blistering attack on his striker Kyle Moran ......
However, the steam was coming from Flynn’s ears as he explained why former Derry City frontman Moran had slipped off his Christmas card list.
“There is one particular player who will not be here come Saturday – Kyle Moran,” said Flynn. “I’ll be making a decision and speaking to the board. His attitude absolutely stinks and I don’t want him anywhere near the club.
“Come Monday at the latest he won’t be here because he’s not the sort of player I want here. I would be surprised if another club come in for him, especially after they hear what I have to say. He was at Manchester United and he thinks he’s Pele but I don’t want him near the club. "
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14126434.html
Moran has one of the worst attitudes I've ever seen. And he's ****e
Well if true, it wouldn't be the first time that Sean Connor has promised players contracts and then gone back on his word. Ask Dessie Byrne (and others).Quote:
Originally Posted by Black and White
Never heard about him mooning at the League Cup final. Not say it's not true, just that I've never heard that alleged before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
There were, however, complaints from players about him mooning in training.........
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Originally Posted by LukeO
You are really gullible if you think there is even the remotest possibility of there being a shred of truth in this Kyle Moran yarn.
Think this is one and the same. Allegedly the day of LC final on the Brandy pitch during a training session if you believe the stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeO
Thought it was a training session at Bohs training ground, when they were practising penalties a few days before the LC final? Beside a school yard too! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
It was pre-match at the Brandywell from what I heard.
Regarding Rogers, he's meeting with the PFAI today about his 'unfair dismissal' according to the paper.
I heard it was in the grounds of a convent. Beside a orphanage too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers1
Rogers' Press Statement
Following the statement made by my employers Dundalk Football Club on Saturday 23 May, I confirm that I was involved in an incident during a match against St Patrick's Athletic the previous night.
As a former player of St Patrick's Athletic, a club I left on good terms, I was engaged in some good-natured banter with some of the fans, many of whom I know from my time at the club. In response to some light-hearted jibes from some of these fans, I briefly lowered my shorts in what I considered to be an amusing gesture. The fans reacted in a similar manner and took no offence, to the best of my knowledge. A referee's assistant who saw the incident reported it to the referee who gave me a straight red card.
With the benefit of hindsight, I can now see that what I did was unwise. I accept that the red card was fully justified and I am personally disappointed that I let the team, the fans and my manager down in such an important match.
However, what has followed since from my employers, is in my view, completely unacceptable from both a footballing and human perspective.
No-one from the club has ever sought my version of events, given me an opportunity to state my case or even had the courtesy to personally inform me of my dismissal. They have clearly contravened FAI rules and the relevant employment laws.
While I accept that my actions were unhelpful to my team, I do not believe that they were offensive and, by no stretch of the imagination, could they be described as serious misconduct such as to justify my dismissal.
I would have expected Dundalk at a minimum to treat me in a fair and reasonable manner, but I feel that I have been hung out to dry by my employers and I am bitterly disappointed.
Dave Rogers Statement.
http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/dundal...ent.5300317.jp
This is Sean Connor we're talking about.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
That's what I thought too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers1
Disgraceful if true.Quote:
No-one from the club has ever sought my version of events, given me an opportunity to state my case or even had the courtesy to personally inform me of my dismissal
Rico abslutely spot on tonight on MNS about this - seems to be a wholly cynical attempt to try to lessen the wage bill
Damien Richardson mentions 6 inches there on MNS, How could he see from the stand :)
Would you ever ***** off Rico, Eoin Hand made a great point about the kids and parents at the game, and crap like that would turn them off taking them back to another game.
He'll be suing anyway judging by that. Hope the board sought legal advice first.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
Fair play Rico. And didn't really appreciate Hand's comments on what people would get away with at his clubs given how long its been since hes managed a club.
Two words, Michael Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Who??Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
Haha lets hope it stays that way. Seeing a little bit of a man's arse comes to nothing in comparison to some of the violent acts I've seen in this league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Would somebody think of the children :rolleyes:. When people bring their kids to a LOI match they are more worried about the kids being scarred by the **** matches than seen 1/4 of someones arse 40 yards away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Losing at home to a ten man St.Pat's side is sure to entice them back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Rico was spot on and the whole "won't somebody think of the children" routine is comical.
So then let's go over to George Dawes - and say "What are the scores, George Dawes?"
Racist Comment - 5 game ban, Club Fine
Showing a tiny bit of your arse - Instant Dismissal without telling the bloke first, possible burning at the stake or stoning
I'm wondering what'll happen next to top even that...
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Originally Posted by tiktok
Eh? It was Dundalk who went down to ten men, Rogers was sent off for flashing his arse, remember.
To be fair, I kind of doubt his version of events was ever going to sway their decision, whether you subscribe to the cynical cost-cutting theory or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
That said, not informing him sounds lousy - unless he means his agent was informed by their solicitor or something, in which case he needs to grow up (more so).
Regardless, not calling him in to discuss it could be technically against some labour law, which might give him his day in court.