I think Stu meant that Forde being described as a competent championship player doesn't mean he can't be a Celtic target, as Celtic have bought Championship players in the past.
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I think Stu meant that Forde being described as a competent championship player doesn't mean he can't be a Celtic target, as Celtic have bought Championship players in the past.
I know what he meant, but then he should say it...
Regardless of that DF still isn't good enough IMO.
Ireland, maybe as a reserve, but if he's our 'best', it's a poor state of affairs.
Prompted by Boruc's howler against Arsenal, Peter Schmeichel made some interesting comments on MOTD2 last night. He said that a keeper's only consideration when receiving a back pass under a bit of pressure is to get the ball clear. He says there is too much pressure on keepers today to be seen to be accurate with their clearances. I just thought that this was interesting in context of discussion on Forde's kicking.
I think Lloris's kicking was called into scrutiny yesterday too.
Under pressure fair enough, the most important thing is to get rid of it. Forde's kicking is poor even when under no major pressure though, same with Lloris for the first goal yesterday.
Osarusan, you would be proud i met with Takayuki Ishimori a few weeks ago. We talked soccer a bit.
I have no idea who that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
I could be way off, but knowing the way Crosby is, I'd imagine its just some random Jap with a small following for some obscure reason, which would be lost on most here.
Edit: looks like he is some mayor Takayuki Ishimori
Ok so not some obscure guy with a small following, but the point still stands, its just Crosby being Crosby trying to be funny :P I thought it was funny anyway.
Lennon turned Zen-non? Pah - easy done when the SPL is a pressure free zone. He's going soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Well if you knew what I meant then you should have addressed the point made instead of being unnecessarily facetious about how I wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
But I think it is fair to say that competent Championship players are exactly the type of player that Celtic do and should go after. Of course, Forster himself was signed from a team that had just been promoted from League One after having been sent there and around the lower divisions on loan. Turned out okay.
As I said initially, Fordes age is the only thing that would cause me to question the value of the deal from Celtics perspective. His ability is where it needs to be for a team like Celtic.
Except Forde's no Forster.
And never will be...
Thanks, but no thanks.
Ive talked about the mayor with Osarusan before, he must have been blacked out. He went the the U Osa teaches at. Im not quite as dumb as you all would have me be. Well, maybe.
Anyway More Forde to Celtic talk: Tims on the fence.
http://www.irishcentral.com/IrishVoi...233695901.html
Indeed you did, and indeed he did. I had forgotten about it (probably just looked him up when you asked me six months ago).Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Ardee, Forde might not be a Forster but he isn't without his faults either. He has performed brilliantly in his high profile games for Celtic (i.e. CL) but his distribution on the deck is far from perfect. Domestically he does well but makes the odd error from time to time (as do all keepers). I guess the point is If/When Forster leaves, Celtic will not be replacing like for like, that is not the Celtic model now (as you well know), he will be sold for a decent profit and we will try and pick up either a young gem or experienced older keeper at a fraction of the cost who can do a job for us. Remember when we signed him it was after two seasons on loan with us (prior to that he had been on loan at various League 1 / Championship teams. We then signed him for £2m. I'm sure Celtic would be looking for in excess of £5m for him may be a few million more now that he has his England Cap!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I haven't seen anything of Forde for Millwall, just his Ireland appearances and he looks decent enough to me - certainly someone Celtic could possibly be looking at even if he is not the next up and coming superstar keeper.
What is Forster's contract situation and what, if any, clubs is he being actually linked with?
I heard Millwall are keeping tabs in case Forde leaves. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I think he'd fit in well there. Particularly if Celtic succeed in prising David Forde away, Forster will be surplus to requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Well, Forster has managed to get himself a place in the England squad and earned his first cap recently against Chile. That was largely on the back of some magnificent CL Group stage performances over the last two seasons. Celtic are now out of Europe until next July when the inevitable CL Qualifiers will start again. Meanwhile there is a plane headed for RIO and I'm certain Forster will be determined to grab himself a ticket. I'm not sure 6 months of Scottish domestic action will ensure that happens and so a January Transfer could well be on the cards (though that would be a players request not a Celtic desire).Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
He signed a 4 year deal in Jun 2012 - So that, as well as his fine form and now international status should ensure a hefty fee would be required. However the only things I have read have been tabloid rumours such as the two Manchester clubs eyeing him up and Benfica back in the summer.
With all due respect to Forster, he's not on the Manchester clubs' radar. He's a good goalkeeper who probably needs another couple of years at Celtic or a Championship/lower EPL club before he might be able to trouble a top side. Even then, he's probably not that good.
You are probably right with regards the Manchester clubs but lets not forget Forster is currently the challenger in waiting for Harts England number one spot. He could comfortably play for a Premiership side, outwith the top few sides perhaps. It just whether a vacancy arises.
Anyway, Fordes connection with Celtic is probably more to do with him being Irish than anything Lennon has seen in him that he likes.
Do you have any idea where the previous challengers-in-waiting to the England shirt are playing? Foster is injured right now but probably wouldn't oust Myhill on current form, while Scott Carson, Paul Robinson and Robert Green are all in the Championship.
Just 'cause he's from Lurgan that's no reason to regard him as an idiot :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
He's the manager of a profile football club, I doubt he'll go after a player that he doesn't think will do the required job he's been signed to do.
It's not the 7 a side in the school yard where the fat kid is picked last, ' go in goals fatso, and do your best'.
Or, is Celtic as ramshackle a club, led by a total idiot, as you would have us believe?
You are joking. Forster's not that good, but he's a Premiership keeper, whereas Forde is a Championship one and definitely the next level down, regardless of nationality. He's definitely SPL level, but Celtic have loftier ambitions (hopefully to return to the CL!) and whilst Junior is right about no like-for-like replacements, Forde just doesn't cut it for me on the basis of his club performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Incidentally, according to the BBC 'Gossip Column', Forster's even been linked with Barca, on the basis of his performance(s) v. them.
Personally don't think he's a top CL player, but definitely good enough to play in it or the EPL etc.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...atsthejoke.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Ah, misread your post...
:rolleyes:
Sorry Geysir, perhaps my post was misleading, what I meant was the Celtic link probably has no grounds. i.e. a tabloid has put 'Forster likely to leave' + 'A.N.Other Irish Goalkeeper' = Celtic Replacement. I'm not sure if Lennon has even had time to take a look at Forde - would he be in the top 5 likely replacements from Britain for example? No idea.....Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Still - I do like to read your take on things - always raises a smile
You're implying that the BBC gossip column has some standing, it just repeats gossip from all other sources, unfiltered.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
A top CL player means to be amongst the best in the world. No, Forster is not the amongst the best in the world.
Furthermore, there is no one EPL standard, probably there are some 6 or 8 of the best goalies in Europe there and the rest are of a very good standard. Pretty much a similar situation to the other top leagues in Europe. Forster is a very good goalie who still has to iron out a few issues. He is is definitely good enough to compete in the CL for any team, but if a top cl team needs a goalie they will have have a selection of the best goalkeepers to choose from. Barca will want a goalie who can also play football, that rules out Forster.
Offhand I'd say Forde is not in the age band and a Celtic standard goalie would be of the bottom 2/3 of the EPL goalies. I'd hazard a guess that Celtic would be looking for a replacement for Forster using a similar strategy that unearthed Forster, a good promising young goalie age 23 who is too good for the epl bench but not good enough yet to depose the nr.1.
Top save by Forde against Wigan at the weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlvCtYqyy-Y
To geysir's last post, well yeah...
An average EPL team would be happy to have him, say Swansea or Villa maybe, but doubtful how much better he'll get.
Similarly with Forde who has improved, but whereas say FF is in the top 20 keepers in Britain, DF is in the top 40 or 50, which is very good, but not enough for Celtic's CL, erm, 'ambitions'.
What are Celtic's ambitions?
Ah ArdeeBhoy.
Look, he is easily good enough for Celtic and their CL ambitions which I presume is generally not to get hockeyed in every game, win the odd one and get past group stages every once in a while. If he can accomplish this against the likes of Germany, Sweden and Austria in an Irish jersey, then he can do similar as the Celtic #1. You say yourself he's very good. Indeed, you couldn't reasonably say the same about every current Celtic player.
These days, not much Chas. Well in the CL. Probably getting into the competition proper and then into the last 16 is as far as it goes.
Anything more will take a lot of cash and lot more football acumen than NL IMO.
That said, last year exceeded/raised expectations...
Wrong and right. Seriously, he's no better than our reserve keeper, Zaluska.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
And we do have some complete duds when it comes to the squad, who seemed to have been signed on the basis of reputation, nothing else.
Who are probably the next level down from Forde.
Yeah, but top 20 in Britain? That means he'd be as good as the bottom goalkeeper in the Premier League or, realistically, when the top clubs have two quality keepers, closer to mid-table first choice. Surely that's unrealistic when Championship clubs can and have outbid you for players. Like, is Forster much better than Westwood? Or Myhill?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
They would only outbid on wages and unless they had a phobia, even Celtic on a bad day is more prestigious than all the Championship. Not sure many could outbid on wages, maybe ex-EPL clubs with 'parachute' money.
And yeah Forster, probably based on the dubious criteria of now being Eng's 2nd.choice keeper, is better than Myhill and Westwood. Reckon he's good enough for the bottom half of the EPL. Know he's already also been linked with a return to Newcastle if Krul leaves, but even then there was doubt about being able to afford his potential wages.
Forde can aspire to this standard, but don't see him ever being linked with a EPL or CL club, well no-one who's serious, anyway.
Well I'm sure they could outbid on wages but I'd have thought the carrot of being promoted to the Premier League was also a carrot. By contrast, Hooper and Wanywama aside, EPL teams don't seem to recruit much from Scotland.
Maybe, but part of the problem has been the SPL has not been producing many decent players in recent years, but Dundee Utd are about to change all that...
Celtic haven't really signed players coming into the end of their careers in recent years, their policy has been very much to sign promising young players from lower divisions, develop and then sell them on at a profit.
It's a big opportunity for Forde to leave Millwall on a free and negotiate a sweet contract to end out his playing days. He's earned it.
Available on a Bosman and signing the last pro contract of your career, what would you choose to do if your feet were big enough to fit in Forde's boots? Considering you have done reasonably well as a pro, maybe have had a £250k salary with Millwall, but there's a mortgage, 3 kids to raise, a missus who has ambitions to move house again and the fan belt just snapped on your nr 1 car. You can't trade in the missus for a cheaper version.
A 2 year £1.3m p/a contract with an epl club, with no guarantee of 1st team football,
or a 2 year contract with a championship club, but at a lower £600,000p/a, with an added perk of being Ireland's nr 1.
Hmm, take the money...and hope for the best on the international front!
And seriously reduce your chances of playing for Ireland to a mere hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Shame on you, I'm sure Lawro would have given up just about anything to stay in the game a little longer and be able to play for Ireland at Euro 88.
Lawro wouldn't have chosen a hope and a prayer over a first team spot.
Myself, I'd be tempted by the extra wealth but knowing that the extra would be spent before it was saved, I'd chose the team that needed me to play for the first team.