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Will there be 2 automatic promotion places so?
youd get an answear off a hippo before youd get one off the FAIQuote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
The writing has been on the wall for a while, it almost seems like Coughlan got cold feet immediately after taking over.
Without knowing the full story its hard to apportion blame, but what is clear is that its another big blow to the credibility of the FAI and the league community in general.
The new financial regime was supposed to ensure that directors couldn't pull funding at short notice, so I'd love to know what happened with regard to Corks budget. Its so early in the season that unless they budgeted for capacity crowds every game the situation shouldn't have gotten so dire so quickly. Its clear that a Revenue repayment agreement wasn't being followed and it would be very interesting to know if and when this was known to the FAI.
All that said, I wouldn't place all the blame with the FAI whatever the circumstances. The only way they can ensure that clubs have a zero risk of failure is a franchise league run from the centre and I've no interest in that.
At the end of the day it comes down to the fans. If there's enough will from enough people, the team will be saved. Good luck to FORAS anyway.
so will Finn harps get their place in the premier if they want it?
******. I've said this before the league needs no one, no matter what size, location or history. This is what happens in this league, teams, big teams, go out of business (Drums) and either way this is par for the course in Cork. If they do go out of business, they'll be a Cork Rangers or some such to come back into the league in a few years. Thats not to say i'm happy about it, i feel really sorry for the fansQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
100% bang on - but again, its the cork supporters i feel sorry forQuote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
then you have say monaghan or UCD not great support, but they run there clubs like businesses, they will slowly build there way to the premier division, managhan got a premier division licence this year,
And clubs like monaghan never get enough credit for this. If they could find some way of bumping up their crowds they'd be on the best run clubs in the country. But as for balancing the books,etc you have to give them credit for it!
i feel sorry for the cork fans myself but surely this is a case of city going and the foras trust using the money they have to buy the name/crest*(after all everything is up for grabs if a company is liquidated)and starting again in the A league or whatever and working up in a fashion that runs the club properly??after all i remember when it looked bleak for us a couple of cork fans that visit our messageboard saying the above to us.
*actually if it comes to it dont bother with the crest its crap
One thing is clear, and that's the fact that cowboys like Coughlan shouldn't be let near any club. People like him have driven the country into the ground. Only interested in a fast buck, and to hell with whoever they trample to get it. More power to the Richie Sadliers of this world.
Did the examiner or anyone from the FAI look into his background at all? Could nobody have seen that the guy was a pure chancer?
together with his one euro purchase of the club, rem also coughlan sold the sell on rights of Doyle to fat pat. €200,000 think he got. €32,000 per week in wages by seven weeks equals checkout time :cool:
I think the fact his name was Tom Coughlan was a give away. Sounds like a dodgy property dealer/publican/corrupt FF politician type anyway.
He was a candidate for the PDs in the late 90s.
Case closed :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
while i agree that the fai bare some of the blame for this situation it cannot and should not be held responsible for the way in which clubs fcuk up.licensing can only work if clubs act responsibility which they refuse to do.
Not like the good people of foot.ie to go over the top based on one rumour. I'm completely shocked :rolleyes:
Good luck to the fans, hope their club survives (whatever the causes)
I really hope this mess can be sorted out.
Why are your narcotics being delivered tomorrow ? ****ing IdiotQuote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
From what I am hearing it is 350k not 400/500k as being suggested on here and ccfc forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
He wanted to be a hero for a few months and get his name in the echo!
Thats all I can make of it.
Maybe Arkaga paid him off to get there face out of the picture?
Shut up you sour 1st division fan its not our fault your team is ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by madblaa
general word is cork is gone on tuesday, although i have no source, i have been told by 4 differnt people, would be a hugh mess if city were to fold so early in the season,
its not just the FAI, its the examiner who handed the club to coughlan, we were demoted to A football and arent anywhere near this level, this will surely turn licenceing into a joke,
how long is that tax bill building, cause if its longer that 9 months there no way city have a tax cert to even get a licence, we couldnt get one and we only owe half of that,
Your start your post by blasting mine yet hidden in your very own post there's an eco of mine. Explain please??Quote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
The fact that both clubs entered examinership alone should automatically deem them relagated, no other option. You whinging that Cork were allowed sign these players when obviousily they don't have the means to pay them is another reason why clubs like this shouldn't be allowed trade. The FAI are the people that are supposed to be running the league but the fact that they only make up the rules as they go along proves that they are no way near what's needed in order for our league to gain the confidence of the greater general public.
Exactly. We end up out of the league for not being able to get the tax cert with a debt of only half that amount so why is there one rule for one club and one for another? Delaney, Fran Gavin and his cronies have to go now. The league is a shambles. And they are the fault. Cork shouldn't even be in the league and I'd say a few others are the exact same.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
the fai run the league they dont run the clubs, the league has many problems cheif amoung them is the incompetance of club management..at the end of the day licensing can only set peramiters ,certain clubs are trying ways to find ways around licensing to sustain full time professional teams on unreasonable budgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by clubman
I'd say there'd be no automatic relegation. Cork would effectively finish bottom if they didn't finish the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Shouldn't concern us anyway if we keep going as we are ;)
This is a total sham. I feel VERY sorry for the hardcore fans - but it shows was a DISGRACE the FAI are. Look what happened to Cobh. If Cork don't go EXACTLY the same way then there is no justice. UCD and Finn Harps have been royally shafted on this. And to think the FAI wanted to hold Cork up as a model club and were bending over backwards to keep them in Europe:eek:
THAT makes me sick.
The FAI held up Drogheda and Bohs as model clubs. The FAI are idiots. But we all know that anyway.
Am I right in thinking that it was on here before that FORAS haven't paid a penny over to the club? At least, if the worst comes to the worst (Dodge is correct that it's only a rumour so far), there should be a small kitty to start anew. They'd be better off like that, it seems. Although that'd be in the A League, I assume? Reprieve for Kildare again?
Is the jolly fat man with a wad of (invisible) cash still the only model of club ownership considered viable by the FAI? Or will proper business practice win through. Answers on a postcard to Jolly Fat Man Ranch, Abbotstown, Dublin 15.
The Kildare masterplan to get relegated out of existance is failing miserably :( :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Damn right. The FAI almost seem to be pursuing the Champions' League qualification route themselves. Or at least actively encouraging it. Ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
The recession's giong to really shake the league about a bit, I think.
Cork really needs to be a members run club they have enough fans up there to keep something going,although Im sure not even Cobh fans will take any heart from their demise many here and afar new what Tom C is about hes a pure bluffer and chancer.If 1000 Cork fans paid even a £5 a head per week on top of gate receipts it would see them through for the season.History will always repeat itself and its one Cork club after another folding through the years,UCD are really the only model club the premier division has seen the last few years.
Every time you think the league might just get its affairs in order, this kind of thing happens. The club as a business is a joke & no sympathy can be held for the business, but as a football club, a hub of social & cultural development for the community, and as a source of proof that an Irish club can pull in the punters, this is devastating news. I feel sorry for the players & fans, they hardly deserve this.
You sometimes wonder if indeed senior soccer in this country is at all possible :(
Thats a very sad fact re ucd considering they mean nothing to the community there based in or the collage students that ignore them completely :eek: our best run club is a complete irrelevance .Quote:
Originally Posted by marty
Sad but true. Wouldn't be the case if the FAI encouraged the proper running of clubs in that mold rather than closing their eyes and fudging the facts every time a big club (bar Shels) have disastrous money problems brought about by greed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndrog
Regardless, the league needs well run clubs, not clubs overspending and going t!ts up (like weve done on more than 1 occassion)Quote:
Originally Posted by ndrog
Monaghan is another example of how to run a club properly - just a shame they cant get the people of the town out in numbers to support them
The league is on its knees and I think everyone is just waiting for the inevitable with bohs too
even if the cork story is bullsh!t, I'd be surprised if they went through the season wihtout more financial trouble - the figures dont add up - as I asked on here a few weeks ago, how the f*** can they outbid other premier division teams on full time players and stay full time when with the country in so much s***, the knock on effects of less sponsorship, decrease in gates,etc - and no serious income from their supporters club
Another example of one rule for one club and another for a different club:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maynard
It's an absolute farce that cobh got demoted and cork didn't. Give a crap if the league needs a strong cork, it's simply unfair that cobh were treated differently just because cork are perceived to be important.
I think there is a future for football in cork based on the size of city`s home support but just like everywhere else wages of players must be realistic and reflect the clubs turnover.If you look at the attendance at Bohs v Pats on saturday about 200 pats fans and a far from full jodi then tot up the wage bill on the pitch it paints a ridiculous picture of a league that is in a state of utter denial.Foras are the key to sustainable football in cork not another carpet bagger and I wish them the very best in the tough battles ahead of them.I wonder how long it will be before the bullit has to be bitten in Inchicore.
I don't disagree with the thrust of what you're getting at but I'd be interested to know how you think the FAI could do this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maynard
As an example, when they last actively involved themselves with a club (effectively ending Limerick City as an entity because of its association with Danny Drew) there were howls of protests that the FAi were playing God.
What I really want to know is what has happened between Cork's 2009 budget being approved by the FAI and now.
I think part of the complaints about the Limerick situation was that it was seen to be a personal vendetta against Danny Drew in particular, not about trying to improve the finances of Limerick as a club.
If all this is true, then presumably tax has been going unpaid in recent months. It seems that's a common trend with many clubs getting into trouble - clubs basically using non-payment of tax as a cash flow. How about a sliding scale penalty if clubs miss a monthly P30 payment? It'd be complicated to work (a warning the first time, fine the second, points deduction the third time, reset each February, say), but is a starter idea for ten anyway.
Well the cut and thrust of it is; That IF the FAI could make, what was effectively, a snap decision based on Cobh's books at the end of the 2008 season, and see it fit to demote them TWO leagues(EDIT: To the A Championship); How in the name of God can it be justified that Cork City, where the dogs in the street knew about the massive issues regarding staff payment towards the end of that self-same season, were granted a Premier Division license?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
The manner in which the top (br)ass in the FAI stood squarely behind CCFC when it appeared as if they were coming apart at the seams, lauded the way they were "open and honest" about their, ahem, shortcomings in the wage department; and were ADAMANT that Cork would represent Ireland in Europe in 2009 is nothing short of astounding. And as someone who actually cares about the league and wants to see a STRONG LEAGUE, not a "strong X, Y or Z" built on foundations of sand - it makes me sick at their behaviour - and it makes me angry at the affront it is to those who make an honest effort to keep this sham of a league on the life-support that it is currently relying upon.
Cobh were demoted one league; they were relegated the other one all by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maynard
Thanks for that:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
What? It's the truth, get over it you were wrong.:rolleyes: