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No its carried by Sky and the UPC companiesQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
The biggest what? :confused::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
For the simple fact that you're wrong, as it it really isn't that scientific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Firstly - Setanta simply don't know what their subscribers' motivations are.
I'm currently a Setanta subscriber. Do the company know why I subscribed ? Is it because I want to watch Derry City ? Is it because I like English Football ? Or maybe it's because I like neither and prefer the X Games and UFC ? Not once in the 4 years I've been with Setanta have they ever sought to understand my motivation for subscribing. So how the hell will they know what combination of EL games would get them the most viewers from a subscriber base who's motivations and interests they just don't understand ? :confused:
Secondly - doubtless you'll reply by suggesting they work on assumption, Dublin has the biggest population, and they will then assume that at least some of their Dublin subscribers are there to watch the LOI etc etc. But as we see from the attendance figures on here (imperfect though they are) there are more hardcore LOI fans for all teams outside Dublin than there are for all teams inside. So why would showing endless Dublin teams be good for their viewing ratings ?
Thirdly - the way to maximise subscribers from LOI supporters is to show a broad spread of teams. Why would a Drigheda fan subscribe this season, for example, when it looks like they'll be lucky to be shown more than two or three times max ?
Finally - Setanta also don't have accurate viewing figures for their various programmes either (I'll explain the science behind ratings calculations if you really want me to, but I'd rather not make this post any longer). Their advertising rates are therefore based primarily on broad assumptions. So - beyond obvious expected disparities in the viewer appeal of programmes (e.g. an Old Firm game versus an LOI game) they derive limited benefit from maximising viewings for any single LOI game, as it doesn't have much limited impact upon the advertising revenue from slots during that programme.
In summary, Setanta just don't have the complexity, consumer data or motivation to fulfill the criteria that you're suggesting drives their choice of game. The bottom-line is that as a live sports channel they need content, and they can get cheap content by showing LOI games that are based in Dublin. Which is exactly what they do. It's all about production costs, laziness, and the need for content - particularly in the dead Summer period.
I agree with 99% of your post Steve.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
But i subscribed to Setanta a couple of months ago.
Part of the registration is a series of questions,
the first part of mine went a little like this
Q - What sport do you like ? A - Football
Q - What team do you support ? A -Sligo Rovers
Q - Eh what team do you support ? A - eh Sligo Rovers
Q - What priemer ship team do you support ? A - I dont
Obviously Sligo Rovers wasnt in the multiple choice box for that particular queston !
Do they really only have a drop down box with only EPL teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by srfc1928
Sorry,i forgot to say i registered by phone.
but when I said Sligo Rovers, yer wan on the other end went 'eh' as if to say ' yeah but who do you really support '
AFAIK when you register on line, the drop down menu does only contain EPL teams plus Celtic & Rangers, but im open to correction on that
look its easy to say this but its partially the FAI's fault. they have an input into what games are shown and they let this farce happen.
I know someone who's worked for Setanta both directly and indirectly, they're real cheapskates by all accounts so I'd imagine it's how little they can get away with spending.
Most hyped up derby probably. For 2 supposedly big teams playing their biggest 'enemys' the attendances are pretty poor to say the least and the fare on offer is generally worse. Plus the ubiquitous gangs of skobies roaming the streets make it a pretty unpleasant experience for any neutrals. Harps Derry matches seem far bigger occasions - probably because they dont play each other as much aswell though too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
and it isn't dominated by scum on the streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciaraa
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Originally Posted by ciaraa
I agree that The Dublin Derby wouldn`t appeal to sensitive neutrals.
The atmosphere is intense at best and poisonous at worse. I`ve seen crowds from 10,000 to a low of 2,500 at the fixture in the last 25 years and the atmosphere is no less electrifying for that. The hangers on outside the grounds certainly impacts negatively on the crowd numbers though.
As for the general standard of the games, Ciaraa you can`t have seen many? The stand out quality games in my memory in the LOI have mostly centred on the fixture
- Ashleigh Grimes scoring from 35 yards in Milltown in a cup replay in the 70`s
- Ex Hoop Donal Murphy scoring the winner in `83 3-2
- The battles with the four in row team, Noel Larkin, Campbell or Buckley usually breaking our hearts
- Nutsy scoring the last goal of a 3-1 win in the RDS in the 90`s
- two cup replays in `96(?) Tony Cousins scoring the winner against the team he was later to "manage"
- Santry 4-6 ......enough said
- A Hoops first Division side putting us out of the cup and Farrelly out of a job (obviously not a highlight but was a cracking game, penalty saved etc)
- Brennan and Rossiter screamers last year for a narrow 2-1 win
- The Jason Byrne show before 4,500 in the most recent fixture.
Surprise surprise, Bohs are on TV yet again!
Whats wrong with Bohs being on again.
They are the reigning champions who ran away with the title last year. Current Cup holders and current (joint) leaders of the Premier Division.
The floating viewer knows this and would be more likely to look in on a match involving them at the moment.
No doubt if they had a melt down - fell down the table and off the back pages a bit they would be shown less.
It helps that they are based in Dublin too - less costs associated with production etc.
Also Dublin has the biggest population. I know it was posted above that clubs in Dublin tend to have lower attendances than those outside but its not the match goers that Setanta are relying on. Its the casual (pardon the expression) TV based footie fan (by population - mainly based in Dublin) who Setanta are hoping will pop in and out of any LoI game they show. Better chance of that happening if its the 'perceived' best team in the country playing and better chance again if that happens to be a Dublin team.
I would assume in most countries the League leaders and/or most recently sucessful sides get more TV matches. I assume Man U get a lot more games on TV than say Portsmouth.
Bottom line for me is that its Bohs right now but if any other team becomes the latest 'hot thing' it will be them shown more.
I'd be willing to be any money that if the "hot thing" was Derry, Sligo, Galway, Harps or Cork they wouldn't be shown nearly as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
Setanta are up the left financially. They need to cut down on costs, so will stay within Dublin as much as possible.
RUBBISH WHY SHOW BOHS V DROGS NEXT WEEKEND top v Bottom when you have Derry v Shamrock rovers as game of the weekend. Bohs get everything at the moment, refs decisions tv money you name it Bohs get itQuote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
Bit Connoresque in that rant Flexy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
As a general question: Whats the TV money worth anyway (I recently heard €2k)? How does that compare to the fall off in gates when a side are on TV?
And Pol I agree to a large degree that financial matters (ie location) are dictating which games to show. But if Pats, Rovers, Shels etc were the next 'hot thing' I would wager they woudl be shown as much as Bohs currently are. I actually agree with your point re the other clubs your mentioned. Which is why I said Dublin location is one of the driving factors re producton costs. I believe those clubs would get more games - but maybe not as much as Bohs are currently.
That's interesting to hear SRFC, as I've never once been asked (I was on the phone to them only 2 weeks ago to haggle over the cost of my next year's subscription). Sounds like they've only brought it in since they got the EPL rights, which they didn't have when I first joined.Quote:
Originally Posted by srfc1928
Interestingly - it proves that they have no idea what interest any subscribers have in the LOI, and therefore no way at all of knowing which combination of games would best appeal to the subscriber base. Without relying on geographical assumptions, which as we all know are far from perfect anyway.
The money set aside for clubs who have been on six or more times will receive an extra €35000, But reading that i'm not too sure the €35000 will be divided between the clubs who are shown six or more, or if the €35000 will be given to each club shown more than six times. Either way it looks like Bohs are going to be the only ones getting the extra €35000. Well done the FAI.Quote:
Premier Division clubs will also benefit from payments for TV rights. All 10 clubs will get an equal share payment of €20,000, while an additional €35,000 has been set aside for clubs with six or more fixtures selected for live television broadcast, or four or more live television fixtures held on nights other than Friday.
Yeah, because the FAI should tell Setanta what games they're allowed to show. Derry fans. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derry
Err - yes. They should :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by niallsparky
The FAI sorts the contract with Setanta, so the FAI can ask for whetever it wants in there.
Bohs fans :rolleyes: You'd probably have sold rights to the same games to two separate organisations.....
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Originally Posted by Flexy
Jeez, what a whinger! :D
Premier Division clubs will also benefit from payments for TV rights. All 10 clubs will get an equal share payment of €20,000, while an additional €35,000 has been set aside for clubs with six or more fixtures selected for live television broadcast, or four or more live television fixtures held on nights other than Friday.
So every club in non televisually attractive regions get the same as Bohs for up to five televised games, while Bohs takes a 2-3k hit on gate receipts each time we have a home televised game!!!!!! What are you all whingeing about you freeloaders?
RRS
Don`t see Bohs reaching the six game figure somehow as Setanta may be out of business quicker than we will be!
Yeah, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Setanta: We'll give you x euro to show the games we want
FAI: Only if you agree to leave Dublin every second game
Setanta: **** off
FAI: Okay, we're sorry, give us the money.
Setanta hold all the cards, there's hardly people vying for the rights.
Setanta will show whatever makes most sense, i.e. what costs them least but is of decent standard.
Yeah, we agree 100%. The point I was making is that if the next hot thing was outside Dublin they wouldn't be shown. But if it was UCD, Fingal, Rovers, Pats or Shelbourne, they'd get the same treatment as Bohs are getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
There is no conspiracy here. It's economics, pure and simple, coupled with the fact that Bohs are the best team in the league at the moment.
On a side note, I would seriously doubt if there will be a Setanta Cup at all this season, or if there is, the prize money will be cut.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Setanta don't hold all the cards. They need access to continuous live sporting content - and preferably football, as that is what drives most of their business. Where else are they going to get low-cost live football between May and August ? :confused:
Also - you're assuming the FAI actually tried to place stipulations on Setanta's contract, rather than just go all Father Dougal as soon as they heard someone was interested in showing games. Previous FAI history suggests you may be giving them too much credit.
Finally - we do have channels vying for our content. RTE and TG4 also carry games. There's also the possibility of Sky at some point showing live LOI - they showed live Irish League last season.
Setanta need us as well you know.....
I don't think they do. I'd say the viewing figures wouldn't justify the money spent on live league games and the Setanta Cup and it's assocciated costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Tallaght will sell out on Saturday night, with the support split 95%-5%. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ciaraa
Will United Park sell out for the other derby, with a bigger capacity? :confused:
[QUOTE=mypost;1159709]Tallaght will sell out on Saturday night, with the support split 95%-5%. :D
That will a nice novelty for the majority of your fans who have never seen you outnumber us at the fixture.:D
That will a nice novelty for the majority of your fans who have never seen you outnumber us at the fixture.:D[/QUOTE]
:D:D
your not the chief book keeper at bohs by any chance are you ?
evidently arithmetic is not your strongest suit
It probably will sell out in fairness.. United Park is limited to 2,000 so it won't be that hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
evidently arithmetic is not your strongest suit[/QUOTE]
Last one I can think of was the RDS, were you even born then?
Childish bickering aside, would it not make most financial sense to show the away games of the teams with the highest attendances. Cork, Derry and Shams are getting around 3000 at home, but only taking a few hundred round the country. That's pretty much 2-3000 guaranteed viewers for the televised game, plus whatever floating support you pick up. Let's face it, the average floating barstooler probably doesn't even know who Bohemians are.
In fairness, you're missing the point a bit on why Setanta is showing the LOI Pól. They need live football - as that's what they're all about. A live sports channel, that specialises in football, has to show SOMETHING all year round. It can't just wind-down for a third of the year or they'll risk shedding subscriptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
So with that in-mind - where else do yuo suggest Setanta would be able to get regular live football games at this time of year at relatively low cost and with at least some vague form of subscriber interest ?? :confused:
It's as much about content and schedule filling as it is viewer figures for Setanta. Which is why they go for the cheap Dublin-only option.
I understood your previous post. Setanta don't have a pot to **** in. I don't think they don't need the LoI. The LoI don't need Setanta much either. Setanta have the rights to plenty of EPL games that they could presumably repeat and get higher audience figures than for the LoI - costing them much less money. They also have several other sports featured.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Why do you have to post everything as if it is 100% solid fact steve? They don't need the sport on their channel to be live. They just need something on. A massive amount of your posts are valid, but the way you post sometimes really p1sses me off. I wish you could bring out all the good, constructive suggestions and opinions you have, without constantly (intentionally or not) belittling just about everyone else on the forum. This is obviously just a personal opinion, but other posters responses to some of your posts would indicate that they feel the same way.
I'm trying not to be p1ssy here, and I apologise in advance if it comes across that way.
Why be a **** about it? United P has a capacity of 2000 of course it will sell out ffs. Typical Rovers attitude...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
I remember talking to someone a couple of years back who used to film games around the league (and now works for MNS) - he told me that Dalymount was one of the only grounds in the League at that time which had the cabling and such to facilitate live TV broadcasts installed permanently (making it extremely easy for RTE/TG4/Setanta to roll up, plug in their equipment and the rest).
Maybe that is still the case - and this is one mitigating factor to the amount of Dalymount broadcasts...
Helpful feedback Pól, constructively put. Thanks and apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
I'm just used to arguing things with conviction (sadly it's my job !).
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