Roy Keane interview in the Times

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

Your opinion or fact? If the latter, have you a source?

IMO it was never better than 50-50 and when he failed to contibute anything on his return is was a lot less.

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It was far from 50 - 50. I was in the North terrace on his first night back and there was one bloke holding up a sign saying "Keane Judas", that guy got more abuse from the fans than Keane did. And later in the game when Keane almost scored the majority of the stadium were chanting his name.
And to say he failed to contribute anything on his return is just plain wrong and shows that ur dislike of the man distorts your view of his performances. The one game against France in Landsdowne in particular he was very very good and gave it everything he had, admitidly he wasnt as good as he had been in the past but he was still one our best players

Yeh he was motm in his last game for Ireland, Man Utd (vs Liverpool) and Celtic. Not a bad way to go out.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I did say at the start when I posted the interview in The Times that it wasnt going to change anybodies opinion of him one way or the other:D

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Might also have something to do with the lack of mature change evident in Roy to affect any change in public perceptions.

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If any other former Irish international did the same job at Sunderland as Keane did people would be falling all overthemselves praising him and saying that he is a definate future Ireland manager.

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Mick McCarthy did a good solid job in Sunderland with petty cash and wipes the floor with Roy in a pound for pound match.
But no one was calling for Mick to be reinstalled with Ireland

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But because of his history some people cannot wait to see him fail and will jump at any chance to have a go at him. Simple fact is though that the vast majority of fans in Landsdowne Road were delighted that he was back when he returned under Kerr and he remains very popular with these fans.

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Popularity with an ex player amongst fans can only go so far to affect the level of popularity as a manager or even as a pundit.
If Roy was able to shed 10 years I would be delighted to see Keane at CM;)

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Originally Posted by geysir

Might also have something to do with the lack of mature change evident in Roy to affect any change in public perceptions.

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Many would say that our Roy doesnt need to change:D

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Originally Posted by geysir

Mick McCarthy did a good solid job in Sunderland with petty cash and wipes the floor with Roy in a pound for pound match.

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Can anyone argue with that - purely objectively if such a thing is possible with these two being discussed?


OK, I'll start - I think Mick did better than solid. I also think Mick had a decent head start on Keane, having been a manager for much longer beforehand.

It seems that Mick's style is to get the players to trust and like him. It seemed to work with certain players, breeding loyalty. It appears that Roy couldn't care less about perception and would prefer if players feared him.

I'd say that this may work with some but Keane lacked the savvy to recognise what types of personality this works for and for what types it doesn't. I think Roy has worked under 2 great managers - Clough and Ferguson. Both were massive characters and very headstrong. However, the impression I get is that Keane thinks this is the only way and that he has probably not recognised how each of these managed, probably subtly and with a degree of wit, to get the best out of non "alpha male" type characters (for want of a better term).

One thing that impresses me about Trap (according to himself anyway!) is that he recognises which players need which type of management.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Can anyone argue with that - purely objectively if such a thing is possible with these two being discussed?


OK, I'll start - I think Mick did better than solid. I also think Mick had a decent head start on Keane, having been a manager for much longer beforehand.

It seems that Mick's style is to get the players to trust and like him. It seemed to work with certain players, breeding loyalty. It appears that Roy couldn't care less about perception and would prefer if players feared him.

I'd say that this may work with some but Keane lacked the savvy to recognise what types of personality this works for and for what types it doesn't. I think Roy has worked under 2 great managers - Clough and Ferguson. Both were massive characters and very headstrong. However, the impression I get is that Keane thinks this is the only way and that he has probably not recognised how each of these managed, probably subtly and with a degree of wit, to get the best out of non "alpha male" type characters (for want of a better term).

One thing that impresses me about Trap (according to himself anyway!) is that he recognises which players need which type of management.

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could we say that Keane has a similar attitude to players that Rafa Benitez does?

No, I think Raf is starstruck by Gerrard and overly accomodating with some others. I think Rafa is more discriminatory - you're either in or you're out, and not just wrt Keane. I do think that Rafa is just as disrespectful of authority as Keane though.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

It was far from 50 - 50. I was in the North terrace on his first night back and there was one bloke holding up a sign saying "Keane Judas", that guy got more abuse from the fans than Keane did. And later in the game when Keane almost scored the majority of the stadium were chanting his name.

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My own memory of this game is that many many people didn't want to boo an Irish player so sat on their hands and said nothing. When some of the fans chanted Keane's name it may have appeared that "the majority" were delighted to have him back but I think I'd share Superhoops view that it was closer to 50-50.

It's a bit like the media reaction to the half-time booing in Croke Park two weeks ago - it was reported as "Ireland were booed off at half-time" when those of us who were there know that it was a relatively small section of the crowd who actually booed. How does a silent majority make itself heard?

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Yes but Im sure u dont think he did a terrible job at Sunderland either. Dont get me wrong I dont think he did brilliantly there but as Ive said earlier in this thread I think he did a good job for his first job in management and will improve for the experience

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not a terrible job, but not so good either - lets be honest, he bought some shocking players, really dire stuff
Also spent well over 40 million, which should really be mid table, or pushing for europe expectations

He did buy a lot of really bad players but I think he left Sunderland with a good team.

There is a lot of rubbish there but he had to pay over the odds to try to get Sunderland to where they want to be. I remember watching the Derby West Brom playoff final and they were saying that it was the most valuable match in history with increased Premier League prize money and TV rights and all that stuff. It was worth over £60m to Derby for winning it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot..._1/6689971.stm
Well Sunderland were also promoted that year and have maintained their Premier League status so presumably he hasn't cost the club a great deal financially.

That said his signings at Premier League level should have been better and I'm not saying he was faultless. Basically he left the club in a much stronger position than when he took over and I think that's generally how a manager is assessed.

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

but he had to pay over the odds to try to get Sunderland to where they want to be

so presumably he hasn't cost the club a great deal financially

Basically he left the club in a much stronger position than when he took over and I think that's generally how a manager is assessed.

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You appear to be contradicting yourself there.

I don't know much about the Sunderland finances but the owners had to weaken their share value in order to allow more cash (£25m?) to be pumped in.
Suggests to me that the board allowed Keane's purchase spree and associated wages to far outweigh income.

Not much use to anybody if a club spends way beyond its means to achieve a certain stability and the manager gets the hump because basically he has run into the brickwall of his limitations. That brickwall of his limitations is partly the normal learning curve of a new manager, but Roy's wall is reinforced with a ton of his own baggage.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

If any other former Irish international did the same job at Sunderland as Keane did people would be falling all overthemselves praising him and saying that he is a definate future Ireland manager. But because of his history some people cannot wait to see him fail and will jump at any chance to have a go at him. Simple fact is though that the vast majority of fans in Landsdowne Road were delighted that he was back when he returned under Kerr and he remains very popular with these fans.
I did say at the start when I posted the interview in The Times that it wasnt going to change anybodies opinion of him one way or the other:D

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Rubbish. There's one ex Ireland legend who's finished 4th, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and mid table in 6 Premier League seasons as a manager and people nearly had a heart attack when he was touted for the Ireland job before Trap got it. Mainly because he has a reputation as a cheque book manager who rubs people the wrong way after a period of time. What's the difference between him and RK other then the fact he managed to get top 6 and above consistently when he was spending and over achieved when he had a limited budget?

Your second point is also garbage, the vast majority of people from Cork and Man U fans were delighted to see him back, there was plenty of others who buttoned it as they wouldn't boo an Irish player at an international. In my experience there's a lot of antipathy towards him from LOI fans for example, he was roundly booed at Dalymount when Sunderland played Bohs a couple of years back.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Rubbish. There's one ex Ireland legend who's finished 4th, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and mid table in 6 Premier League seasons as a manager and people nearly had a heart attack when he was touted for the Ireland job before Trap got it. Mainly because he has a reputation as a cheque book manager who rubs people the wrong way after a period of time. What's the difference between him and RK other then the fact he managed to get top 6 and above consistently when he was spending and over achieved when he had a limited budget?

Your second point is also garbage, the vast majority of people from Cork and Man U fans were delighted to see him back, there was plenty of others who buttoned it as they wouldn't boo an Irish player at an international. In my experience there's a lot of antipathy towards him from LOI fans for example, he was roundly booed at Dalymount when Sunderland played Bohs a couple of years back.

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Yes.
Many of the people I know who are Keane fans are bar stool experts who do nothing to support football at a local level

I remember reading that the famous food critic A. A. Gill after being ejected by Gordon Ramsey from one of his restaurants for previously giving him a negative review described the erratic chef to the media, "Ramsay is a wonderful chef, just a really second-rate human being".

That quote has always reminded me of Roy Keane and that article enforces the view I've long since held about the man. "Keane is a great footballer, just a really second-rate human being." Now that he can no longer astound us with his heart, ability and determination on the football field the glaring deficiencies in his personality have become only too obvious for everyone to see.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Yes and its no harm to let him know it either.

Roy if your reading your a bit of a gob****e.

Its for your own good Roy because like some famous/powerful people you have to be told how it is every now and again.
Pleased to be of service.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Calm down Roy

I thought that might smoke you out!!

Well you are either Roy or one of his bitches!!

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On the contrary - I don't have much time for Keane, the person.

If you can fail to see the idiocy of anonamously addressing anyone directly on a Football Forum and calling him, or anyone for that matter, a gobsh*te - its neither an act of strength or very clever.

I'll make an exception in your case though - YOU'RE a prize GOBSH*TE!!!

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Originally Posted by geysir

You appear to be contradicting yourself there.

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How exactly?

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Originally Posted by geysir

I don't know much about the Sunderland finances

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I don't either I was just speculating

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Originally Posted by geysir

he has run into the brickwall of his limitations

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But weren't Sunderland in a similar position for most of last season and they managed to pull themselves out of it. They have a stronger side this year and would have probably done the same. He was under more pressure last season cos he had it all to prove so I don't get this brickwall of his limitations stuff. I'm in complete agreement that he left in bad circumstances caused by himself and any club should be slow to take him on again. I hope I'm not "contradicting" myself again!!

BL, you wrote that Sunderland spent over the odds
but you also wrote that he hadn't cost them a great deal financially.

Spending over the odds to get to the epl where they still did not balance the books and the need increased to dilute the share value radically in order to raise cash.

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Originally Posted by geysir

BL, you wrote that Sunderland spent over the odds
but you also wrote that he hadn't cost them a great deal financially.

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I know but I was just speculating that the money gained from being in the Premier League (£60m +) may have made most of it back, clearly not though by the looks of it

Sunderland introduced a novel dimension to English league football transfer business, they bought redundancy.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

not every business manager lives near said buisness

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He does if he wants to run the club properly, Quinn isn't just a powerless figurehead he is the manager on the bsuiness side of things.

As in any business it is better conducted - and more can be achieved - with able to meet staff face to face, clients, potential sponsors, marketing, press etc.

That cannot be done in a office at home in Dublin.

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Originally Posted by Guts&Glory

He does if he wants to run the club properly, Quinn isn't just a powerless figurehead he is the manager on the bsuiness side of things.

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You might want to check your facts on that...
While far from powerless, Quinn is not the business manager of the club

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

What a pile of rubbish Gut & Glory!!

Short was on his case cause of bad results. He never turned up for training. His tactics were terrible and predictable. His coaching methods were shocking. And the way he treated players was disgraceful. He wasted ,what looked at the time, 40m of Shorts money. We were second bottom after losing to the mighty Bolton Wanderers at home 4-1. He called players weak for not moving up to Sunderland when he wouldn't do it himself. As a manager he should have moved up to the North East. And he didn't want people to question his abilty when we were heading back to the Championship. And with the same team Ricky Sbragia has taken to mid-table and look a hell of lot better. What Keane did at the club was good but Denis Smith and Peter Reid did a lot better under different circumstance and a lot less money. So this nonsense that Keane did a brilliant job at Sunderland is just ridculous! He failed where so many have before him. The easy part is getting out of the Championship the hard part was turning us into a Premiership force. What he said about Clive Clarke was just sick!!

P.S What is this doing in the Ireland forum anyway?

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

What a pile of rubbish Gut & Glory!!

Good to know that you have totally disregarded anything I said SunderlandBohs.

Short was on his case cause of bad results. SO, THE AGREED CHANNEL FOR COMMENST QUERIES WAS THROUGH QUINN WHICH QUINN HAS ADMITTED TO.

SHORT HAD NO MORE RIGHT THAN DRUMAVILLE TO CONTACT KEANE. HE IS AFTER ALL A SHAREHOLDER. NOT CHAIRMAN , CEO OR THE LIKE. BY YOUR LOGIC ANY SHAREHOLDER OF A COMPANY CAN PHONE THE MANAGER OF THAT COMPANY THEY HAVE SHARES IN - NONSENSE.

He never turned up for training. INCORRECT.

His tactics were terrible and predictable. HIS TACTICS GOT THEM PROMOTED AND KEPT THEM IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE FIRST SEASON UP. ADMITTDELY HE HAD A BAD RUN PRIOR TO LEAVING. SHOW ME A MANGER OVER A CAREER THAT HASNT GONE THROUGH THE SAME.

His coaching methods were shocking. BY HIS OWN ADMISSION. HE DIDNT COACH THE TEAM THAT WAS TONY COUGHLAN, SBRAGIA ET AL. KEANE WAS TEAM MANAGER.
OH BTW ALSO HOW COULD HE COACH A TEAM IF AS YOU CLAIM HE NEVER ATTENDED TRAINING ?

And the way he treated players was disgraceful. SUCH AS ?? FINING PLAYERS FOR BEING LATE? LAMBASTING THEM FOR POOR PERFORMANCES ? SO YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH PLAYERS BEING LATE FOR THE TEAM BUS OR MATCHES, COPS LOOKING FOR THEM AT THE TRAINING GROUND, BEING INVOLVED IN SORDID 'HOME' VIDEOS ?

He wasted ,what looked at the time, 40m of Shorts money.
THE SAME PLAYERS ARE NOW 11TH IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. WASTED??? YOUR POINT BELOW CONFIRMS THIS WHICH IS REALLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.

We were second bottom after losing to the mighty Bolton Wanderers at home 4-1. A TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE THAT NOBODY DEFENDED HIM ON AND ONE WHICH HE WAS ADMITTIDLY IN SHOCK OVER.

He called players weak for not moving up to Sunderland when he wouldn't do it himself. AGREE AS SHOULD QUINN.

As a manager he should have moved up to the North East. And he didn't want people to question his abilty when we were heading back to the Championship. SO YOUR ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE GIVE THE MANAGER 15 GAMES THIS SEASON AND FIRE YOUR MANAGER IF IT AINT HAPPENING. SO MUCH FOR GIVING MANAGERS A CHANCE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HE DESERVED THAT MUCH FROM YE.

And with the same team Ricky Sbragia has taken to mid-table and look a hell of lot better. SO TE MONEY WASNT WASTED....GLAD TO CLEAR THAT POINT OF YOURS UP.

What Keane did at the club was good but Denis Smith and Peter Reid did a lot better under different circumstance and a lot less money. AGREE, PETER REID WAS BEST THING FOR SUNDERLAND IN YEARS, LIKE BOBBY ROBSON WAS AT NEWCASTLE BUT USUAL POLITICS AND BOARD SHIFTING GETTING THEIR SPOKE IN TO THE DETRAMANT OF THE CLUB. HIGH LEAGUE FINISHES UNDER REID NEWCASTLE IN EUROPE UNDER ROBSON, WHAT THEY WOULD GIVE FOR THAT NOW.

So this nonsense that Keane did a brilliant job at Sunderland is just ridculous! He failed where so many have before him. I NEVER CLAIMED THAT.

The easy part is getting out of the Championship the hard part was turning us into a Premiership force. PREMIERSHIP FORCE?!, MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE FOR THAT. STILL IN A FAR BETTER POSITION NOW THAN WHEN HE JOINED.

What he said about Clive Clarke was just sick!! AGREED NEVER DEFENDED HIM ON THE CLARKE COMMENT.

P.S What is this doing in the Ireland forum anyway? IF THAT ANNOYS (AND OBVIOUSLY THE MODERATORS HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS) DONT RESPOND TO THE THREAD.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

You might want to check your facts on that...
While far from powerless, Quinn is not the business manager of the club

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My explanation was in response to a previous post and to emphasis his Chairman role at the club but how and ever.

So it wasn't Quinn that got Drumaville, Boylesports or Short on board?? News to him I would think.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

On the contrary - I don't have much time for Keane, the person.

If you can fail to see the idiocy of anonamously addressing anyone directly on a Football Forum and calling him, or anyone for that matter, a gobsh*te - its neither an act of strength or very clever.

I'll make an exception in your case though - YOU'RE a prize GOBSH*TE!!!

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Thanks for going to the trouble because as I said every one needs to be told how it is every now and again including Roy "I am too good to make the mistakes that other people make"

You are not Triggs are you, posing under Wolfie ye old Fox ye!!

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Rubbish. There's one ex Ireland legend who's finished 4th, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and mid table in 6 Premier League seasons as a manager and people nearly had a heart attack when he was touted for the Ireland job before Trap got it. Mainly because he has a reputation as a cheque book manager who rubs people the wrong way after a period of time. What's the difference between him and RK other then the fact he managed to get top 6 and above consistently when he was spending and over achieved when he had a limited budget?

Your second point is also garbage, the vast majority of people from Cork and Man U fans were delighted to see him back, there was plenty of others who buttoned it as they wouldn't boo an Irish player at an international. In my experience there's a lot of antipathy towards him from LOI fans for example, he was roundly booed at Dalymount when Sunderland played Bohs a couple of years back.

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That ex Ireland legend left Leeds nearly bankrupt and then went on to leave Aston Villa in a worse state than when he joined them.

It was far from just United fans and Cork people that wanted him back.If I was to put a percentage on the people I know that were happy to see him back it was at about 80%, and that was people in Galway and Dublin.And Im a League of Ireland fan by the way and was delighted to see him back so u cant just categorise people like that.

At the end of the day we are obviously not going to agree on the point,so all I can say is that any of the games in Landsdowne I was at after he return, the majority of the people around me at all the games gave him a good reception and there were plenty of choruses of KEANO KEANO going around for him during the games. And I wasnt in the same spot for all of these games either so it wasnt just a case of one section of the crowd were cheering him all the time

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

That ex Ireland legend left Leeds nearly bankrupt and then went on to leave Aston Villa in a worse state than when he joined them.

It was far from just United fans and Cork people that wanted him back.If I was to put a percentage on the people I know that were happy to see him back it was at about 80%, and that was people in Galway and Dublin.And Im a League of Ireland fan by the way and was delighted to see him back so u cant just categorise people like that.

At the end of the day we are obviously not going to agree on the point,so all I can say is that any of the games in Landsdowne I was at after he return, the majority of the people around me at all the games gave him a good reception and there were plenty of choruses of KEANO KEANO going around for him during the games. And I wasnt in the same spot for all of these games either so it wasnt just a case of one section of the crowd were cheering him all the time

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Fair enough, your recollection is different from mine and maybe 80% of your mates were happy to see him back but the majority of mine and the majority I'd have met and spoken to about it on away trips weren't. We weren't going to boo a man in Green though unlike those who were happy to boo McCarthy and who hollered loudest when RK came back (having initially turned his nose up at a comeback when Kerr took over despite his comment in the press that he'd come back if the manager changed). But is was all a PR battle at that stage. As it was he was over the hill when he finally came back and added very little despite a couple of half decent performances.

As for O'Leary, no offence mate but that's more tripe, he left Leeds in 5th in the Premier league and with a squad that should have been more then capable of challenging, since when was it down to the manager to run the finances of a club? Had they made a proper appointmenmt afterwards instead of hiring Hell Tel they may well have ridden the storm, the reason their creditors came after them was down to the fact that they were fighting a relegation battle rather then challenging for the title, had they been top of the league as they had been the season before with essentially the same squad (bar Woodgate in for Ferdinand and Barmby for Keane) then they'd have been fine. Keane's net spend was more then O'Learys in a shorther space of time.

As for where he left Villa, they'd finished 16th when he took over and he finsihed 6th the next season, 4 points of a champions league place. Martin O'Neill will be lauded if he gets to within 4 points of the CL this year. The next season was 10th and then 16th again so he left them exactly where he found them and had 2 decent seasons in between. By all means get involved in a debate but try to stick to facts rather then the tabloid style spin you'll hear about a situation.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

You are not Triggs are you, posing under Wolfie ye old Fox ye!!

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Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.

When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.

When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.

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http://www.unc.edu/courses/jomc050/idog.jpg

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Fair enough, your recollection is different from mine and maybe 80% of your mates were happy to see him back but the majority of mine and the majority I'd have met and spoken to about it on away trips weren't. We weren't going to boo a man in Green though unlike those who were happy to boo McCarthy and who hollered loudest when RK came back (having initially turned his nose up at a comeback when Kerr took over despite his comment in the press that he'd come back if the manager changed). But is was all a PR battle at that stage. As it was he was over the hill when he finally came back and added very little despite a couple of half decent performances.....

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Great post. Sums up perfectly how many people felt.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Yes - I can now reveal that I am in fact "Triggs" the dog.

When I'm not appearing on SKY 1's "Worlds most articulate Pets" or walking the environs of Chesire - I post on Foot.ie.

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Triggs 2 surely?
Isn't Triggs the First dearly departed? litterly walked to his death

Roy's excuse for not moving to Sunderland looks a bit thin. Can it be any more of a kip than all the other kips anywhere north of Devon? I can imagine it was Teresa, she probably gave him an expletive filled tirade full blast into his ears and cut him to shreds when he sheepishly tested the waters, over the Sunday breakfast, about moving to Sunderland.

People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt

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Really?
I wonder just how many Irish fans wanted him back? When he walked away from Saipan that should have been the end of it.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

People werent going to boo a man in green???
Irish fans had no problem booing Keane against Iceland when he played after not going on the US tour, Irish fans had no problem booing Mick McCarthy when we were losing to Switzerland, Steve Staunton got booed.... even as recently as the Georgia game the Irish team were booed off at half time. So dont give me that about the great Irish fans didnt want to boo a man in green, especially after the strength of feelings people had about the Saipan issue.Some people did boo him but were completely out numbered buy people that were happy to see him back in an Irish shirt

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You're totally missing the point, I'm saying that there was a lot of people out there who had issues with his behaviour but who wouldn't boo him. You're using the excuse that just because there was only a small amount of people booing that that means the vast majority of fans were delighted to see him back which is frankly boll0x.

My recollection of the Romania game was that when the announcer mentioned his name over the tannoy during the warm up, there was a lot of "hmmm,is anyone else booing, well then boo, and hiss" from the crowd that had gone into the stadium at that stage.
When the teams came out, Keane was the last Irish player out on the pitch, and was applauded by the vast majority.
He may have won MOTM (can't remember) but he did stand in the centre circle at full time and applauded the crowd, and they responded in kind. There may well have been boos again at that time, but they were definitely drowned out by the majority in attendance.

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

Thursday and Friday were the only days he'd show up. Left it to Tony Loughlin the rest of the week.

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lots of premier lge managers are only on the training pitch once or twice a week

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

You're totally missing the point, I'm saying that there was a lot of people out there who had issues with his behaviour but who wouldn't boo him. You're using the excuse that just because there was only a small amount of people booing that that means the vast majority of fans were delighted to see him back which is frankly boll0x.

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I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree, I had enough of the Roy Keane arguements back in 2002 and dont wanna get into it all again:)

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree, I had enough of the Roy Keane arguements back in 2002 and dont wanna get into it all again:)

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Fair enough, worst thing about the whole Saipan thing was seeing fellow Irish fans arguing with each other on away trips, it left a bad taste for years and it's not something I want to see again. Peace!

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/ke...t-1714669.html

THERE'S a certain synchronicity in the fact that Roy Keane's name is back on the mat at exactly the time Mick McCarthy lifts Wolves up by the bootstraps to a promotion that nobody would have predicted nine months ago.

Keane and McCarthy seem fated to pass like lifts in a tall building -- as one heads for the sky, the other drops to a more modest level.
McCarthy is still cantankerous and hungry enough to want to prove everyone wrong after all he's been through and he has done a mighty job with Wolves.

Last summer, there were strong indications that McCarthy would be looking for a new club and that Wolves would cycle through a few more managers before they would find a way back to the Premier League.
Once again it seemed McCarthy's club ambitions would be stymied by life on the margins where loaves and fishes make up the transfer budget.


Lash

He's won himself another shot at the big time through clever work in the transfer market and his ability to motivate a squad. While he's in the Premier League mixing with the toffs, it looks like Keane is ready for another lash but once again, with a golden spoon attached.

The word around Cork and London for the last few days is that Keane is now odds on to sign up for a job that will make Sunderland look like a picnic, even if Loftus Road is nearer the range of fleshpots and high class shopping so beloved of the modern day professional footballer.

Up until a couple of years ago, QPR was a small time club graced by the occasional star turn and its history is written around names rather than trophies. Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles and Gerry Francis all made plenty of headlines but not by winning anything in blue and white hoops.

But when Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone took over, 10,000 or so hard core fans began to believe that something wonderful might be in the air.

That belief was strengthened when Lakshmi Mittal, steel magnate and billionaire -- Britain's richest man or at least he was until the banks came tumbling down -- spent £200k of his £28 billion to buy into QPR, apparently for his son-in-law (a fan).

The next member of the billionaire club to sign up was Vijay Mallya, co-owner of the Force India F1 team and one of the wealthiest men on the planet.

Mallya's Kingfisher brand has been a big backer of Indian sport and he sponsors two football clubs, East Bengal and Mohun Bagan and owns the Royal Challengers Bangalore cricket team in the Indian Premier League. Horse racing is another passion.
For any manager weighing up the advantages and disadvantages of a particular job, the presence of three billionaires and the owner of Benetton in the house offer possibilities that are both heady and dangerous.

Aura

These are all men who expect lesser mortals to listen when they speak and haven't become impossibly wealthy by trusting their money to strangers without strict oversight.
Keane was lucky that his first job involved a bunch of Irishmen, rich
Irishmen who were all fans of his and ready to buy into his aura.

For him, the right environment neither existed or could exist at the Stadium of Light so he quit but that doesn't mean he has lost his belief that he can go a long way as a manager without a 10 year CV hard won in the lower divisions, fighting for the knowledge that makes managers great, if he can find men to fund his ambition.
Niall Quinn and Drumaville made certain that he never wanted for cash and he wasted a great deal of it. When Ellis Short asked a few questions, Keane made a ruthless decision and legged it.
The difficulty with this approach is the fact that a rich man's plans will often conflict with the normal rhythms of football -- especially if he fancies a hands on role.

There are many rich men hovering around Loftus Road and all of them have plans. Briatore himself is hands on type of guy and likes to do training.
The first 18 months of the new ownership don't make good reading for a martinet like Keane.
Since the takeover, QPR have been ripping through managers at a great rate. John Gregory, Mick Harford, Luigi De Canio, Ian Dowie and Paulo Sousa have come and gone since October 2007 and the current incumbent, Gareth Ainsworth, is having his second stint as a caretaker.
In the last few days, Briatore responded angrily to suggestions that he interfered in Sousa's team selections but admitted that the QPR board was disappointed with some aspects of his work.


Formation

"When we beat Preston North End before Christmas, Paulo made six changes for the next match and we only drew at Charlton, who were bottom of the league. And against Ipswich, he stuck to a 4-5-1 formation when we were at home.
"But I would like to repeat, I never once told Paulo, or any other coach for that matter, which team to pick."

There's a yarn doing the rounds among hacks in London telling how Ainsworth left his mobile phone in the dressingroom in recent weeks and when he returned at half-time, found 62 missed calls.
These tales tend to gather detail and volume as they travel around the press boxes but even if there was one missed call, it wouldn't augur well for an easy relationship with the next man, especially at a club which changes managers as often as a race car needs tires.
That's why it's hard to figure why Keane would be interested -- if indeed he is. Some in London believe that an agreement is already in place with a new manager who will be named in June but can't decide whether it's Dennis Wise or the Corkman.

It looks like a job that could rapidly descend into conflict even if it does carry the promise of a bankroll to invest in serious talent and while Keane is big enough and man enough to fight his corner, the last thing he needs on his next step in management is a short and acrimonious spell working under powerful men with egos as big as his own

Wait for it. Moths to a flame or light:

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