Squad for Georgia named

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

A major catastrophe such as..... Dunne and McShanes performance this weekend?? They're off form. Trapp clearly reckons Bruce is the next best in line. I can't cite lazyness this time as he's seen St Ledger in the flesh. So I'll have to sit and wait. I think we should be doing all we can to best insulate ourselves from any changes, catastrophe or otherwise.

Trapp's old school and his problem is that he's never had to contend with fans with such an in depth knowledge of fringe player availibilty. And I'm not talking about Irish fans specifically. I'm talking about the internet and dedicated sports channels facilitating an International fans' awareness of players that managers wouldn't have had to contend with in the past. Imagine Charlton getting this kind of lackery for selecting Morris over Irwin 20 years ago. He'd dig his heels in on principal. (Maybe he did I can't recall, just searchig for an example)

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He commented on how football is played in the Championship and how this differs from international football. He also commented on the importance of consistency and not choping and changing team selections to suit the current mood. He also commented that he gets different suggestions for squad selections thrown at him at a regular basis (Willo Flood's name was used as an example) but the importance of balance, consistency and structure remain the overriding factors for team success based on his experience.

Trapattoni knows what he is doing.

IMO Andy Reid Lee Carsley and St. Ledger should be in the squad ahead of Liam Miller Darron Gibson and Alex Bruce.

Stephen Ireland is a seperate issue and it is not Traps fault that Ireland is not back in the sqaud. However if we beat Georgia and Bulgaria at home which we should do, I will be a happy man getting on the flight to Bologna and Bari.

This is the first squad were Darron Gibson's inclusion is justified in my opinion as he has been very good for Man Utd over the Xmas period.

There are a number of things that baffle me about that squad:

• No Andy Reid!
• No Sean St Ledger!
• The selection of Caleb Folan!
• The selection of Alex Bruce.......again!
• The selection of at least 6 players if not more who warm the bench every week in both the Premiership and the Championship!:mad:

The policy of selecting Liam Miller for every Ireland game is starting to get on my nerves now. He has had enough chances to prove his worth and has failed every single time. Andy Reid with a blindfold on is still a better option.

St Ledger's omission is a puzzling one.

The Trap's starting 11 for Georgia (assuming everybody stays injury free)

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Finnan (if fit) - Dunne - O'Shea - Kilbane

McGeady - Whelan - Gibson - Duff

Doyle - Keane

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Originally Posted by rambler14

This is the first squad were Darron Gibson's inclusion is justified in my opinion as he has been very good for Man Utd over the Xmas period.

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What? he came on as a sub against Southampton in the Cup with the match already won and played against Derby in the Worthless Cup. Hardly what I would consider a telling contribution over the xmas period!!

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Why wouldn't they be? They've lost to these players already, and now the game is in Dublin

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Only Whelan out of that list played in Mainz. I presume he'll be the only one this time too though and possibly McShane depending on the fitness of Finnan.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

The policy of selecting Liam Miller for every Ireland game is starting to get on my nerves now. He has had enough chances to prove his worth and has failed every single time. Andy Reid with a blindfold on is still a better option.

St Ledger's omission is a puzzling one.

The Trap's starting 11 for Georgia (assuming everybody stays injury free)

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Finnan (if fit) - Dunne - O'Shea - Kilbane

McGeady - Whelan - Gibson - Duff

Doyle - Keane

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looks bout right, should have enough to beat georgia at home.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

He commented on how football is played in the Championship and how this differs from international football. He also commented on the importance of consistency and not choping and changing team selections to suit the current mood. He also commented that he gets different suggestions for squad selections thrown at him at a regular basis (Willo Flood's name was used as an example) but the importance of balance, consistency and structure remain the overriding factors for team success based on his experience.

Trapattoni knows what he is doing.

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I've no doubt he knows his football. But balance consistency and structure can be counter productive in all walks of life. It should be "A" factor not "THE" factor.


Putting aside opinions on the merits of players such as Andy Reid. I've said it before. In my opinion Trapp is not exhausting enough avenues to ensure we have the best plan B available to us.

Another dull squad from Trap. Yes, he's a great manager, yes we are 2nd in the table & sitting pretty. I wouldn't take that away from him for a second. But forgive me if I don't get giddy with excitement at seeing that midfield in action.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Why wouldn't they be? They've lost to these players already, and now the game is in Dublin

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Their country was invaded at the time of the game ,they had a new management team at the time, they were forced to play in Germany.

We scrapped a lucky Whelan freak of a goal and really could have drawn that match easily.

Our home support is pathetic ..i was modified at how bad its got the last 3 times in have been up at matches...

Expect a draw im warning ye!

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Originally Posted by bwagner

Their country was invaded at the time of the game ,they had a new management team at the time, they were forced to play in Germany.

We scrapped a lucky Whelan freak of a goal and really could have drawn that match easily.

Our home support is pathetic ..i was modified at how bad its got the last 3 times in have been up at matches...

Expect a draw im warning ye!

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ya we got lucky with whelans goal but we controlled that game for the most part. even with a poor midfield we will win the game.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

The policy of selecting Liam Miller for every Ireland game is starting to get on my nerves now. He has had enough chances to prove his worth and has failed every single time. Andy Reid with a blindfold on is still a better option.

St Ledger's omission is a puzzling one.

The Trap's starting 11 for Georgia (assuming everybody stays injury free)

Given

Finnan (if fit) - Dunne - O'Shea - Kilbane

McGeady - Whelan - Gibson - Duff

Doyle - Keane

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Out of the squad named I think he should (and will) play Andrews ahead of Gibson. He looks a better passer of the ball, carries more of an attacking threat and is starting in the premier league week in, week out.

I don't care how great a manager he's been in the past. Deciding on one system and sticking to it regardless of the players available to him is ridiculous. It was ok when we had the substance of Stephen Reid in midfield but now there just a big gaping hole through the middle of the pitch.

I'm gutted that Lee Carsley can't find his way into the squad, never mind the starting XI.

Andy Reid should be there on merit alone, much better player than Miller, Andrews, etc.

A central midfield pairing of Gibson-Whelan is going to get us killed against real opposition. John O'Shea is a much better option in Trap's system. Put McShane in at centre half instead.

im of the thinking that even though trap went to the preston game he wasn't going to include anyone on show, but has them in mind for again.

However if st ledger was really that good he is of the age where he should be getting a move to the premiership. No one has come in for him and that says a lot. Trap knows what a player needs id say at this stage in his life, he mustn't have seen anything from any player outside the squad(bar andy reid) who he thinks is going to make a more significant contribution.

At the end of the day(as i say :D), i think gibsons inclusion is merited, ferguson and trap have given him time and im not better judge than them. It seems trap giving him a chance also worked with ferguson giving him a chance. I'm just a little upset not to see andy reid there.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

im of the thinking that even though trap went to the preston game he wasn't going to include anyone on show, but has them in mind for again.

However if st ledger was really that good he is of the age where he should be getting a move to the premiership. No one has come in for him and that says a lot. Trap knows what a player needs id say at this stage in his life, he mustn't have seen anything from any player outside the squad(bar andy reid) who he thinks is going to make a more significant contribution.

At the end of the day(as i say :D), i think gibsons inclusion is merited, ferguson and trap have given him time and im not better judge than them. It seems trap giving him a chance also worked with ferguson giving him a chance. I'm just a little upset not to see andy reid there.

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there are problems with the squad yes but they are all minor imho when compared to the constant selection of Liam fecking Miller :mad: Absolutely baffles me how this guy manages to pull the wool over the eyes of Trap and the management team...can't pass, doesn't run, can't tackle, has nothing to contribute to the team AT ALL!!

there are so many players that could do a better job than this bloody loser...
Reid
Garvan
McCann
Hoolahan
Rowlands
even Darren Potter ffs!

I'm sure there are more but I can't think straight with the rage...


I need to lie down...

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

However if st ledger was really that good he is of the age where he should be getting a move to the premiership. No one has come in for him and that says a lot. Trap knows what a player needs id say at this stage in his life,

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All St Ledger needs do to justify his selection is be better than Alex Bruce. I would respectfully suggest that you and Trapp are in a very small minority if you think Bruce is a better player. He was off-loaded by his own father and has struggled to hold down a centre-back position in a mid-table team.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

there are problems with the squad yes but they are all minor imho when compared to the constant selection of Liam fecking Miller :mad: Absolutely baffles me how this guy manages to pull the wool over the eyes of Trap and the management team...can't pass, doesn't run, can't tackle, has nothing to contribute to the team AT ALL!!

there are so many players that could do a better job than this bloody loser...
Reid
Garvan
McCann
Hoolahan
Rowlands
even Darren Potter ffs!

I'm sure there are more but I can't think straight with the rage...


I need to lie down...

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O'Toole
S.Quinn
Tabb
Norris
McPhail
Carsley
Douglas (just about)

im willing to trust trap even if the squad as we can all see is way off. if i was ireland manager in the morn id be straight on the phone tho to andy reid to apologize to him the way hes been treated. dying to play but cant. hang in there andy pleaseee

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Originally Posted by amaccann

Another dull squad from Trap. Yes, he's a great manager, yes we are 2nd in the table & sitting pretty. I wouldn't take that away from him for a second. But forgive me if I don't get giddy with excitement at seeing that midfield in action.

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Fair enough but thats just the situation we are in at the moment, we dont have many top players. Therefore, all the more of an achievement if Trap gets us to qualify.
I dont particularly like Trap's apparent stubbornness or system but we knew what we were getting when we signed an old school Italian manager and if playing like this means we qualify then happy days!! It wasnt like we played silky football under Jack! So far I cant really see how we can criticise Trap and long may that continue.

I expect Gibson to start in the Georgia game again, I think Andrews probably deserves the nod. We should beat Georgia but its no guarantee, we played very well in the first half in the last game against them but in the 15 mins up till Whelan's fortunate goal they were starting to cause us alot of problems.

at least whelan is back in the stoke team again. one positive. reckon gibson will prob stay in there. got a bit of game time at utd recently. maybe he will grow into it.

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Originally Posted by Duggie

at least whelan is back in the stoke team again. one positive. reckon gibson will prob stay in there. got a bit of game time at utd recently. maybe he will grow into it.

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Maybe your right, we will grow into the roll.
I actually like that approach by a manager blood a young player with talent (which Gibson has) and keep him there make a player out of him, although I would prefer if he were partnered by a more experienced midfielder!

well im happy enough with whelan, formed a good partnership with reid. trouble is we have no one to replace steven reid. well trap dosent think so anyway.

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Originally Posted by Duggie

at least whelan is back in the stoke team again. one positive. reckon gibson will prob stay in there. got a bit of game time at utd recently. maybe he will grow into it.

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Would I be correct in saying that once Diao is fit again Whelan will be back to square one at Stoke? They have had their worst run of the season with Whelan playing. Lets face it- the maximum amount of games Gibson is going to play for the rest of the season is 2, and that's assuming United reach the Carling Cup Final.

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

Would I be correct in saying that once Diao is fit again Whelan will be back to square one at Stoke? They have had their worst run of the season with Whelan playing. Lets face it- the maximum amount of games Gibson is going to play for the rest of the season is 2, and that's assuming United reach the Carling Cup Final.

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im trying to stay positive, course we would like a better midfield but it aint goin to change under trap is it. i have no problem with whelan, hes a decent player.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

there are problems with the squad yes but they are all minor imho when compared to the constant selection of Liam fecking Miller :mad: Absolutely baffles me how this guy manages to pull the wool over the eyes of Trap and the management team...can't pass, doesn't run, can't tackle, has nothing to contribute to the team AT ALL!!

there are so many players that could do a better job than this bloody loser...
Reid
Garvan
McCann
Hoolahan
Rowlands
even Darren Potter ffs!

I'm sure there are more but I can't think straight with the rage...


I need to lie down...

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i feel ur pain mate

miller should not be allowed play football never mind be in an international team

Andrews is going to be the key player. Is Trap going to play him instead of Gibson? I believe he should. He is now a regular starter for Blackburn and seems to be improving fast enough to get a regular starting place for us. He ghosts into the oppositon's box and has an excellent first touch. Not a great finisher yet but for me offers more of a threat than Gibson.

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Originally Posted by Duggie

im trying to stay positive, course we would like a better midfield but it aint goin to change under trap is it. i have no problem with whelan, hes a decent player.

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It's all well and good staying positive and my reservations about the squad selection isn't going to stop me going to the games and hoping for the best. However, it is only human nature to cut the sh!t of a decision if you feel is a nonsensical one, that's what the forums here for.

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

It's all well and good staying positive and my reservations about the squad selection isn't going to stop me going to the games and hoping for the best. However, it is only human nature to cut the sh!t of a decision if you feel is a nonsensical one, that's what the forums here for.

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true but still wont change trap decisions. agree with ya though.

Has Ireland ever had so many good/medium(I just dont want to say medicore) players to choose from but unfortunately they have not yet stepped up that level that makes them an automatic choice. I don't ever remember us having so many players in the top two divisions in England before.Admittedly a lot of them are playing in the championship.If two or three could just reach that next step it would be great.I think it just goes to show how difficult it is to get a move to a premier league club these days. Imho 15/20 years ago players like K.Doyle,St Ledger,K Foley would definitely be playing in the top league

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Originally Posted by rambler14

This is the first squad were Darron Gibson's inclusion is justified in my opinion as he has been very good for Man Utd over the Xmas period.

There are a number of things that baffle me about that squad:

• No Andy Reid!
• No Sean St Ledger!
• The selection of Caleb Folan!
• The selection of Alex Bruce.......again!
• The selection of at least 6 players if not more who warm the bench every week in both the Premiership and the Championship!:mad:

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Fully agree but would also like to add McShane and Miller to that list. St Ledger is twice the player McShane and Bruce are and to have Liam Miller instead of A Reid is a joke.

Lads I want Andy Reid in the squad but its clear that he does not see him as a central midfielder and I am coming to think its not Miller who is keeping him out of the squad but Robbie Keane.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I want Andy Reid in the squad but its clear that he does not see him as a central midfielder and I am coming to think its not Miller who is keeping him out of the squad but Robbie Keane.

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wha, dont get this post. the only reason reid isnt in the squad is trap dosent like him / want him there.

No I think it cause he does not think he can play central midfield. He thinks he can play just off the striker but does not think we have the players to play that system. I do not think that Trap is as petty to leave him out just because what happened in Germany.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

No I think it cause he does not think he can play central midfield. He thinks he can play just off the striker but does not think we have the players to play that system. I do not think that Trap is as petty to leave him out just because what happened in Germany.

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I think it's very possible (likely) he's being that petty. The system explains why Reid isn't in the team but doesn't explain why he's not in the squad. Keane was missing for the friendly against Poland so it would have been an ideal time to try Reid in the role u are suggesting but he was once again completely omitted- for the inclusion of Hull's 5th choice striker!!!

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

No I think it cause he does not think he can play central midfield. He thinks he can play just off the striker but does not think we have the players to play that system. I do not think that Trap is as petty to leave him out just because what happened in Germany.

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nah no way, reckon he just dosent fancy him as a player plain and simple and germany didnt help.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I want Andy Reid in the squad but its clear that he does not see him as a central midfielder and I am coming to think its not Miller who is keeping him out of the squad but Robbie Keane.

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imo trap sees reid as someone who can play in behind the main attacker and imo for reid to play there he would have to drop keane

but reid still should be in squad ...even as backup..surely

i think reid is class but im guessing trap feels that if he plays reid in that position , then reid wont offer the same tracking back and defensive cover as keane does.

id hope that our management team can move on from the germany incident

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

No I think it cause he does not think he can play central midfield. He thinks he can play just off the striker but does not think we have the players to play that system. I do not think that Trap is as petty to leave him out just because what happened in Germany.

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Spot on Neil. I've said the same elsewhere. To be fair to Trap, he's said the same about Andy Keogh too, that his best position is off the striker, and he's rewarded trap to a certain degree.

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

Why do people constantly single out Liam for criticism on this site? He's a competent midfielder, he hasn't done anything great for us but he's never been a liability either. If you're going to single him out why not do the same for Bruce, Long, Keogh, Delaney, Gibson, Whelan or Folan. What have any of them ever done for us either? Do we have any better options than not calling up stopgap players? No, not really.

Miller won't be taking to the field and is there for cover, give him a break.

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ALL those players have been bitched about at one time or another.