terrible display by Real Madrid. Had to switch off after a while
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terrible display by Real Madrid. Had to switch off after a while
Thankfully I watched Juve-Chelsea. Juve were unlucky I thought and I'm still unsure why their man was sent off? Was it for the tackle? Chelsea looked very ordinary and no real balance to the team. I'd be very surprised if they get to the final again. Then again if they keep Drogba and Carvalho fit you never know. Lampard and Ballack went missing most of the match but will probably get 8/9s in the paper tomorrow.
How bad were Madrid? The reports I've read so far are not kind to them at all.
Ballack covered the most ground out of all the Chelsea players and had the most successful passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
How serious was the injury, it didn't look that bad... he may yet make the Coppa Italia 2nd leg (late April) and play a part in the title race...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon
I thought Juventus were a bit unlucky but at the same time they rarely threatend to unlock the Chelsea defence. Del Piero is a class act, but far too much of their attacking link up play goes through him. It's too much pressure on one player and teams like Chelsea can just pack the midfield and double or even triple mark him. Then if Nedved goes off there are real problems, esp as Sissoko was injured - he's not world class going forward but he has a lot of drive and stamina, which Juventus were missing tonight.
I think if Bayern could be a good bet, and I think the match of the round will be at the Dragao Stadium tomorrow night. Atletico are the best attacking team in Europe this season and have ripped Barcelona and Real Madrid's defence apart in the last two weeks. They've a shocking defence but I hope they can get past Porto. Simao is one of the best attacking midfielders in the world on current form (better than the other Portuguese) and Kun Aguero is lethal when running onto balls over the top!
Juve were unlucky with the sending off and it was a game that either could have won.
I thought we looked uncomfortable at times , especially defending and Bosingwa is not a full back . Think we'll struggle against a better team but the return of Essien , Carvlhio and a more up for it Drogba , we might be in with a shout.
Have to applaud Liverpool, thats just a fantastic result .[ Hurt to say that]
Are you on drugs? Lets ignore the fact that only for Casilles, Real would have been about 4-0 down before the penalty decision even happened, and also that overall it could have been about 10-0 and not one bit flattering to Liverpool. And pepe wasn't fouled for the first, unless it's basketball rules we're playing to now? Madrid getting their hands on No.10?!? Hahahahahaha, good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Red4Eva
One of the most once sided contests between two heavyweights in the history of the competition. Fantastic to see the cocky condescending Real Madrid absolutely humiliated once and for all, if I do say so myself :D I hope they enjoy every painstaking bit of it :p
Amazed to read how many of you are more intrested in terrible Madrid, than acknowledging just how good Liverpool were.
Madrid are unbeaten in La Liga since Christmas but the reds just tore them to pieces. Bit of credit where it's due eh fellas...
whatever about the rest of my post you are on drugs if you don't think pepe was fouled. torres had his arm on pepe's shoulder when he clipped pepe's left leg. look at torres' reaction after he put it in!Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Reproducing that form in league is what's needed..................still, great performance v Madrid. So amusing listening to Dipstick Dunphy calling it ' bullying' etc. Its nearly as enjoyable to see him compounding his stupidity as it is seeing a better performance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
I didnt watch Liverpool last night so I cant comment on the game itself. However, judging by the result, it was a great performance and night of CL football at Anfield.
I just dont understand why Liverpool threat teams like Madrid with utter contempt in the CL, get in their faces and beat them off the field, yet when Stoke, West Ham, ...... come to Anfield, they sit back give them plenty of the ball.
What was he saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
He was going on about how "foreigners" couldn't play at a high tempo even if they tried. Of course failing to note that there were more Spaniards on the Liverpool team than the Real teamQuote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
Real Madrid have been a shadow of themselves since in the Champions League 2003. Knocked out every time in the last 16 once they have to beat a decent team over two games.Quote:
Madrid are unbeaten in La Liga since Christmas but the reds just tore them to pieces. Bit of credit where it's due eh fellas.
They are now the equivalent of a bloated 40 year old former Heavyweight Champion way past his prime. Still hav'nt recovered from the Galacticos experiment so all credit to Liverpool for finally putting them out of their misery.
how wrong can you possibly be....Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
you'd give dunphy a run for his money
I can't stand him but I thought Gerrard was superb.
The Liverpoool penalty award was almost identical to the one Ireland got against Georgia.
I started watching the Chelsea game instead, far more entertaining - or at least far more competitive.
No comment on the Chelsea players as we all know them well enough at this stage, but that young Italian guy at Juve - Giovinco? - looks a real handful. Small but very skillful and quick.
Has anyone seen much of him?
Watched the Villareal Pana match last night. It was a pretty decent tie. Villareal should have got a few more though. They had a goal ruled out (Cazorla, iirc) which should have stood and then missed a sitter at the end. I thought Ibagaza was probably their best player on the night.
Some typical comments on here about Liverpool.
When they hammer some teams - Madrid, Inter, Juve, Barca etc its because the other teams are sh1te.
When United do it, United are the best team in the World.
Im not saying Madrid werent poor because they were but they were also made to look poor on the night. As someone said it could have been 10-0 only for Casillas.
Lets see if United put four past Inter tonight who are equally as poor as Madrid.
Utd do not need to put four past Inter they just need to win the league and be champions of Europe they are going to do and are. THey may even win it again.
Lets hope not or we'll never hear the end of it...
Thank god for Zenit...
I am a neutral but in general I think Man Utd play good football, (not tonight though) so I have no problem with them winning to be honest. Much rather them win than the borefest (with the exception of last night) of Liverpool. Hopefully Barcelona can do it though.
I'd like Villareal to win it. They play good honest football are a family club and represent all that is good in Spanish football. They sign players who dont generally get a rub of the green at other clubs (Rossi, Ibagaza at Atletico, Riquelme back at Barca) and now they have a very good crop of players Senna, Cazorla, Mati Fernandez and Josepba Llorente, they have a young lad Damián Escudero from Rosario who tore the Argentine league apart in his time with Velez, he is loaned out to Valladolid, but he could be a great player in a few seasons, superb on the left wing...
It will be interesting to see how the draw pans out, I would think Bayern could be underestimated by a lot of teams. While they have been a bit sloppy in the Bundesliga they have shown zero mercy in the Champions League, dispatching Lisbon with clinical menace. They've a got these triangles of strength all over the pitch, at the back they have Lucio, Demichelis and Van Bommel sitting just in front of them, then they have Ribery, Podolski and Toni at the business end of the field... I still think there is good value to be had in putting a bet on them, you could get a good margin...
Sorry mate but if you watch it again you'll see that Pepe was already off balance and on his way down by trying to stretch for the ball, which he made a balls of. It was no more a foul than Madrid being capable of winning the competition. And having an arm on someone is not a foul - for it to be a foul there has to be a forced push, drag/pull or obstruction causing a trip and there was none of these. Pepe fell over naturally trying to stretch for the ball. Irrelevent anyway cos as I said earlier it should have been about 10-0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red4Eva
I'm going on previous form. One big win over a poor Madrid side and all of a sudden they are gonna rip Man Utd to pieces? Even the Liverpool players are buying into it now with Mascherano beating his chest. One convincing win in the second round means nothing if you go out in the Q final stages and finish 3rd in the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunt4the
Man Utd didn't play very well last night. Carrick and Scholes were way below their normal standards but a win against a Mourinho side is always special. Fingers crossed Man Utd get paired up with Liverpool in the Quarters.
I was robbed!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
Robbed again!!! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
Roma, Inter and Juve regained some pride for Italian football. Each could count themselves unfortunate. Inter were certainly the better side on the night but couldn't find the onion sack. Roma only went out on penos (didn't see the game) while Juve pushed Chelsea all the way. That said, all three went out.
I don't think inter were the better side on the night. Probably should've gone in level at half time but second half was relatively comfortable for utd
Liverpool's performance on Tuesday night was as near perfection as they could possibly produce. Great tempo, kept the ball well and didn't give Real a kick for 90mins. It was the type of performance United should have been aiming to replicate last night. United themselves have produced this type of performance in the past on similar nights v Roma and Barcelona at OT last yr. Liverpool fans should be proud of their teams performance on Tuesday night but must surely understand how neutrals/anti Pool supporters tend to focus on how awful Madrid were. Lets face it, as good as Liverpool were it was beyond belied that a Madrid team could be (not only look) so bad. Atletico could and should have scored 5/6 against them at the wkd and that's no exaggeration. In fact Real's equaliser in that match was offside as well.
I think Tuesday night was more a reflection on Madrid than Liverpool as the Pool have produced similar performances over the past few yrs in Europe but not had 4-0 to show for it cos they were up against teams that had something about them. Fair play though you can only beat what's put in front of you and Liverpool did that with ease.
Of course it was after scoring a completely undeserved 2nd goal very early on. I'm a United fan but they were as bad as I've seen in a long time. Inter very unlucky on the night but United completely deserved it over the 2 legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I agree. If O'Shea and Berbatov had their shooting boots it could have been 4 goals to the good. Man Utd were brilliant in the first leg and should have had gone into the second leg with a commanding lead yet it remained 0-0. They turn up at OT, put in an average performance and win 2 nil. Football is a funny old game at times!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Anybody notice how bad the goalkeepers were for the penalty shoot out last night? The Roma goalkeeper was woeful.
How were inter unlucky? Strikers missing chances isn't unlucky. Football isn't about posession or chances created. Its about goals. Inter couldn't score and couldn't claim it was anybody's fault but their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
United did very little to justify being 2-0 up. They rode their luck. Of course it's important to take your chances and United did but on another night a couple of Inter's chances would have been taken as well. Inter passed the ball better than United in the first half and were generally the better side. At the end of it all goals are all that matters but they don't always go to the team that are looking more threatening despite your simplistic logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Shocking altogether.They were diving about 3 seconds before the ball was even kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Nothing simplistic about it at all. Looking threatening means absolutely nothing. Do defenders and goalkeepers not have a part to play in the game? Statistics in football don't matter. A team can have 45 shots on target and not score and lose to a team that has one shot and does. It was probably a combination of poor strikers and a geat goalkeeper but each of those areas are equally valid, and equally important.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
The only cause for complaint any team can have is if they lose due to a referee's incorrect decision. Every other time they get the result they deserve
Complete rubbish again Dodge..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
How so?
That is ridiculous that last comment. If a team dominates another, rattles the bar, has 70% of the possesion, 27 corners, 30 shots on goal and say draws the game, then it's what they deserve??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
B.S man..
Luck has it's part in Football. It's a human trait. Didn't your Alien leaders teach you that before they sent you here??
Absolutely. If its 30 shots on target, the keeper was great, wins motm and defintiely deserves a draw. If its 30 shots off target thats absolutely disgraceful fiishing. Surely finishing and goalkeeping are important in the game? What do corners mean? barcelona regularly has 70% of possession. You think they "deserve" to win every game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
Whats lucky about missing that target? Whats lucky about a keeper saving 30 shots? Suppose Schmeical was the luckiest keeper in the world?Quote:
Luck has it's part in Football. It's a human trait. Didn't your Alien leaders teach you that before they sent you here??
You think I'm the alien and you want the game to be settled on corners?
Lets look at the facts, Madrid were pathetic, had nothing in defence, midfield, and absolutely nothing up front. They were sh1te!! Liverpool played well, but this was just a blip in their season.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
I'm not a Man Ure fan, but the reason they are the best in the world when they do it is because they consistantly do it. Not just in one off cup competitions, but over the course of the season every season.
Bad luck is just an excuse used when you dont do something right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
It's not anymore unlucky to hit the post that to hit the corner flag, it just means you didnt place the ball in the right place. Players have games where they cant score, not because of bad luck but because they're striking the ball wrong.
If a team has 30 shots on goal they should have a striker good enough to convert one of them.
If they miss all of them then its either poor finishing or excellent goalkeeping, nothing else.
Ive shouted 'unlucky' as much as anyone else, but thats just a way to try to encourage people for a good effort. Its not actually unlucky it just wasnt good enough.
Strange deflections/high winds/ bad refereeing are the only things I would consider similar to 'luck' in football