I. Don't. Believe. You.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
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I. Don't. Believe. You.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
Examples - Cork last game of the 2007 season. 20 Gardaí storm onto the away section in Turners cross knocking lumps out of anyone in sight because one person has a flare. Constant little provocations at Dalymount from them. Why do you think we have a Garda Harassment forum at TheBohs.Com?
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You have been really unlucky with your choices of GAA game
Never saw anything that bad between two sets of fans inside a LOI ground in this decade. Was I just lucky?
I could tell you why I think but you wouldn't like it. ;) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Are you serious? Come off the stage or down out of the clouds. It goes on wholesaleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
Fair enough, go with a ratio so and see how it fairs out. I'd put money on it, and thats even with the current level of reporting and glossing over of GAA trouble that goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I have heard of countless incidents at GAA games that would far out number anything at footie games, and i have witnessed far more incidents at GAA games, from the Harty Cup to Munster Finals, and i can tell you that i have been to far more footie games than GAA games.Quote:
How about as an exercise you compare the number of times a fan or other non-participant has assaulted a player on the pitch in the GAA compared with football at all levels which would be much fairer afterall.
500 and it still wouldn't make you sit up and take notice, sure what the feic are you posting about it for so, its pointless. What if everyone in Donegal had the same attitude as you???Quote:
Still you could give me 500 it still wouldn't make hooliganism the gardais fault.
I'd agree but thats not to say it doesn't happen, and when it does happen it can be on a far larger scale than anything you'll see at a LOI game.Quote:
You have been really unlucky with your choices of GAA game.
Ratio wouldn't be particularly fair either seeing as you would be dealing with far larger numbers and a far larger cross section of society at GAA games.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Championship games aren't even segregated FFS.
Myself and ten of my mates (no sniggering at the back) could travel to a game in say Thurles without tickets, get tickets for the "Clare end", bring in as much drink as we could carry and cheer and whoop and generally act the culchie for 70 minutes without an ounce of hassle.
I've done it on numerous occasions
Can you imagine if we tried to do the same at say a Rovers v Limerick F.C. game??
And remember at the GAA game there would be about 15,000 in the end, whereas as the football game there would be about 1500 in the ground.
Is Limerick honestly the only place where you hear of the officials at Junior games getting a smack in the mouth every now and again?!?!Quote:
I have heard of countless incidents at GAA games that would far out number anything at footie games, and i have witnessed far more incidents at GAA games, from the Harty Cup to Munster Finals,
Obviously, since you just admitted yourself that much of your info on the GAA games is second hand.Quote:
and i can tell you that i have been to far more footie games than GAA games.
What, in ainm de, is this about?!?!Quote:
500 and it still wouldn't make you sit up and take notice, sure what the feic are you posting about it for so, its pointless. What if everyone in Donegal had the same attitude as you???
Mainly because the crowds would be on a far, far larger scale I'm sure you'd agree??Quote:
I'd agree but thats not to say it doesn't happen, and when it does happen it can be on a far larger scale than anything you'll see at a LOI game
What about around the ground??Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Oh right. That's absolutely nothing to do with the league.......
You see very little around the ground too. As I said, this is a non-topic. Some lazy journo needed to make a deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I've seen far worse around LoI grounds than I have around GAA grounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Have never seen a gun fired after a hurling match. :eek: :p
I don't think anybody is claiming that it's a particularly big deal.
All I'm saying is that it is a problem that exists, it is a realatively large one given the tiny numbers involved and it could IMO be very easily nipped in the bud (well to a large extent anyway) if clubs were really pushed about it.
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Just to lighten the mood like :)
He's getting all his gifs over on football 365 folks!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
You aint impressing me that easily jebus! :p
Some, but not this one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Next time you're around mine I'll have to show you a forum that will open your eyes :p
Bloody Students :eek: :eek: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Non-participants attacking players? At intercounty level? Give me some examples so.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Shocking that:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Go and do that on the Hill at a Dubs game and tell us how you get on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Whats the obsession with the intercounty level? Surely senior club fixtures are more in line with EL attendences?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
You know well and good that spectators have assaulted referees, players and team officials on quite a few occasions at senior club games over the last few years. Its been reported in the national press.
The only incident I can remember in the EL is Tom clotheslining an assistant referee a few seasons back (Belfield or Bray?). Oh and one of our fans pulled Barry Ryan's ears as he went to take a goal kick about 8 years ago.
The reality is that the GAA has such a control over the psyche of the media and other apparatus of the state that any hint of public disorder is either brushed under the carpet or portrayed as an integral part of the "manliness" that is an inherent part of the sport (subtext: if you complain you're a soft poof, most probably from the city and are probably unpatriotic to boot).
So in summary, when some mucksavage in a headband acts up its portayed as exhuberance and a bit of craic, but when someone dressed in Burberry or Stone Island does it its somehow more sinister and pretty much organised gang violence.
How many EL clubs are there? Now how many GAA clubs are there?
It is far more reasonable to compare the eircom league with intercounty GAA in terms of the number of teams participating.
For Jaysus sake man get off your ratio mantra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
As regards football there is the EL teams right down to Sunday mroning kickarounds going on in the country all the time every weekend.
Believe me, you know and I know if there was hassle at those games e.g. EL Reserve / 'A' games, Leinster or other provincial Senior or Junior games, Junior Cup games etc. it would be reported in the papers - especially the herald!!
It doesn't happen at those levels in football, it does happen at those levels, as well as right down to U-12 games in the GAA world - get over it!!
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This is very exaggerated i was at that game and bohs fans had flares and cork city fans had smoke and also a flare that didnt last long at the other end of the derrynane ( where ye were) and yes they might of pushed and shoved but certainly did not "knock lumps out of anyone":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
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To plan yer little casual outings of course and how ye'll do a display without being caught:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
By and large there isn't a hooligan problem in any sport in this country.
I'm sure we can all find instances in other sports. We have issues in football too but they are pretty minor. The Tribune is a terrible newspaper in all respects and that is where the criticism should be directed. They'll probably ignore th eelague again next season and run the story for a 3rd time this time next year.
As for general media coverage this is one area where the FAI could do much better. The GAA get good press because they are paranoid about their image. They will threaten to sue any paper that dares to utter criticism. The FAI have failed to sue in every case despite blatant libel.
I don't understand your last comparison, would you prefer Irish Football to develop a mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
There is the McDonald's model of replying to ever negative point, article or letter published. But that was more manageable in the 'hardcopy' era. Nowadays, when Irish Football does reply and attempt to manage some aspects of the media they are hysterically accused of extreme behaviour.
Of course, it does not make sense to sue (even threathen to sue) unless the injury is obvious. Otherwise you gain a reputation like Robert Maxwell's.
(And I don't mean a nice trip on a yacht.)
So it appears crowd trouble in the GAA is specifically a Leinster problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Glad that has been cleared up
I'd agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
The part about Garda spotters in particular cracked me up.
Are the fans of some clubs expected to make room in their cars so the guards can travel with them??
Well, I got my driving licence a little while ago, so as long as Angus, Pineapple Stu or Bald Student is going too, we could probably fit one. I'm not sure I'd advise letting a cop watch Pineapple Stu drive though. I figure he'd be doing well to get to the M50 before arresting him. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
The Green Party have so disillusioned society that even the UCD lads have ditched their bicycles for cars. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I'm in the US at the moment. When I put the foot down in the car, the needle on the petrol gauge visibly moves and I can feel a disturbance, as if millions of greens cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Not exaggerated at all. If you were in the shed you were a fair bit away from what happened. There was on flare and a few smokes. One steward kicked things off by wading into the crowd knocking people aside and he was followed by 20 or so trainee gardaí and a few non trainee. At one stage a motor cycle cop was in the thick of it with no numbers. Challenged on this he said he wanted to get stuck into soccer fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by corkboy360
I wouldn't like to have the GAA "pravda" style media coverage. However there does need to be a level of media management. The media can say what they like about the FAI or football in this country and get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce
Cheech I am going to back up dcfc Steve on this one and I'm not sure you are particularly well informed at all before making statements you clearly know nothing about and to weigh that up against League of Ireland troubles is simply nonsense. I get to a hell of a lot of games here and all the talk last night here regarding the Stoke City v Derby County league cup tie revolved around the clash off the pitch between Derby's Lunatic Fringe and Stoke City's Naughty Forty. I remember been caught up in after match violence between Birmingham City and Cardiff City. As I was caught up in it it didn't matter to police whether I was involved or not and we were charged, battoned and the dogs were used. I managed to escape down a side street and it was the worst case of violence I was ever caught up in. But its part of the football experience. And it simply never got any mention whatsoever in the media here. Likewise at Molinyeaux for Wolves v Stoke. Its another nasty derby game with huge focus on off the pitch activities. We had to get off the train from Stoke and get a later train such was the danger to us on that train. It never got a mention. I can't imagine what it was like when there was a problem worth reporting on.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
To even mention football violence in Ireland in the same breath is simply ridiculous. I agree also that the Premier Lague is sanitised football. Current Chelsea support is utterly unrecognisable to its support in the 1970's and 1980's.
As for the tribune article. Absolutely and utterly pathetic stuff. I have no problem with people been banned, in fact I welcome it. I have no problem with that been reported either if its fact. But to report it as part of sch a sensational declaration as this is irresponsible.
And out come the tin-foil hats again.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
i honestly dont see any problem here - i mean you give it and then you take it -whats the problem - unless you actually expect the police to be fair minded:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harpsbear
I know there is football violence in England!!
I didn't say there wasn't!! I was using the point that it normally happens away from the ground (Steve was arguing that it happens in the grounds too but that wasn't relevant to my point) yet everyone accepts that there is a serious hooligan problem there. I was using that as an example as people on this thread don't associate young Bohs hooligans smashing up buses going down O'Connell St because there are Rovers fans on it as been an LOI problem.
If you would read the entire thread you would see that I was debating with a Bohs lad that trouble involving football fans here on match night in my opinion, IS connected with the LOI. He said it wasn't. My point was that there is trouble away from the ground in England and we all know this to be a football hooligan problem. But if it happens in Ireland - then it is not. I wasn't "weighing" up hooliganism in Ireland against England!
Hope that explains things for you.
Now hopefully you will answer me a question. How long have you been in England?
Well I can now see where you were going actually with that with regard to away from the ground but having said that the scale of the matter between both countries is incomparable. Your right football is accepted here, its swept under the carpet and just not given any profile whatsoever.
To answer your question I'm here a year and a half at this stage. Thankfully I wasn't around for the violence of the 70's and 80's but from what I've seen and what hasn't actually been reported I can only imagine the scale of the problem.
Lads, the fact that a lot of you completely misintrepeted Cheech's post (when it seemed pretty obvious the point he was trying to make) and started having a go at him would suggest you need to calm down and take your finger off the trigger.
was just about tomake the same point were people purposely misreading his posts because I thougt his point was clear, most voilence, hooligans etc takes place outside of grounds in england subways city centers etc that does not mean it has nothing to do with footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
Who mentioned the shed:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Were you actually there "the shed" died November 18th 2005 ;):p
Aren't you still calling it that? Shed end, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by corkboy360
Don't expect it at all, but I'll always have a problem with someone with the power to arrest me laying it on like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
I'm posting this article from todays Indo just in response to the above post and not to start a tit-for-tat GAA v soccer row. I know there are violent incidents at club level in the GAA but to say there are none in soccer is just daft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guts&Glory
Jail for footballer who punched ref
By Conor Gallagher
Friday December 05 2008
A soccer player who punched a referee after he was sent off for violent contact was jailed yesterday.
Shane Brennan (20), of Cromcastle Drive, Kilmore, Dublin, was playing for an under-18 side in a north Dublin League when he hit referee Mark Davidson in the mouth. Mr Davidson said since the incident he had spent over €3,000 on dental work and expected to spend another €60,000. Judge Katherine Delahunt dismissed this figure as excessive and sentenced Brennan to two years, suspending the final 12 months on condition he engage with the probation service and seek treatment for his bipolar depression.
She noted he showed a "lack of empathy" with the victim because he tried to justify his assault by saying, "I had never been sent off in my life."
Assault
Brennan had pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to assault causing harm at Portmarnock Sports and Leisure Centre on May 15 2007.
The court was told how the accused was sent off during a game between Portmarnock FC and Donaghmede Celtic. Mr Davidson said Brennan, who played for Portmarnock, was ordered off after he pushed an opposition player to the ground.
Prosecutor Garnett Orange said: "The accused saw more than red and punched the referee in the face."
Defence counsel Ray Colgan said Brennan suffered from serious bipolar depression and has had several psychotic incidents.
Mr Colgan said his client had recently spent three months in a residential care home because of his illness.
Seems to show a bias in the laws of the land. When do GAA players & fans get jailed for punching officials?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
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Now the judiciary are out to get us aswell?!?!?! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
:rolleyes:
For once I agree with Pete. Actually I think thats twice in five years but you get the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Thank you man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
You voice an opinion and you are ridiculed. People think you are saying something else, put you down and dance all over your grave.
Even on the internet people don't like getting things wrong.