Yep. He bet against his team, he had inside information on the game, he's a cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint_Charlie
That his other part of the double header didn't come in shouldn't be taken into account
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Yep. He bet against his team, he had inside information on the game, he's a cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint_Charlie
That his other part of the double header didn't come in shouldn't be taken into account
He didn't play so less than a lifetime ban, but enough punishment to deter others (see slippy slope argument). A season minimum.
Gutted it wasn't Rodgers.
I think the player should have his case heard. Obviously he's going to say, 'sure it was only 20 quid, I wasn't involved in the game, I wasn't aware I was breaking any rules, etc'. I think some common sense needs to prevail here. He's held up his hands about it, so credit to him for that, at least. To talk about giving season-long bans for the sake of a 20e bet, taking away a player's livelihood on one act of stupidity, is OTT.
A fine or a ban for a few games would be sufficient.
Bollo-x, He is in a position to influence the end result of a game, he has a duty to his team mates, his employers, his fellow pros, Pats fans, every other team in the league to ensure the integrity of every game he takes part in. A lifetime ban is a must.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Regardless of the amount of money staked, €20 according to Dempsey, but realistically there is no way of verifying that, how many games did he bet on & profited from that he was involved in.
This raises its ugly head every now & again, its has to be stamped out with force.
Re Brianw82, he held up his hands after he was caught! Hardly honesty.
In every other sport this will get you warned off or banned for life, think Kieran Fallon. Even if he claims momentary insanity he should still receive a lifetime ban. Its the only way to stop it happening again. He can have as much as he like on Pats to win ( or any other game ) but he cannot bet on a game he is marterially involved in, regardless of whether he takes par, he had access to information regarding the pats team.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Shane on him.
Where did the story come from in the first place, as in how did it come knowledge that he placed this bet if it was only part of a 20 euro double. You just cant take his word for it that it was only 20 euro. Ignorance of the law is no defence either.
The only way I can think of, is that he was recognised by a cahier in whatever bookie he went into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceirtlis
sponsor and directors not happy this weekend. Its getting serious for the fai now but did that ever make any difference. At least its publicity and you know what they say about publicity. I remeber eddie van boxtel jumping over the ball in terryland against athlone in 1996 i think after he came down on the train with half the athlone team that morning. It has always gone on
The only thing he's guilty is of being a fool. I could have told you we would have struggled in the games we lost. There was no insider info needed to see that.
Calling for lifetime bans over 20 quid is ridiculous. I'm pretty sure this isn't what Quinn was writing about either. Surely?
The thing is, it probably wont be eL calling for it though. The media will destroy this, we'd be lucky if they relayed the real story. They'll sell more papers if they can make people think its wide spread throughout the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint_Charlie
The FAI and St Pats are on dodgy ground here, and losing face is not an option.
I imagine you have to be right - I don't even know where these stories came from...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint_Charlie
Generally it's the bookies who report any suspicious betting on a match, like Monaghan v Longord. It would be very interesting to see where this story originated - so far there's absolutely no substance to it.
Apparently some lazy hacks are trying to stir up that Dundalk v Athlone was also fixed...
He didn't say there was any suspicious betting did he? I thought he just said that Pats players had bet on themselves to lose. Which Dempsey did. Stupidly.
If he didnt bet with PP he mite pull out on pats:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Didn't a ceratin bookie report 'irregular betting patterns' in the game involved. Now 20 euro is hardly irregular. And is it true Dempsey done a double, with Man City to win, who then lost? :confused:
Yep. He didn't even win the bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by CameramanConka
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Originally Posted by CameramanConka
Its obvious that this isn't what the investigation was about. I'd say he thought he should be up front because if it came out later he'd be in more s**t.
But the article which started it all is from the Daily Mail which only mentions the two Pats players betting against their team. There's no quotes from any bookmakers about suspicious betting patterns regarding Pats.
That makes it all better then, maybe we could have a whip round to make sure he isn't out his twenty euro as well? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint_Charlie
Regardless of the amount it's just sheer stupidity. I can't understand his thinking process, I mean it's not like City are playing well at the moment.
Now your talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
That's true- Quinn admitted this himself live on radio after the games on Friday. Strange how he waited to break the story until Friday instead of releasing it when he "found out" about it. I'd say he waited so Bohs wouldn't get the brunt of bad publicity in the press...Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
see that the news of the world were the first sunday tabloid to reveal gary dempseys name but would this not open a can of worms?? dempsey could easily have done this in the past and simply got away with it...
Did you read the latest posts before posting? It's been talked about already.Quote:
Originally Posted by CelticTiger
No. Ridiculous how this has spiralled. One pats squad member bet €20 on a game when he wasn't playing (in a double with another game) and some people want him banned for life?Quote:
Originally Posted by CameramanConka
Dramaqueens.
Pats will ban him for rest of season, fine him 2 weeks wages. League will do nothing.
Original story was not written about a €20 double that lost, it was meant to involve around a €26,000 win.
The original story regarding this topic was in the Daily Mail and is posted on page 3 of this thread. Where in that original article does it mention a win of €26,000 involving any Pats match or player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
I understand Pats fans here wanting to defend one of their own, but Dempsey deserves a massive ban. Doesn't matter howsmall the bet was, doesn't matter that it lost, he bet against his own team which is a breach of morals and decency, never mind rule 100 of the league.
The guy may be thick, he may be a genius but he was very stupid to bet against his own team and should be made an example of
Its nothing to do with him being a pats player for me. If you think he's the only player in the league to bet on games you're living in a fantasy world.
€20 on a game where you're not involved is nothing.
That time Drogheda played Shamrock Rovers - Drogheda played their U18's and some of the senior players had thousands on Rovers
Agree with you on this. A lifetime ban for this is nonsense. He was very stupid to do what he did but lets get real here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Rubbish, €20 on a game when betting against your team mates, your own club, is not nothing, but this will obviously be a case where we will have to agree to disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
What is it then? As a gambler he thought galway were overpriced. They were.Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
This €20 double is a load of crap.
Why,where & when would a €20 lost bet ring any alarms with Bookies and be pick up by a tabloid newspaer?
Seems to me that Dempsey is taking the fall for something a bit bigger.
Where has any newspaper, or anyone else, reported that bookmakers were alarmed. Paddy Power and William hill have come out and said there were nothing of note about the game to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
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Originally Posted by Dodge
But what kind of professional sports person bets against his/her own team.
Seems very strange to me. I would say there is more to this than we are being told and Dempsey is covering something up.
how would you feel dodge if he backed bohs for the cup semi final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
if i was a footballer betting against my team i would stay under the radar by placing small bets in a number of bookies instead of 1 large bet.
not saying dempsey did , but this is serious mispractice and if the club and the fai dont come down heavy on him , the will be seen to condone it.
Loads of them. You need a dose of reality if you think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
And once again, he was not involved in the game.
If he was only betting €20 I wouldn't give a toss. His win bonus for reaching FAI Cup final would far, far, far outweigh the €50 he'd win with that bet. However he didn't bet on that game, as he was playing in it. Dempsey has said he only ever bet against Pats once, and he wasn't playing in that game. No point guessing about other things that haven't happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by sligored
Whats that got to do with anything? You're making assumptions that he's covering up a more serious gambling habit. One which there's no evidence to suggestQuote:
if i was a footballer betting against my team i would stay under the radar by placing small bets in a number of bookies instead of 1 large bet.
Once again
Dramaqueens
But he wasn't playing or in the match day squad, so what influence over the result could he have had? Talk of life bans is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra