Andy Reid in Liam Miller out
Noel Hunt in Anthony Stokes out
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Andy Reid in Liam Miller out
Noel Hunt in Anthony Stokes out
Andy Reid in Liam Miller out
Lee Carsley in Darren Gibson out
Rory Delap in Alex Bruce out
Noel Hunt in Shane Long out
Daryl Murphy in Anthony Stokes out
Trap i'm not liking your squads or your starting 11's. Nobody is. But it's getting the job done...just. One Day it's going to backfire and were gonna be hammered.
If Andy Reid should start in our central midfield partnership, who should he start with? I can't think of one that looks strong. He was very good against Portsmouth, but played left midfield mostly. It is hard to fit him in
This is a cop-out of a squad. Confirms my impression that the management simply does not know about our options outside the Premiership. Givens & Brady should be more on top of their business than this. Is Stan still pulling the strings?
How can the regular Championship goalscorer Noel Hunt be left out while Long & Stokes are included?
Keogh is very lucky to be still there, especially if he's considered a midfielder. Alex Bruce is lucky too.
Andrews deserves a look.
Gibson & Miller lucky to be still there. Ideal opportunity to take a look at Delap, Garvan, O'Toole and McCann if only in training. I'm not as fussed about McCarthy.
This must be very demotivating for those left out.
Interesting article in World Soccer this month on the history of Il Traps teams and the tactics and formations that he used. I do not think it is up online but worth a look at in the newsagents.
You beat me to it on this point. Was just about to post it... It's shocking lazy on their part and whilst I'm not surprised at Givens, I am at Brady.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
When will players be given a platform?? Another B game??? Another summer get together?? I've defended some of Trapps sqauds simply cos I figured he was waiting until this game to bring in some new blood.
I don't buy into the "wholesale changes" theory mooted by some. The first eleven practically picks itself when fit, so our calls for the inclusion of McCann, O'Toole, Hunt et al will hardly effect that.... It's his plan B I worry about. Or the lack of effort in ensuring we have the best available plan B. He doesn't go to club games?? He doesn't examine depth in critical areas (LF, CH, CM). He's alienating players (A. Reid, Carsley, J O'Brien)??
Yep, I was reserving judgment until this squad on the basis that this was the first real chance to look at anything he hadn't already looked at. This is a more disappointing squad than anything Stan or Kerr ever selected.
Its getting to be a complete nonsense now. Can't get behind this clown at all.
:D
Talk about whinging.
Trapattoni's tactics and formation for the team are clearly defined at this stage. His squad selections reflect this.
If I was to choose a 23-Man squad in the current conidtions, it would be this:
GK (3): Given, Kiely, Murphy
DF (7): K Foley, McShane, Dunne, O'Shea, Bruce, Ward, Kilbane
MF (8): McGeady, A Reid, Fahey, McCarthy, Garvan, Carsley, Duff, S Hunt
FW (5): Keane, Doyle, N Hunt, D Foley, Burgess
If he were to make any more changes it would make a joke of things, we're in the middle of a campaign now with key games to come. Gibson, Andrews, Foley, Bruce & Folan are enough experimentation without bringing in more players unfamiliar with Trapp's way of doing things.
I don't understand why Carsley isn't there. And yes Long & Miller do strike a bum note but it is as more about the system than individuals.
Delighted to see O'Brien dropped.
Have to disagree with you there man... The bold underlined I agree with but the rest, no way. We know Trapps preffered formation so I challenge you to pick two defensive midfeilders from that squad for me please??...Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
He's said in the past the importance of patience and retaining posession but plays Steven Hunt when Duffs unnavailable (I like Hunt BTW just highlighting Trapps inconsystency) esp when it comes to a plan B....
Is this some sort of self promotion or a joke?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
Whilst I'm disappointed some new faces haven't been brought in, I have to respect Traps decision making. He obviously is looking to get a settled side. He'll probably start with a very similiar starting lineup to his last game. Mightn't be any changes until half time. So even if he had called up anyone, they probably wouldn't of seen game time anyway. I wonder if Reid and O'Brien were left out for this reason.
He is doing really well, he is scoring goals, helping the team, I think he deserves it.
haha now I have heard it all, check out the "clowns" cv. :mad::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bobloblaw
Hence the need to play 2 holding midfielders. We don't have one player that is "strong" enough to effectively protect the back four on his own. Personally I like us to have one holding midfielder and one attacking midfielder but playing that way leaves us exposed with the players we have at our disposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
I don't see any inconsistency here at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Dude, he has a settled side. I think you'll find very few people questioning Trapps first 11. It's the fact that he clearly thinks Miller and Bruce are the next best options. The fact he didn't know who Delap was on the radio a few weeks ago. The last 10 minutes against Cyprus with no subs... Eh... And all the other stuff typed by people too... He's not as committed to this Job as I'd like, and as his pay would warrant, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Me too... I've been searching message boards, but nothing yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
He's not even going to the games. So obviously he's not totally committed to the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
Its all about to go pete tong. We simply won't get the results we need against Italy or Bulgaria, home or away, playing the rubbish football he's had us playing so far. And with the players he's selected, i think what we've seen so far is as good as it gets for us i'm afraid.
People can defend him all they like, i'm yet to find anyone to make some sense of his selections. Even Tardelli and Brady it seems.
been left out for what reason?!
N.Hunt starts for Reading and Long does not,but Long gets picked ahead of Hunt:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet
Brady is the one looking at players(meant to be anyway),he is having a big say in who gets picked.
hmm sounds very familiar that one...has Brian Kerr been drafted into the backroom staff on the sly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
oh, and another point - what the hell has Tardelli been doing with his time if he hasn't been watching Championship matches??? :confused:
With Reid and O'Brien making intimations in various outlets that they don't want to be part of the Ireland squad if not getting gametime, maybe Trapattonis feels other players are more worthy of a place in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Pure speculation on my part and now that I've written it down, I don't really
believe it either.
There was talk of a provisional squad last week which had players like Delap/Rowlands/McCarthy in line for a call up. Is this usual? Do players know before a weekend round of fixtures whether they are in line for a call up or not? They're probably be a few withdrawals.
Bloody ****ing hell Long in there over Hunt? No McCarthy (I'm not a big fan, but at least to tie him up)? No Delap?
There is one key area where we dont have a settled team and that's centre mid. S.Reid is out injured and Whelan, Gibson, Miller have all looked unimpressive playing there. It's also the area where we have a crop of young players who are showing outstanding form in the Championship. I simply cannot understand the argument that says "No let's not bother looking at these guys we're fine, if we need another option there's always Keith Andrews. He's not playing regular first team football either so hell be fresh and up for it." Its bloody obvious what's happening with our selection - If you weren't in the squad when Trap took over and your not at a premiership club then you are totally off the radar!Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
On the Delap front there's no way he was going to get picked, because it would have made it obvious that Trap, Tardelli and Brady didn't even know he was Irish. By leaving him out now they can get away with arguing that he's been considered, but wasn't good enough.
joe: but where has reid said anything about not starting?
Very happy with the defenders but Gibson, Miller, Stokes, Folan and Long is taking the p*ss. What more does Noel Hunt have to do?
He's no David Connolly, that's for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
He hasn't, not publically anyway, but I imagined this is what the supposed bustup in Germany was about. Again speculation. An article on Setanta sports suggests the ommission is merely Trap flexing his managerial muscle and that hopefully the lads will be back in the next squad. Hopefully Trapattoni will explain his selections.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
ya id reckon that reid will be in the next one actually, he knows what reid can do already.
I have to ask you... Do you consider Miller, Andrews and Gibson "Holding Midfeilders"??Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I like Steven Hunt but in no way is he an advocate for patience and ball retention. That's were at least one of Trapps inconsistency lies.
I've no problem with Folan's inclusion. Long over Hunt is bizarre alright. Here you are absolutely comparing like with like. They play for the same club in the same position. One gets picked and scores regularly. The other doesn't. Guess which one gets picked for Ireland?
I'm glad Andrews is picked as CM is where we need to be looking at our options. I hope he impresses.
I'll be charitable and say that maybe it's still too early for Garvan and O'Toole though I'd love to see them involved. I don't know McCann's game as well. They have as much justification for inclusion as Gibson - at least they're playing.
Maybe one *unt is enough.
A tame & utterly unimaginative squad. "Whatever gets us to South Africa" is fine by me, but I would have expected some fringe players to come along during the friendlies.
Is there a touch of the Eddie O'Sullivan going on here? IE, Trap picking a "super-squad" come what may & persisting with it without any plan 'B'? It's probably too early to tell.
Is Brady just a water carrier? I can understand Trap not listening to anything Givens tells him. But Brady seems to have no infleunce whatsover. As for Stapo and Mick Martin. What are their roles other than watching matches for free. How much respect does Trap have for his "assistants"? I am guessing very little in a football sense. This could spell the end of Andy Reid's Ireland career and that to me is very wrong. Reid is not world class. He can't run. But he is the best passer of the ball we have. He wants to play for Ireland. And he should have been allowed to show his talents in this upcoming friendly.
A.Reid, Ireland, McCarthy(James) & Delap should all have been called up and played!
And put Naughton in the squad, as a statement of intent.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the light ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
F*ck knows what is going on with this squad. There are a good few players that should be in there. The one glaring issue I have is Shane Long over Noel Hunt. Why? Surely some journo has to bring this to the attention of the masses who perhaps aren't aware that we have two strikers at one club. One banging them in and keeping the other out the side. It might have even been the time to look at Doyle and Noel Hunt leading the line for Ireland. If Keane got injured who do we fall back to? Long? Stokes? Folan? None of whom play regularly for their clubs. I really do not get it; I wish someone would explain it to me!
He's not picking on form, that much is certain.
Nor ability, nor potential, nor any other rational criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Hard to second guess a lot of whats going on Noely.
Lads, when stevie reid got injured, and given he started Gibson against Cyprus, could yis not see Trapper starting with the same two again to build up some sort of partnership? I certainly expect him to start with Whelan and Gibson. if he's going to persist with them, they need game time to find a rappor. He did it with Reid and Whelan, so he probably will do it again. I wouldn't mind seeing him experiment with the full backs - I'd like to see Delaney given more time, we know Killer is first choice and we know he's going to start.
I'm not saying I believe its right, I just feel its what he's going to do.
Also would it be an idea to hold a B International this week. I'm sure an alternative 22 could be picked fairly handy.