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11/02/2009, 11:20 AM
HarpoJoyce

Portlaoise AFC are seriously considering entry to the LOI 'A' Championship.

Article on their previous entry to U21 League 2007
http://www.laois-nationalist.ie/news...trs=cwgbcwkfsn

De Bruns Combined Counties Football League Tables
http://www.ccfl.ie/index.php?option=...=573&Itemid=27

Voted club of the CCFL club of the year for 2006 [after Edit]
http://archives.tcm.ie/laoisnational...story23065.asp
11/02/2009, 12:55 PM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

It occurs in lots of leagues. The Spanish third division is regionalised, as is the Belgian third flight, the German fourth division, etc. The whole point of the system is that teams aren't bound to one division or the other, but that there's a new north/south split every year.

Yeah I know that, I was just using the English league as an example that's close to home. :)
11/02/2009, 12:56 PM
holidaysong

Anyone know the closing date for applying for a place in the 2009 A Championship?
11/02/2009, 3:44 PM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

Portlaoise AFC are seriously considering entry to the LOI 'A' Championship.

Article on their previous entry to U21 League 2007
http://www.laois-nationalist.ie/news...trs=cwgbcwkfsn

De Bruns Combined Counties Football League Tables
http://www.ccfl.ie/index.php?option=...=573&Itemid=27

Voted club of the CCFL club of the year for 2008
http://archives.tcm.ie/laoisnational...story23065.asp

Lets hope they do. The more non-league sides in there will enhance the competition
11/02/2009, 4:04 PM
Mr A

The thing I wonder about is the FAI cup. I believe clubs in the A championship should be coming in at the round before the league clubs enter. Has anyone heard any plans surrounding the cup competitions?
11/02/2009, 4:11 PM
pineapple stu

That's what happened last year alright (bar Tullamore, who didn't enter). The same number of junior and intermediate teams enter the Cup as well, with 2n of them entering the First Round, where n is the number of A League teams entering.
11/02/2009, 4:30 PM
Mr A

They did? I thought that last year sort of came too soon and the A championship clubs could not compete at all.

Anyhoo, they should get a crack at the league cup as well- why not sure?
12/02/2009, 9:39 AM
pineapple stu

Thought they did anyway.

Edit - it was Mervue who pulled out. Tullamore and Salthill both lost in the second round, and there were two first round ties. Link.
12/02/2009, 12:57 PM
culloty82

According to this week's Kerry's Eye, both the Kerry League and Tralee Dynamos will play in the League Cup, with Dynamos already having been included in the FAI Cup since last month. Dynamos will probably struggle to finish above last the first few seasons, the original plan was for the Kerry League to go senior, but when the under-20 league was restricted to clubs, they decided to go it alone.

http://www.kerryseye.com/sports.html
12/02/2009, 3:52 PM
gufc2000

At the moment the 'A' Champlooks like this:

Bohemians A
Cork A
Derry A
Dundalk A
St Pats A
Drogheda A
Galway A
Shamrock Rovers A
Sligo A
Bray A
UCD A

Kildare County/Cobh
Tralee
Salthill
FC Carlow
Tullamore
Castlebar (i think)

Still potential add ons (Kilkenny? Portlaoise?)
Will any First Division sides apart from UCD be entering an A-team?
12/02/2009, 5:24 PM
chimpster

Quote:

Originally Posted by CelticTiger

Agree with you there except i wouldnt have as many as 10 new clubs.
Lets see the new clubs this year are Tralee,Castlebar and Carlow added on to Tullamore,Mervue and Salthill.
In there i would add Ennis,Mullingar and Portlaoise and a ressurected Kilkenny.

Not sure if there'll be a Clare club for some time. The talent is there, but I think Lifford have had some problems since their time in the U21 league, and the Clare League haven't done anything that front yet. Unless Avenue Utd or someone else can get something together, it could be a year or three yet...
12/02/2009, 5:53 PM
pineapple stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by CelticTiger

Im probably getting slashed for this but the long term structure i'd like to see are 3 tiers of 30 clubs with 10 clubs in each,Premier League(Full Time),First Division(Part Time),and Second division(Amatuer Representative working towards Part Time)

You will get slashed for it because you've been told time and again that (a) there isn't enough interest for ten full time clubs and (b) what division you're in shouldn't be the sole deciding factor in being part-time or full-time.

First Division North and South would be my preference. And any sustainable team who wants to be part of the league should be more than welcome; none of this kicking Salthill out nonsense.
12/02/2009, 6:35 PM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by CelticTiger

Agree with you there except i wouldnt have as many as 10 new clubs.
Lets see the new clubs this year are Tralee,Castlebar and Carlow added on to Tullamore,Mervue and Salthill.
In there i would add Ennis,Mullingar and Portlaoise and a ressurected Kilkenny.
I would get rid of mervue and salthill we already have a club from galway so lets just stick with them.

Im probably getting slashed for this but the long term structure i'd like to see are 3 tiers of 30 clubs with 10 clubs in each,Premier League(Full Time),First Division(Part Time),and Second division(Amatuer Representative working towards Part Time)

I think the A teams of premier clubs should be in a seperate league,a reserve league and not playing with non league teams.

I consider this a little harsh. Its not as if teams are queing up to enter the A-League. Just throwing them out cos there is already a team from Galway.
I realise that 3 Galway clubs are not viable but they can act as feeder clubs and help give younger and junior players some LOI experience.
Unless you've ready made replacements I would advise you not to lambast Galway Junior clubs
12/02/2009, 7:03 PM
hoop4life

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

Castlebar (i think)

castlebar celtic definetley in it next year. official statement on this weeks connaught telegraph and also on celtic official website www.castlebarceltic.com
12/02/2009, 7:07 PM
gufc2000

I see that the 2009 A Championship will be divided into Northern and Southern Groups.
12/02/2009, 7:08 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

Will any First Division sides apart from UCD be entering an A-team?

Where did you hear this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

I see that the 2009 A Championship will be divided into Northern and Southern Groups.

As it was last year.
12/02/2009, 7:14 PM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Where did you hear this?

As it was last year.

It was on the UCD forum

I don't remember that. e.g. Mervue and Galway were in opposite groups.
Surely if it was regionalised they would be in the sane group
12/02/2009, 7:17 PM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

It was on the UCD forum

I don't remember that. e.g. Mervue and Galway were in opposite groups.
Surely if it was regionalised they would be in the sane group

Mervue and Salthill were in the Northern group with Galway in the Southern one. With Galway to Dublin being the half way line, clubs in Dublin were also split between the two groups.
12/02/2009, 7:34 PM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by holidaysong

Mervue and Salthill were in the Northern group with Galway in the Southern one. With Galway to Dublin being the half way line, clubs in Dublin were also split between the two groups.

O right, i didn't realise that
12/02/2009, 7:40 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

It was on the UCD forum

Do you have a link because I never saw anything saying that and just had a quick check there too.
12/02/2009, 8:03 PM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Do you have a link because I never saw anything saying that and just had a quick check there too.

Sorry not on the UCD forum, its in this thread on page 2. I knew I had came across it somewhere but I just couldn't remember where. Anyways are ye not entering now or whats the story?
13/02/2009, 2:11 PM
pineapple stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Do you have a link because I never saw anything saying that and just had a quick check there too.

I'm 99% sure we are. Any post would probably have come from me. We're reigning champions and treat the underage stuff probably more seriously than any other club in the league.
13/02/2009, 2:39 PM
HarpoJoyce

Quote:

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I'm 99% sure we are. Any post would probably have come from me. We're reigning champions and treat the underage stuff probably more seriously than any other club in the league.

Do you supply UCD's underage players with Carlsberg?
13/02/2009, 2:45 PM
pineapple stu

No. We're not allowed advertise beer to youngsters any more.
13/02/2009, 3:39 PM
sadloserkid

Would be surprised to see Kilkenny on board in the short-term. Think they were burned more badly than is let on by their exit last around and will concentrate on the underage team for a while yet. That was very much the vibe from their camp last year.

Also why would the two smaller Galway teams be shown the door? Ludicrous statement for anybody to make. There's hardly a list of clubs clamouring to take part in the A League as is.

Celtictiger I appreciate that you're coming from a basically good place but you have to realise that there are criteria other than population to be factored in when making up these fantastical new league structures?
14/02/2009, 9:38 AM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by CelticTiger

Alright sadloser at least you didnt rip on me thanks, people learn from mistakes!
Anyway ive done a bit of thinking and ive decided to go with a 10 team premier league,12 teams division north and south,1 promotion spot for each league,my selection of teams would be the same as chimpster on page 4.
i reckon this way is sustainable,thoughts?
Though i do worry for that potential geography imbalance.

The 7 new clubs i would bring through to go with the current 27 (22+tralee,mervue,salthill,tullamore and carlow)
Castlebar,Clonmel,Mullingar,Kilkenny,Fanad,Portlao ise,and Carrick United.

Seem fair? i put carrick in because they are from munster which i reckon needs more clubs

Ya a regionalised First Division is the only way forward. The current graveyard that it is has just descended into meaningless games for the last two rounds for the bottom 3 or 4 clubs. However I would look into the possibility of having 12 teams in the Premier as 10 just seems too few
14/02/2009, 6:56 PM
WexCar

Quote:

Originally Posted by CelticTiger

12 teams division north and south,1 promotion spot for each league,

instead of 1 automatic promotion spot for each league how about a play off system, maybe the top 3 in each division play off, those who finish top get a bye to the P/O final with 2nd & 3rd placed teams in semi-final. this system would help the better teams get promoted in the case of 1 league being stronger than the other.
14/02/2009, 10:27 PM
WexCar

no, have two finals so two teams get promoted

2nd north v 3rd south -- winner plays 1st north -- winner promoted

3rd north v 2nd south -- winner plays 1st south -- winner promoted
15/02/2009, 12:11 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

Sorry not on the UCD forum, its in this thread on page 2. I knew I had came across it somewhere but I just couldn't remember where. Anyways are ye not entering now or whats the story?

That post is nothing but an assumption. If we get enough players I'd say we will enter but we don't have enough for a senior team at the moment, let alone a reserve team as well.
15/02/2009, 12:54 PM
HarpoJoyce

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

That post is nothing but an assumption. If we get enough players I'd say we will enter but we don't have enough for a senior team at the moment, let alone a reserve team as well.

That's how I see UCD's situation at the moment aswell
15/02/2009, 4:03 PM
pineapple stu

It is an assumption, yes. But we had 24 players the first night of training, and are looking for more. It's the club's stated intention to have an A Team next year, and I'd be looking for reasons why we won't have one rather than why we will have one.
16/02/2009, 11:19 AM
ShnaeGuevara715

I hate to indulge in this "fantasy league" crap but; the league of ireland has come under FAI control. Is there any progress in the provincial leagues coming under the league pyramid? Or would that just be absurd?
16/02/2009, 3:09 PM
pineapple stu

It can't realistically happen while the leagues have different seasons.
16/02/2009, 4:41 PM
hoop4life

fixtures

anyone have any idea when fixtures are coming out for this season?
16/02/2009, 11:05 PM
TheBoss

You will have to wait till May at least for those fixtures.
17/02/2009, 11:49 AM
hoop4life

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBoss

You will have to wait till May at least for those fixtures.

is it not starting in april?
17/02/2009, 12:29 PM
gufc2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoop4life

is it not starting in april?

Ya its starting in April
17/02/2009, 1:13 PM
TheBoss

The Shield starts in April and the League will be late May/early June.
22/02/2009, 11:11 AM
gufc2000

Is Gavin Dykes still manager of Castlebar Celtic?
22/02/2009, 11:38 AM
hoop4life

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

Is Gavin Dykes still manager of Castlebar Celtic?

no, he left last june.
declan kilkelly (he managed the celtic u18s that won the fai youth cup in 2007) is now manager.

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