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How hasn't the obvious choice of Stacy Keibler been picked??
Any thought's on best womens feud? I could open a new thread for that if necessary :confused: The one that pops into my mind is Ivory against Moolah :D but that probably shouldn't be considered. Mickie James against Trish Stratus was also memorable. Going back further there are plenty of feuds involving Sable, Sunny, Luna etc
Aye she's a stunner alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Trish is definitely the fittest.
No-one comes close.
Best. Legs. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
All you pesky kids are prob too young to remember the famous Hogan v Andre the Giant saga in the 1980's - classic stuff
Surely the best feud.
The other one I really liked was Demolition v Powers of Pain - especially when the mercurial Mr Fuji switched sides from Dem to PoP half way through. I was a strict demolition man - PoP wore too much flashy stuff for my liking
We should also have a pool on the hottest wrestling skirt
Agree totally with all of this, loved Demolition and the Hart Foundation back in the day, their feud was quality as well now that I think of it. Anyone remember the Tito Santana/Rick Martel feud after Lightning Strike broke up? As good as HBK vs Jannetty after the Rockers split on the barber shop. We'll need a NSFW (not suitable for work)in the thread title if people want to nominate their diva of choice by adding a picture and we can decide amongst ourselves who was the fittest. I don't think the Dodge's of this world could handle their being 2 wrestling threads :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Naughty Sexy Federation Wrestlers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
What about Torrie Wilson???............absolutely savage!
Used to watch WWF wrestling as lot in late eighties to mid nineties, and have to mention the original diva Sunny
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That whole incident from survivor series is in a documentary called "Beyond The Mat",its an excellent doc.Bret punched vince but said "HE RAN INTO MY FIST":D.
Best Fued for me was The Hart Foundation vs Demolition and The Rockers back in the classic days.I voted for Rock Austin as best Fued but only coz both were incredible showmen but they were brutal wrestlers,Austin epescially.
Beyond the mat was more than just the montreal screwjob, it was about the personal lives of wrestlers, what they give up for their job, injuries, and the politics that goes on behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by eamo1
If you want something that deals almost directly with the screwjob, watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling With Shadows - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitman_...g_with_Shadows - a documentary crew followed Bret for a year, right up until the match in Montreal, and the immediate aftermath.
I'd recommend Bret Hart's biography to all the wrestling fans on the site. It's a fantastic read that really gives an insight into life on the road in the WWF. It's one of those brutally honest biography's too, so parts are hard to take for those of us who worshipped the man in the ring but it's as good, if not better, than Mich Foley's first book
Bret Hart - Shawn Michaels for me. For having more of a basis in reality than the others. :)
Steamboat/Flair never hit a WWf/E ring.
And as for divas it has to be Sunny even if she did precede the scene somewhat...
Any fued with Hogan is dirt in my eyes because the man couldn't wrestle and made a career out of pandering to morons. Warrior/Savage was pretty good thinking about it. Ditto, albeit further down the prestige ladder, Savage/Crush. Bret Vs. Owen too. Actually probably by favourite ever was the Mr.Perfect/Flair fued.
On an aside Ric Flair has been a walking shambles for at least a decade now.
And other good wrestling books include Edge's and Jericho's efforts.
PS) Jebus, do I still have one of your Foley books? :o
PPS) Anybody read any of Foley's novels? 'Tietam Brown' is outstanding in my less than humble opinion.
Good to hear about the Hart book - must keep an eye out for it. I enjoyed the first Foley autobiog, not so happy with the second, still reading the third as an occasional thing. Heard Tietam Brown was great, but haven't heard baout the other one, can't recall its name. Anyone read it?
I'm still astounded that I was the only one to vote for it:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Scooter or Skeeter or something no? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
And if I had my vote back I'd change but there ya go. I'm sure plenty of people said that after the last general election too! :)
If you have one of the Foley books SLK keep it sure, I'll pick it up in paperback if I neEd it again. Foley's 3rd book is better than the 2nd in my opinion, liked the idea of following a wrestling concept from start to finish, especially as I quote enjoyed the Foley-Edge feud and then partnership. Haven't read any of his fiction but I hear good thingS
As for the Warriors feuds, I absolutely loved the feuds with Savage and Rude, top notch heels getting the best out of a super over face is what wrestling should be about (take note Vince McMahon), but Hart vs Austin was my pick, purely because it combined the fiction of the feud with an element of reality (standard faces like Hart getting less cheers than your average heel like Austin), plus their match at WM13 is probably the best I've seen at the 'Grandaddy Of Them All'.
On the point about Flair-Steamboat (and also Sting - Hogan), I realised about a week ago that I had calleD the poll the best WWF/WWE feud and then included WCW matches, my bad :) But Flair has been a shadow of himself for 10 years now alright. His last great run in WCW was mismanaged by Bischoff and never materialised and he's been a walking joke in the WWE since then. Shame because the guy really had it all back in the day.
The WWE has been terrible for about 5 years now (at least) anyway. They haven't been able to replace the likes of Rock and Austin, don't have the supporting main eventers like Taker, Mankind, Angle and Triple H anymore, and don't even have the up and coming stars like they had in the Hardyz, Edge and Christian. When you're main guys are all well past their prime (Triple H, Taker, HBK), not that good (Cena, Batista), or just worthless (JBL) then the product is in trouble. Thank God for Jericho's heel turn is all I can say, but the WWE's main problem (and what will eventually bring the company down) is that they have wiped out the territories that gave their stars from Jericho, Bret and Owen, HBK, Perfect, DiBiase and Jake Roberts their own identity and style. They are grooming all their superstars to be clones of each other, and it's just plain boring
Totally agree with you on the current state of the WWE but I think part of the problem is that they've persevered with washed-up, past it talent at the expense of some of the legitimate up and comers. The likes of Flair, Michaels and The Undertaker should have been put out to pasture years ago to make way for the likes of Edge, Jericho and even Orton. As it is the perception is that the newer crop, who should be established at the top end of the card by now, just don't quite have what it takes to carry the federation as they were denied a gradual evolution to the pinnacle by the refusal of the established names to move out of the way.
The exception, as you note, is the over-rated Cena. I don't mind Batista, in fact I'd go as far as to say that I like the guy. But in the same way that I liked Crush or The British Bulldog or Tatanka, as a mid to upper mid card contender worth the odd push or intercontinental run but not a top end talent.
Similarly I thought that Bradshaw as plain old Bradshaw was a monster heel (or anti-hero I guess) but this JBL nonsense has drained away at his credibility leaving him with nowhere to go really. Turning a heel into a whiny coward can work in the short-term but ultimately almost always sets a character back in terms of the bigger picture.
And I think we're due a few WWE/F threads:
Most under-rated wrestler: Carlitos anybody? Essa Rios if he could have spoken English even a little? Rhyno? Ludwig Borga? Adam Bomb? And obviously Raven.
Worst gimmic: Anybody from mid 90s WWF lower card really let's just give The Goon, Nailz, Duke 'The Dumpster' Grosse, Isaac Yankem and the Godwins as a sampler. I.R.S. deserves a mention too. A damn good wrestler and well able to work the mic, he did a lot with one of the worst characters ever foisted upon somebody who wasn't a complete bum to begin with.
Most over-rated wrestler: Leaving aside the obvious Hogan/Andre type sluggers I've always thought The Rock was a remedial in-ring talent and on the mic was just a verbal big mac, the lowest common denominator every single time...
Best theme song: Warrior obviously, Raven again, Mr.Perfect's was always kinda cool.
Worst indictment of everything to do with wrestling and wrestling fans ever: The Bushwhackers...
Etc etc.
Glen Jacobs/Kane. I always thought Glen Jacobs deserved a lot more than he got in the schizo-retard creature that was Kane (even if Isaac Yankem was terrible) but I was still a fan. I think he's a great wrestler, just a pity he never got a big break.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
On the current WWE situation, I think the main problem is that there's no more competition with WCW and ECW gone. There's no other major companies where WWE can poach the best and send their rejects. They've slipped into a comfort zone and the company's stagnating. Combined with Vince McMahon's giant ego and the lack of genuine stars, it's rotting.
Most under-rated wrestler: Christian. The guy was, and is, dynamite on the mic, and he's a solid, if not great wrestler. In this day and age he should have beaten Cena for the world title, especially as the fans in 2005 were crying out for him to win the feud
Worst gimmic: Doink the Clown. It started well, but turning him face was a disaster, still it took a lot of talent to pull off a terrible gimmick
Most over-rated wrestler: Eddie Guerrero. Dying seems to have made people believe that he was one of the greats, he wasn't and he was a terrible WWE Champion
Best theme song: Ric Flair, all the way
Worst indictment of everything to do with wrestling and wrestling fans ever: John Cena when he was in homophobic rapper mode