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I understand what he's sayng. I'm just stating that it is irrelevant - as the windows available to each individual club don't change. Hence why it's a red herring - yet it still gets trotted out like it's something huge to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
And if anything, the Eur slots would be more more likely to increase over time under an AIL than under the two individual leagues - thereby putting each individual club actually in a better position vis-a-vis Euro slots.
Steve, your maths have been disproven as bull**** on numerous occasions. European places are an issue in this league. Can you drop that and move on?
Simply because they have low crowds?Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
They are the finest example of a well-run club. They have consistently performed well on a small budget. God forgive them for not wanting to break the bank and jeopardise their club's future. Smart, sensible finance management has led them as far as they can go. They should be respected, not despised.
Regardless if you think being one of the only clubs not to even bother with a promotions officer, playing home games at a rugby training pitch and printing out programmes on an inkjet with pathetic fillers like soduku, the azerbaijani league table and a premiership-centred quiz copied out from an old issue of Shoot! is running a club well, we're not talking about now. We're talking about our super-de-dooper crowd pleasing super-league. Reconstituting the leagues into one will be based on potential, not positions. UCD have nothing to offer anyone in terms of match-day experience, beyond charging €5 for a burger because there aren't enough people there to break even at a reasonable price.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Dear God, there is so much there that shows you haven't a balls notion what you're on about. Seriously, I'd shut up if I were you. You're an embarrassment to the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
That's true, but don't go throwing out any more red herrings now :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
I'd love to know how many years you think it will take for an AIL to improve in standard for it to overtake Greece, Belgium or Scotland for their 2 place European Cup spot. At the moment we are ranked in 34th position, behind the likes of Bosnia and Liechtenstein, and have the likes of Sweden and Finland to contend with before we can catch Israel or Switzerland for that one extra Uefa cup spot, nevermind to say the European Cup spot. As Stu said* the loss of European positions is big minus against the formation of this league.
Link for the co-efficient table up until 2007, it has us ranked 35th but I believe we have gone ahead of mighty Moldova in the table
* Funny how we tend to agree in most threads we've posted in bar the Lisbon Treaty. I've found quite and divide among myself and my friends (really is 50/50) for and aginst that blasted thing. This is of course off topic nonsense and the last I'll say on the matter in this thread :)
*bulls notion. If you can't get that right... go on, point out where I'm wrong. Do I need to scan up that fantastic feature on the Bulgarian second division?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It's because you're a mod now. Try voting in the Lisbon Treaty again (I'll give it a year or so). You'll find you'll vote No. Joined us...Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
If you want; most people with an interest in general football have found it an interesting column. Fortunately, I don't need to consider your opinion because you've long since shown yourself a completel twit. If you want to highlight a particular problem with it, fire away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
On your other tripe, we have a CPO, if Sudoku is a "pathetic page filler", then you've probably got half the western world not thinking you're an idiot (do I need to point out the quiz question in your programme which asked for the utterly pointless link between Cork City and the 1988 Eurovision? And this after I'd been sold a programme for a Kilkenny game last year first, and then an old UCD game - professional stuff), and chipper vans at closed shop events like sports games tend to charge more. Things cost more money up in Dublin partly because we earn more than you and I challenge you to find that issue of Shoot (RIP) that you're talking about.
Honestly, not trying to gang up, but I quite like fanzines that have random features like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Actually, it's the programme. ;)
But I agree. I'd rather read something like that than another interview where a player says how happy he is to be at a club.
And to save GZ the bother of finding a scanner, here's the column -
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The above is the Bulgarian second division where Sliven, a year after being relegated from this very division, have won it. How?
In 2005/06, Koneliano were promoted to the top flight. Their owner, who also owned top flight Chernomorets Burgas, changed Koneliano’s name to Chernomorets Burgas (Sofia) (imagine a team called UCD Cork) and said they’d play in the national stadium. They were docked three points in their first game for not having five youth players in the squad and picked up only one draw all season to end on -2. They then moved to Burgas, changed their name to Chernomorets Burgas Bulgaria (Burgas), were denied a second flight licence and went down to the third flight, which meant Sliven kept their place in the second division. CBB never took up their third division spot after failing to sign any players.
In a similar story, there are now two Velbazhd Kyustendils, UCD’s 2000 InterToto opponents. Our ones are still in the third flight after giving up their top flight status, while second division Velbazhd Slokoshtitsa moved to neighbouring Kyustendil and took on the same name.
20 top flight games were played behind closed doors because of crowd trouble, while Belasitsa were awarded a win over Marek as one of Marek’s players had invalid medical papers. Third division Albena 97 were deducted 12 points for no-shows of their youth teams in four matches, while Septemvri (Sofia) walked off during their 23rd match and had 3-0 defeats awarded against them for the remainder of the season.
The UCD programme is the most amateurish effort I've ever seen from a League of Ireland club. It really is a joke.
Solid argument there. I've seen plenty worse. They just have colours and pictures for the less intelligent among us to gape over in amazement and wonder.
Nonesense Stu. You've proven nothing re this issue, hence why the fish is still frying.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Increasing the level of competition for Euro slots is a different issue from reducing the number of slots available to any one indviual team. An AIL would do the former - but so would lots of other changes to each league individually (e.g. changing the size of he top division). But an AIL would not reduce the number of Euro slots available to each individual club - it would still be one from a maximum of four.
No, your inability to do maths has led you to not accept you're wrong. Big difference. I've used probability theory, common sense and shooting people to show you you're wrong, but if you want to continue believing you're right, there's nothing we can do. Just like people can believe the earth is flat or the sun goes around the earth, and hold onto that belief while denying all evidence to the contrary.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Does an AIL mean there HAVE to be fewer European places? CONCACAF found a way to give the USA and Canada separate CONCACAF Champions League places despite the MLS being the top flight for both.
The AIL might resurface in a few years but I think we will see the FAI leading it.
I think we are also getting closer to single division with regionalised clubs (aka franchises). Most people may not like that but smaller first division clubs will increasingly find it difficult to survive alongside the money of the top sides. We don't have the population & support current number of clubs & I predict will see some going to junior football. I suspect this may be unofficial FAI policy too.
At the moment between the Republic and Northern Ireland there is a total of 8 European slots available (2 CL, 4 Uefa and 2 Intertoto), if an AIL happened there would in most probability be 4 (1 CL, 2 Uefa and 1 Intertoto), best we could hope for would be an extra Intertoto off Uefa. Since this league is supposed to be about pushing the standard here up and creating a better product we are talking about what the league has to offer as an attraction, I know what you're trying to point out, but, well it's just a ridiculous argument to be honest, junior infant maths shows we'll be worse offQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Simple answer is yes. If they didn't the AIL would have a total of 8 European places on offer, so if it were a ten man league that would mean you would only have to avoid relegation to get into Europe. Not to mention that that would put us on par with the Big 3 (England, Spain and Italy) in terms of places allocated, and would push us ahead of Russia, Romania and Portugal (to name but a few)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kivlehan
InterToto's gone from this year; the spot goes to the UEFA. But other than that, you're spot on.
You have someone nominated as a "CPO". You are not participating in the FAI's allocation and half-and-half funding of an actually qualified, professional CPO, because really, whats the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Not quite sure how to navigate around your negatives there but I'll just ask do you really think a mindless number arranging game has any relevance to UCD v Cork City other than taking up nine lines? I find it hilarious you're calling our award winning 50 page glossy programme (now with free pull out posters, limited stock!) unprofessional because the young one behind the counter picked up a back issue (yes, we have those, too!) instead of a current one, as if this in some way makes up for yours looking like a 6th class 'my summer holidays' project.Quote:
if Sudoku is a "pathetic page filler", then you've probably got half the western world not thinking you're an idiot
Oh right. 'Twas my first time in the big smoke, the ould John Deere can't really handle all those roundybouts.Quote:
and chipper vans at closed shop events like sports games tend to charge more. Things cost more money up in Dublin partly because we earn more than you
Sorry, I didn't keep mine. You should put them up on ebay, they'll be going for a bit at the moment. Whoops! I mean whoever did the programme should.Quote:
I challenge you to find that issue of Shoot (RIP) that you're talking about.