Euro 2012 Scotland Ireland?

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

See there is a middle ground. Your first point is right your second point does not. Many countries get awarded tournaments when their stadiums are not finished etc. I agree its too late for planning etc but if a stadium is under construction and is due to be finished 2 years before the tournament, UEFA would be totally happy with that. LR would be viable. Croke Park is another issue.

The only way Ireland could step in with Scotland is to only provide 2 stadiums, 1 being LR and the other being Croke Park, but there would have to be prior agreement with the GAA.

However, Spain and Italy are ahead of us on this so one of those will get it, unless politics really comes into it and Taylor manges to get a vote in favour of Scotland.

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Spain and Italy are ahead of us, but UEFA seem to be favouring the smaller nations and yes if the tournament is expanded, there is not going to be another chance of it happening.

Also due to the timescale your large stadiums would need to be complete,or construction well underway.

UEFA visited Croke Park and were hugely impressed and would be prepared to host a champions league final if it was put forward, so it would be a case of over to you GAA.

In fairness to the GAA they have been very good since opening the stadium and have allowed friendly matches, not that they are doing it for the money.

76,000 seats @ E250 per seat equals €19m gate receipts for a Euro 2012 final plus other revenues, 20% of that may just be very tempting

and the reason id love to see it here is apart from not having to qualify, i just love a party:D

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

In fairness to the GAA they have been very good since opening the stadium and have allowed friendly matches, not that they are doing it for the money.

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Brilliant post.

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Originally Posted by boovidge

I don't see why hosting a football tournament would convince the Scottish public that breaking up the UK would be the best route to go down. Although there was a surge in Scottish nationalism after the release of Braveheart so you might be right! ;)

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Yes if Braveheart can have that effect, think of what hosting a Championships would do for Scotland. Just look at England at Euro 96 and the return of the Georges Cross and away from the Union Jack.

Think about what nationalism is. It feeds into sport but it is also the ability of your country to stand onthe world stage and say we are different and capable and have the ability to host things of a world class nature. All this would feed into an extra sense of nationalism amongst the Scotttish people. I would have thought that this was pretty obvious. Make no doubt about it, Alex Salmond is well aware of this and I know for fact that the SNP will be seriously pushing this.

There are so many things wrong with this.

Scotland won't go near the FAI about looking to co-host after the shambolic bid the last time. If they want to co-host, Wales would be a much more sensible option.

Three years isn't anything close to enough time to build the (minimum) two extra stadia for the tournament from scratch. How long did Lansdowne take?

UEFA won't go near a Scotland-Ireland co-hosting bid after being shown empty fields (that still don't have a stadium on them) on their last visit. Even ignoring that, with the short notice, UEFA will go for a country with all the stadia already in place: Germany, Spain, Italy, France or England. If this bid runs into trouble, they won't be able to take any chances with a replacement bid.

Do you actually believe the GAA would give up the use of Croke Park for basically the entire month of June to promote European football? They played a low profile Championship game there before the Serbia friendly just to ensure that they had the first event of the summer there.

Someone mentioned us part hosting the rugby World Cup as a plus point. We hosted a few games which were basically just the Ireland home games. Ireland had no involvement in the organisation of the tournament.

If we can prove we can handle the Uefa Cup final in the new Lansdowne maybe we can show have learned from the Lansdowne riots.

Four 10,000 seater stadiums would be enough for the U21 Championships which would prove our commitment to Uefa.

We hosted the U-19s a few years ago. Anyone know if UEFA were impressed or not?

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Originally Posted by Schumi

There are so many things wrong with this.

Scotland won't go near the FAI about looking to co-host after the shambolic bid the last time. If they want to co-host, Wales would be a much more sensible option.

Three years isn't anything close to enough time to build the (minimum) two extra stadia for the tournament from scratch. How long did Lansdowne take?

UEFA won't go near a Scotland-Ireland co-hosting bid after being shown empty fields (that still don't have a stadium on them) on their last visit. Even ignoring that, with the short notice, UEFA will go for a country with all the stadia already in place: Germany, Spain, Italy, France or England. If this bid runs into trouble, they won't be able to take any chances with a replacement bid.

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What 2 extra stadium


Hampden

Celtic Park

Ibrox

Murryfield

Pittodrie (22,800 at the moment can easily be renovated to 30,000)


Croke Park

Lansdowne Road


So that leaves one stadium that needs to be renovated and that could be either 1 in Dundee or Edinburgh would all need about 10,000 extra to their capcity.

As I said earlier I don't think it will go to Scotland or Ireland but some of the reasons above or bogus and not factually correct.

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Originally Posted by pete

Do you actually believe the GAA would give up the use of Croke Park for basically the entire month of June to promote European football? They played a low profile Championship game there before the Serbia friendly just to ensure that they had the first event of the summer there.

Someone mentioned us part hosting the rugby World Cup as a plus point. We hosted a few games which were basically just the Ireland home games. Ireland had no involvement in the organisation of the tournament.

If we can prove we can handle the Uefa Cup final in the new Lansdowne maybe we can show have learned from the Lansdowne riots.

Four 10,000 seater stadiums would be enough for the U21 Championships which would prove our commitment to Uefa.

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Pete we have had one incident in how many years.

How many riots have happened in Poland, Italy, England, Holland, Germany, Slovakia and many many other places.

Your post makes sense but this idea that they would deem Ireland incapable of policing a match between two international teams does not stand up to scrutiny. Other countires have had way more hooligan incidents over the last 30 years or whatever time frame you would like to put on it.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Your post makes sense but this idea that they would deem Ireland incapable of policing a match between two international teams does not stand up to scrutiny. Other countires have had way more hooligan incidents over the last 30 years or whatever time frame you would like to put on it.

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We have track record in handling large crowds with potential for trouble. We have never hosted a match between 2 visiting teams.

Compare us to Poland who were awarded the tournament and see how we stand up.

Could people stop deluding themselves, please. I mean, seriously, we haven't even got a stadium worthy of the name to hold our domestic cup final in and people want to go running off to UEFA to offer them more pie in the sky nonsense. What is it with this country ? All fur coat and no knickers, as the old saying goes.

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Originally Posted by TonyD

All fur coat and no knickers, as the old saying goes.

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Yup, just there for the big events and glory days.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

What 2 extra stadium
Hampden
Celtic Park
Ibrox
Murryfield
Pittodrie (22,800 at the moment can easily be renovated to 30,000)
Croke Park
Lansdowne Road

So that leaves one stadium that needs to be renovated and that could be either 1 in Dundee or Edinburgh would all need about 10,000 extra to their capcity.

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It has been repeatedly stated that UEFA don't want three stadia in the same city so only two of Hampden, Parkhead and Ibrox can be used.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

We hosted the U-19s a few years ago. Anyone know if UEFA were impressed or not?

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U16s. And there's a massive difference

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Originally Posted by Schumi

It has been repeatedly stated that UEFA don't want three stadia in the same city so only two of Hampden, Parkhead and Ibrox can be used.

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I have been told no to something by women and with a bit of persuasion you can end up getting what you want. So one should never take no for an answer.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I have been told no to something by women and with a bit of persuasion you can end up getting what you want. So one should never take no for an answer.

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We're not exactly in a strong bargaining position in the first place though. In an emergency situation, a big country who could host it without building anything new would be miles ahead of us.

Either was I. But yeah as I have said before I don't think we will be given it. THat is not to say that it could not happen.

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Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

That's 3 cities. Not a chance in hell without at least 3 or 4 more.



How is it irrelevant? It's very relevant.



One of the first stipulations from UEFA will be that no other events will take place in any of the grounds for the duration of the torunament and for probably 2 or 3 weeks beforehand.

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While I'm not saying that it will go ahead or should go ahead, the idea of Croker not being used by the GAA during June isn't too unrealistic. After this summer it is unlikely that anything other than Leinster Finals will be held in Croker. The provincial grounds are in fine fettle.

Threads like this make me laugh.

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Originally Posted by pete

We have track record in handling large crowds with potential for trouble. We have never hosted a match between 2 visiting teams.

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And in fairness how many matches have Poland or Ukraine held between 2 visiting teams