Dolan got what he deserved last night

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Originally posted by razor
I think the whole reference to a fickle Cork crowd you speak of is not relevant here.

The people who post here are for the most part the hardcore who have been supporting City home and away for many years.

Myself personally am just sick to my stomach of being runners up and being satisfied with an Inter Toto spot etc etc.

I want what every fan should want for their club and that is success.

And if you've a problem with that then tough

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indeed
the second place finish behind the fulltime dubs, possibly beatiing 1 of them into the 2bob cup and shure hopefully we'll have cup run, retain the munster senior cup. and shure havent we only got young players... etc etc. and thats a good season mentality is a load of tosh and something gunther was always happy to hide behind.

i can only hope that dolan doesnt go down this road, but i think he wont
its gona take time for him to build the right team on and off the pitch.
hopefully he'll get it right

It takes time lads.
And it's not fair blaming Dolan for the inept rubbish that we've been witness to for the last few years. The blame there lies with the like of Liam Murphy, Dave Barry, Noel O'Mahoney x2, Terry Dunne, Plonk etc.

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Originally posted by razor
Myself personally am just sick to my stomach of being runners up and being satisfied with an Inter Toto spot etc etc.

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Fair point as well. I just think that people don't realise what dolan has in front of him: not only does he have to mould his own side and start challenging, he has to tidy up the mess gunther and the previous board left, build a rapport with fans, and try to professionalise the club. If he was to get that done in a year, it would be some going

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Originally posted by Éanna
he has to tidy up the mess gunther and the previous board left, build a rapport with fans, and try to professionalise the club.

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to be fair, apart from reynolds leaving, Gunther had left excellent groundwork for Dolan to build on, whatever about the man's ability to motivate the team and change tactics mid game, he did have an eye for bringing in talent.

as to the board, i think that's more lennox's department, the club had already begun to make strides in that department last season, and now there is a team about the club to get it heading in the right direction, including the move towards being fully professional. although Pat is an important link in that particular chain.

while it's good to have a rapport with fans, i'd sooner have a winning manager i hate, than a losing one i love.

but i do think that we can have the best of both in Dolan and i agree that he has only begun and that we should be more patient with him

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Originally posted by tiktok
i'm no longer happy to be an also ran. i'm sick of winning nothing.


but i do think that we can have the best of both in Dolan and i agree that he has only begun and that we should be more patient with him

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Tiktok, you're no longer happy to be an also ran, but you're happy to give Dolan time. Get back on the schizo medication. Or else cut back on the Miller.

Anyway, we still haven't sorted out our midfield. With our captain now out for the rest of the season, we're even weaker than before. I think we'll do well to grab a european place this year and that's good enough for now.

We've made some great progress off the pitch, which I don't care about really. It's nice, but .......

On the pitch, we've got much fitter. we're getting results away from home. Doyle is a great addition. Our defence is solid. Couple of added midfield players and we can think about mounting a serious challenge. Maybe Packer is one of those new midfield players we need. We'll see in time.

I expect to be challenging for the league next year. Dolan deserves that long at least. Until then, be patient.
It's unfair to expect a manager to win the league in his first season.

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Originally posted by liamon
We've made some great progress off the pitch, which I don't care about really.

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That's a very stupid statement to make. It is that off the pitch progress which will ensure consistant success in the future. For now, I would consider the progress we make off the pitch just as important as the progress we make on the pitch.

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Originally posted by Colm
It is that off the pitch progress which will ensure consistant success in the future. For now, I would consider the progress we make off the pitch just as important as the progress we make on the pitch.

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This season I'd consider it even more important

OK. I didn't explain myself well. Off the pitch stuff is important.
But I wouldn't care what a shambles that side of the club is in, if we could manage to win stuff on the pitch.

Obviously, in reality you need the two sides of the club running well to have a chance of success.

My point, obviously not well made, is that Dolan is doing well. Aside from the great off the pitch stuff, he's making progress on the pitch as well.

Give him time and lay off the demands to win everything in sight this year.

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Originally posted by tiktok
to be fair, apart from reynolds leaving, Gunther had left excellent groundwork for Dolan to build on

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Don't agree. You can have the best players in the world but if they're disillusioned and lack motivation they won't be much good. The athmosphere in the dressing room can't have been great, he had that to repair as well.

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Originally posted by liamon
But I wouldn't care what a shambles that side of the club is in, if we could manage to win stuff on the pitch.

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Like Cork Hibs and Cork Celtic? Like City nearly did? There's fu*k all point winning the league if you go bust a year later!

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Originally posted by liamon
Tiktok, you're no longer happy to be an also ran, but you're happy to give Dolan time. Get back on the schizo medication. Or else cut back on the Miller.

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is there an alternative? i'll be angry about being an also ran a lot longer if some people get their way and we have to start again with another new manager.

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Originally posted by Éanna
You can have the best players in the world but if they're disillusioned and lack motivation they won't be much good. The athmosphere in the dressing room can't have been great, he had that to repair as well.

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if you have the players there to start with it's still groundwork to build on regardless of whether they have smiles or scowls.

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Originally posted by Éanna


Like Cork Hibs and Cork Celtic? Like City nearly did? There's fu*k all point winning the league if you go bust a year later!

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Eanna, read the rest of the post, rather than just pickin out 2 lines.

Last year, the club wasn't great off the pitch, but we were still not looking like going bust. THat's the level of off the field inefficiency I could tolerate, as long as we were winning things. Obviously, we're all happy that the club is getting organised on a business level. However, that shouldn't be Pat's focus.

Also, have to agree with tiktok, Gunther brought in some fantastic players. He couldn't make them play, but the raw talent was there for Pat to work with.

Can anyone who was at the match explain how K Murray lasted so long. He was asleep. He won the odd header - but so he should, he's a centre half.

As the game progressed the midfielders must have been getting dizzy with all the changes Dolan was making.
We completely lost shape.


I know Devine's f**k up was the reason we lost but Dolan will never learn?:mad:

Devine's **** up was NOT the reason we lost!! Did you see the game at ALL?? We were ****e all over the pitch... shels were head and shoulders above us the whole game... for the devine error, where was the defence for the initial shot? And the backpass **** up was WORSE than devines **** up!!

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Originally posted by SSS
I take no pleasure in forming this view, but City lost to a poor (Shels) last night and I don't particularly blame the players.
City made (Shels) look good in the second half.

The key problem remains midfield, which is no surprise. But can anyone really claim that Dolan is using the best midfielders he has at his disposal?

As for K Murray in centre mid - he's lost there.
But I guess they have height so Dolan likes them.

As long as Dolan insists on playing two defenders in midfield, City will suffer on the pitch. Sometimes the performances of others (notably, Flynn, George and Colin T last night) will compensate, but not last night.

As for taking Hoggie off and bringing Carey in - talk about a waste. He broke up the back four and left the invisible midfield on the pitch.

Dolan will use smokescreen to cover up a disasterous second half, but lets get to the real questions - like did Dolan take lessons in substitutions from Liam Murphy!

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you know what's Hilarious, with a tiny amount of editing SSS's original post on the Waterford game can be applied to the game tonight someone was talking about young players learning from their mistakes, who's going to teach them that if the managment doesn't learn from theirs.:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Jack_2001
Devine's **** up was NOT the reason we lost!! Did you see the game at ALL?? We were ****e all over the pitch... shels were head and shoulders above us the whole game... for the devine error, where was the defence for the initial shot? And the backpass **** up was WORSE than devines **** up!!

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For alot of the game we were on top, there midfield and there goalkeeper played very well....that was about it.