New Irish Home Shirt

Ya, it is a pity. Mind you I was in Andorra once and when I asked the lad at the local sports store for an Andorra shirt I could buy, he laughed at me. They sold France, Spain, Italy, Barcelona even Manc Scum Shirt. But not their own... Wonder do they have a thread??? :) :)

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Originally Posted by Pike B

Ya, it is a pity. Mind you I was in Andorra once and when I asked the lad at the local sports store for an Andorra shirt I could buy, he laughed at me. They sold France, Spain, Italy, Barcelona even Manc Scum Shirt. But not their own... Wonder do they have a thread??? :) :)

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Do Andorrans think of themselves as Andorran? Is there a national identity there, or do they pretty much accept themselves as a glorified tax haven? They're basically Catalan, if memory serves, though the country is ancient.

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Originally Posted by soccerc

That is simply not true. I bought the adidas shirt with Opel and the FAI crest on it in Penney's of all places for a tenner in the spring of 1987.

Wore it to both the Belgium and Brazil games a few weeks later

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and the oneills Ireland shirts of the early 80s were available

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Originally Posted by John83

Do Andorrans think of themselves as Andorran? Is there a national identity there, or do they pretty much accept themselves as a glorified tax haven? They're basically Catalan, if memory serves, though the country is ancient.

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Don't know to be honest bud, but it is a beautiful country. Would love a shirt from there. Wouldn't have a feckin sponsor on it either.....

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Originally Posted by John83

Do Andorrans think of themselves as Andorran? Is there a national identity there, or do they pretty much accept themselves as a glorified tax haven? They're basically Catalan, if memory serves, though the country is ancient.

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The answer would be yes, if they are anything like San Marino.

I was there for the Euro qualifier last year and found the local Sammarinese to be fiercely proud of their independence and nationality. No San Marino shirts on sale in the shops though. But our supporters club secretary did manage to get one in a shirt swap at the match.

And no, the San Marino shirt had no sponsor on it.

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Originally Posted by newrynyuk

The answer would be yes, if they are anything like San Marino.

I was there for the Euro qualifier last year and found the local Sammarinese to be fiercely proud of their independence and nationality. No San Marino shirts on sale in the shops though. But our supporters club secretary did manage to get one in a shirt swap at the match.

And no, the San Marino shirt had no sponsor on it.

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They sold them outside the ground at the recent game over there. Very nice shirt

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Originally Posted by newrynyuk

Pike B, you can pretty much take it as a given that every Ireland fan would like to have an Ireland shirt without the sponsor's logo on it.

That's why on the rare occasions when sponsorless shirts are up for sale on eBay, they usually go for big sums. Hey! Maybe the FAI should consider that as well. Another cynical commercial ploy for them to exploit.

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Same could be said when they grey 3rd jersey was released sponsoeless in Lifestyle. They sold out everywhere, and that was for a shirt we wore once and will probably never wear again.

Whatever extra money FAI get off eircom for the sponsor on jersey, I reckon they would make the same amound or more in sales of jerseys withouth sponsorship on them

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Originally Posted by newrynyuk

The answer would be yes, if they are anything like San Marino.

I was there for the Euro qualifier last year and found the local Sammarinese to be fiercely proud of their independence and nationality. No San Marino shirts on sale in the shops though. But our supporters club secretary did manage to get one in a shirt swap at the match.

And no, the San Marino shirt had no sponsor on it.

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Would love a San Marino shirt. They are quality. Remind me of the old Napoli jerseys. Classic..

i got a fake san marino shirt for a fiver when i was at the match last year, still nice even though a fake...

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Originally Posted by Pike B

Don't know to be honest bud, but it is a beautiful country. Would love a shirt from there. Wouldn't have a feckin sponsor on it either.....

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I emailed them there. Got this back:

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Dear Mr. ******
I’m sorry to explain you that the Federació Andorrana de Futbol hasn’t got shop by now, consequently you can’t buy the jersey of the national team of Andorra.
Best regards,
Andrea Vidal
Federació Andorrana de Futbol

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Originally Posted by Pike B

Would love a San Marino shirt. They are quality. Remind me of the old Napoli jerseys. Classic..

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You can buy their jersey online on their official website

http://www.fsgc.sm/sources/template.asp?id=1492

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Same could be said when they grey 3rd jersey was released sponsoeless in Lifestyle. They sold out everywhere, and that was for a shirt we wore once and will probably never wear again.

Whatever extra money FAI get off eircom for the sponsor on jersey, I reckon they would make the same amound or more in sales of jerseys withouth sponsorship on them

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TAking into account the amount Eircom pump into all levels of football including the Eircom league i reckon you would need to be selling a million or more shirts a year for the fai to make more money, and given most people probably buy a shirt every couple of years the annual sales are probably a fraction of that figure.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

TAking into account the amount Eircom pump into all levels of football including the Eircom league i reckon you would need to be selling a million or more shirts a year for the fai to make more money, and given most people probably buy a shirt every couple of years the annual sales are probably a fraction of that figure.

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You mean Eircom's sponsorship of the league and their contributions at all levels of football stands or falls on whether or not they have their logo on the Ireland shirt? That's sad and pathetic if true.

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Originally Posted by newrynyuk

You mean Eircom's sponsorship of the league and their contributions at all levels of football stands or falls on whether or not they have their logo on the Ireland shirt? That's sad and pathetic if true.

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It's called the real world....money talks....no logo on the replica jersy reduces the exposure big time....reduced exposure = less money, what's sad and pathetic about that.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

It's called the real world....money talks....no logo on the replica jersy reduces the exposure big time....reduced exposure = less money, what's sad and pathetic about that.

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So Eircom really would withdraw all levels of support in Irish football if they didn't have their logo on the Ireland shirt?

There's a fine line between sponsorship and selling out. Naming the league after Eircom is sponsorship. Sticking their logo on perimeter advertising, match programmes, interview and press conference backgrounds, even the training gear is sponsorship. Putting their logo on the national team shirt is selling out. As evidenced by the fact that absolutely no other country in the world does it.

You don't think the likes of England would maximise every revenue opportunity like this if they could? They don't because even the "39th game overseas" association recognise it's a step too far.

But not the FAI. You can almost argue they are now hostage to sponsors. Anyone visiting Croke Park or Landsdowne Road in recent years would be forgiven for thinking the full name of the country was "The Republic Of Ireland Sponsored By Eircom."

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Originally Posted by John83

I emailed them there. Got this back:

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Pity that..

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

You can buy their jersey online on their official website

http://www.fsgc.sm/sources/template.asp?id=1492

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Cheers.

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Originally Posted by newrynyuk

So Eircom really would withdraw all levels of support in Irish football if they didn't have their logo on the Ireland shirt?

There's a fine line between sponsorship and selling out. Naming the league after Eircom is sponsorship. Sticking their logo on perimeter advertising, match programmes, interview and press conference backgrounds, even the training gear is sponsorship. Putting their logo on the national team shirt is selling out. As evidenced by the fact that absolutely no other country in the world does it.

You don't think the likes of England would maximise every revenue opportunity like this if they could? They don't because even the "39th game overseas" association recognise it's a step too far.

But not the FAI. You can almost argue they are now hostage to sponsors. Anyone visiting Croke Park or Landsdowne Road in recent years would be forgiven for thinking the full name of the country was "The Republic Of Ireland Sponsored By Eircom."

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Excellent!!! I agree with you on everything there bud.. Get the feckin sponsor off the feckin jersey please... To put it in layman's terms.... ;)

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Originally Posted by newrynyuk

So Eircom really would withdraw all levels of support in Irish football if they didn't have their logo on the Ireland shirt?

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Where did I say the above?

Please DO NOT misquote me.

What I did say was that the fact they have their name on all replica jersies is one of the most important parts of their sponsorhip to Eircom.

Doing business involves give and take, if the FAI wanted to maximise revenue for the national team only there would be no Eircom sponsorhip of the LOI, there would be less live coverage of EL on TV and no MNS. The FAI takes reduced sponsorship monies to ensure greater coverage for the EL.

Personally I hate the eircom logo on the jersey. I also don't like the idea of Sky being allowed buy rights to any of our international games as I believe they should all be on free to air TV, not that it should bother me as I go to all games home and away and even if I didn't i can go to the pub to watch them.

It would be interesting to see what the FAI would earn from sponsorship swithout the logo and with to make a reasonable call on which would be better for the general football community. Remember the surplus FAI funds eventually end up as grants for junior clubs, the first to lose out when money drys up are the junior clubs.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Where did I say the above?

Please DO NOT misquote me.

What I did say was that the fact they have their name on all replica jersies is one of the most important parts of their sponsorhip to Eircom.

Doing business involves give and take, if the FAI wanted to maximise revenue for the national team only there would be no Eircom sponsorhip of the LOI, there would be less live coverage of EL on TV and no MNS. The FAI takes reduced sponsorship monies to ensure greater coverage for the EL.

Personally I hate the eircom logo on the jersey. I also don't like the idea of Sky being allowed buy rights to any of our international games as I believe they should all be on free to air TV, not that it should bother me as I go to all games home and away and even if I didn't i can go to the pub to watch them.

It would be interesting to see what the FAI would earn from sponsorship swithout the logo and with to make a reasonable call on which would be better for the general football community. Remember the surplus FAI funds eventually end up as grants for junior clubs, the first to lose out when money drys up are the junior clubs.

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There's surplus FAI money?? Ah C'mon!!!!!!