Cork players on strike.

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Originally Posted by gee wizz

would you pass a picket line if you had to play or work with the same people who were on strike i for one wouldn't,we don't care too much for scabs down here

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I have done actually, not because I'm a SCAB as you call it but because I had no problem with my employer and many of those on strike didnt want to be there but felt they had to be on strike because they were in the union. I passed it every weekend I went to work for about 2 months because I dont have money trees in my back garden and to continue my education in college I needed money to survive. I dont regret it one bit I did what I had to do for ME!

Back on topic, I dont know if the GAA will hesitate to throw them out of the championship, could use it as a case for example, dont try this or else, Harsh but could be done.

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Originally Posted by Maz

I have done actually, not because I'm a SCAB as you call it but because I had no problem with my employer and many of those on strike didnt want to be there but felt they had to be on strike because they were in the union. I passed it every weekend I went to work for about 2 months because I dont have money trees in my back garden and to continue my education in college I needed money to survive. I dont regret it one bit I did what I had to do for ME!

Back on topic, I dont know if the GAA will hesitate to throw them out of the championship, could use it as a case for example, dont try this or else, Harsh but could be done.

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i dont have a money tree either but its people like yourself let employers think that they can do what they want or in the case of the cork football team a manager that nobody wants,and the g.a.a and the cork county board are hardly going to kick both teams out think of all the money they will lose through out the year from these two teams,its all about the cold hard cash for the county boards and the croke park hierachy

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Originally Posted by gee wizz

i dont have a money tree either but its people like yourself let employers think that they can do what they want or in the case of the cork football team a manager that nobody wants,and the g.a.a and the cork county board are hardly going to kick both teams out think of all the money they will lose through out the year from these two teams,its all about the cold hard cash for the county boards and the croke park hierachy

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People like me?? People who need to keep their jobs? Not going into the ins and outs of said strike but the employer was right.

Well if other teams start kicking up now about delays it could cause more controversy than it has already. As I said previously I've no problem with them being in the championship but at the moment I do think they should be out of the league

Maz, you may not call yourself a scab for crossing a picket to go to work, but that's what you are/were.

The GAA central will bend over backwards because of the money Cork gates bring to the organisation. That's why there'd be a different attitude if it was the Carlow panels.

I don't know what Cork is like, but in many counties the, ahem, "expense" contract that managers sign would make it very hard for a manager to walk away and very hard for a county board to sack him.

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Originally Posted by gee wizz

its all about the cold hard cash for the county boards

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Well, to be fair, spa weekends in Inchydoney and holidays in South Africa don't pay for themselves. (edit) They are the ones that have to balance the books, and pay all these 'expenses'.

I know there's a lot going on here, but to me it boils down to one thing - players going "on strike", because they don't like the management set-up. Once you start going down that route yo may as well give in altogether - no matter what team, or sport.

Totally agree there would be a different attitude to smaller counties but its going on so long that other counties are going to kick up and either way the GAA will back down or Meath will get their game and so on, some action has to be taken, it cant go on like this

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Originally Posted by noby

Well, to be fair, spa weekends in Inchydoney and holidays in South Africa don't pay for themselves. (edit) They are the ones that have to balance the books, and pay all these 'expenses'.

I know there's a lot going on here, but to me it boils down to one thing - players going "on strike", because they don't like the management set-up. Once you start going down that route yo may as well give in altogether - no matter what team, or sport.

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i agree with the first part of your argument about the balancing of the books but at the end of the day the G.A.A are a very rich orginsation with all the top stadiums in the country so trying the poor mouth for them is never going to wash:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Macy

I don't know what Cork is like, but in many counties the, ahem, "expense" contract that managers sign would make it very hard for a manager to walk away and very hard for a county board to sack him.

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I could be wrong but I don't think Billy made any money managing Cork.

I'm not trying to poor mouth them. County boards run the county teams. Players play.
When you get one camp trying to tell the other camp how to do their job, then the whole thing starts to crumble.
And I know I'm over-simplifying the argument.

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Originally Posted by ollie

I could be wrong but I don't think Billy made any money managing Cork.

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Are sure ollie we're loaded down here kid,we must be paying our players loads of dosh cause for the last few years we're winning everything:D

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Originally Posted by gee wizz

Are sure ollie we're loaded down here kid,we must be paying our players loads of dosh cause for the last few years we're winning everything:D

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Well since no one knows what Frank earns I'd say all the cash is used to pay himself;)

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Originally Posted by ollie

I could be wrong but I don't think Billy made any money managing Cork.

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I wasn't suggesting he did.

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Originally Posted by gee wizz

would you pass a picket line if you had to play or work with the same people who were on strike i for one wouldn't,we don't care too much for scabs down here

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Picket line? Work? Scabs? Is it a coal mine ye have down there now? Sure doesn't sound much like an amatuer sporting organisation. :confused:

Then again ...nor does not allowing proposals to be put to the players in a secret ballot. The more I'm hearing about this the more I get the impression this isn't about player power -it's about particular-clique-within-the-players-ranks-power.

I don't understand this at all.

County Board approve changes - i believe this a democratic vote by the clubs themselves.
Players moan & threaten strike.
County has another vote & approves.
Players begin strike.

As said above this an amateur sports body where apparently no one gets paid as we all know expenses always genuine. How can you picket a sports body? Its not like any one losing a livelihood.

If they give into the players then what happens next year if they don't like the manager appointed?

I would guess the GPA are involved in the background. What is the point of a players union if they don't have a cause to fight for?

If the players are right (i don't think they are) then they should keep striking if they believe in what they are doing. Then come Sept/Oct they can seek nomination to the board of their club and then act as a delegate of the club to the county board, or even can seek nomination to the county board.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

If the players are right (i don't think they are) then they should keep striking if they believe in what they are doing. Then come Sept/Oct they can seek nomination to the board of their club and then act as a delegate of the club to the county board, or even can seek nomination to the county board.

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Why did they not lobby the clubs before the 2nd vote? Did their own clubs vote?

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Originally Posted by pete

Why did they not lobby the clubs before the 2nd vote? Did their own clubs vote?

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Pete, this is from an earlier post and is as reported in both local Cork and national press:

In October the clubs voted to remove the right of team managers to pick their own selectors. 4 weeks later the hurlers and football issued their first statement expressing their dissatisfaction. Gerald McCarthy asked for the clubs to be given the chance to vote again. The players wrote to every club outlining their case and asking for support to change the system that had been voted for in October. A week later, on 20 November, 112 clubs delegates voted again by a majority of over 2 to 1 to retain the system they had voted for in October.

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

Pete, this is from an earlier post and is as reported in both local Cork and national press:

In October the clubs voted to remove the right of team managers to pick their own selectors. 4 weeks later the hurlers and football issued their first statement expressing their dissatisfaction. Gerald McCarthy asked for the clubs to be given the chance to vote again. The players wrote to every club outlining their case and asking for support to change the system that had been voted for in October. A week later, on 20 November, 112 clubs delegates voted again by a majority of over 2 to 1 to retain the system they had voted for in October.

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Cheers. Seems fairly clear cut democratic decision.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

If the players are right (i don't think they are) then they should keep striking if they believe in what they are doing. Then come Sept/Oct they can seek nomination to the board of their club and then act as a delegate of the club to the county board, or even can seek nomination to the county board.

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If the proposal put forward by the Cork County Board had been accepted, they would not need to go through that process as one of the clauses was that a players' representative be appointed on the county committee (Board), with full speaking rights.