Don Givens "fell out with" XI

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Thats Givens' side, do you want me to post Connolly's or should I just assume that your mind is already made up? :rolleyes:

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Worm Connolly is brilliant in the Premiership this season isn't he? Another prediction turned true from Mystic Youngirish. Suck on that Paddy Garcia.

Ha ha.

Givens had had fallings out with so many you could have an entire anti-Don world cup.

The man is a shocking manager in all respects and how he's continued in that job is beyond me, well no actually it is not given his employers, but my God the man's wasted a lot of talent over the years.

Roy O'Donovan, Kevin Doyle and John O'Flynn have had fallings out with him at various stages.

A few years ago the U-21 League Final was on at Turners Cross, City v. Bohs in a great match. Before the game everyone lined up to be greeted by the FAI suits including Givens. One of the Cork City players was going to be over age the following season and was going to the States on a scholarship. As Don aproached him to shake his hand said player took a grip of Don's hand and told him exactly what he thought of him and that he had some cheek turning up in Cork after failing to selected John O'Flynn for so long (O'Flynn at the time was on fire, in the form of his life and a far better player than the likes of Doyle and Long until he got a shocking injury). Flynny was included in the next few Ireland U-21 Squads and scored a fair few goals too

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

Thats Givens' side, do you want me to post Connolly's or should I just assume that your mind is already made up? :rolleyes:

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post his side so. as i said i have no great affinity with Givens, actually the results under him are crap. but i don't even think connolly was in our top 5 or 6 strikers at that time and is even further down the pecking order now. but post away, he is obviously your love child or some such.....

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

You play a hard line with millionaire kids or soon to be millionaires and you're going to lose a lot of quality players.

You can command respect with these players without antagonizing them, but Givens just doesn't have the tact for that, and neither do a lot of you.

I'm not talking about kissing anyone's ass, I'm just talking about treating them like adults.

If they have a problem with being excluded from a team, explain to them why, don't send them packing at the first sign of dissent.

As for the issue of money, if that was the issue with a player, I'd sit him down and go over all the examples of underage players performing well at international level and then shortly getting a move to a bigger club.

In any event I don't think McCann was saying it was a waste of time for him to represent Ireland, I think he was saying it was a waste of time for him to come over just to sit on the bench.

Again, I'm not saying McCann should start, but if he is being benched he should be explained why (i.e. loyalty to players in previous squads).

This rash confrontational attitude will get you nowhere with people who are used to being worshipped.

These guys make more money than their parents, date beautiful women, eat in the best restaurants and are treated like VIPs wherever they go.

You start treating them like they're some snot nosed kid and you're going to get nowhere.

I'm not saying there's no time to be harsh, but you'd think Givens could calm him down instead of send him packing. Surely McCann isn't that emotional?

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he players for BURNLEY ffs!!!!!!!!!!!

dates beautiful women and eats in the best restaurants, is treated like a VIP whereever he goes. my ******. i wouldn't even know what the little runt looks like!!!

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

McCann didn't say it was a waste of time playing for his country- he said it was a waste of time sitting on the bench for his country.

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as i said earlier - let him fook off so!!! he has earned no right to be so expectant of his international carreer. i am wasting my time on the bench, indeed:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

It's obvious to me that McCann wants to play, and Givens should have dealt with the situation more maturely and sat him down and had a chat with him..

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how is it obvious, what ever happened to waiting for your chance and then taking it when it comes. pr1cks like this expect everything to ber handed to them from day one.

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

McGrath was brought up because in many ways he was a "problem player."

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mcGrath had seriously earned his dues. he was a vastly established player for club and country. this nittwitt is only playing underage football for his country and starting out with a 3rd or 4th rate club!!!

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

as i said earlier - let him fook off so!!!

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I never said that. Bada bing :eek:

Surely it is about time the FAI stopped copping out with the underage teams. Whats the point in bringing in a top quality senior manager if we still have the same clown managing the under 21s. Its not a fluke that he has fallen out with so many players. And his tactic after it is to tell everything to the media as quickly as possible. He is a nothing manager that needs to be got rid of quickly. Chrish Hughton, a very qualified man who is out of work, should be given the job immediatly

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

as i said earlier - let him fook off so!!! he has earned no right to be so expectant of his international carreer. i am wasting my time on the bench, indeed:rolleyes:

how is it obvious, what ever happened to waiting for your chance and then taking it when it comes. pr1cks like this expect everything to ber handed to them from day one.

mcGrath had seriously earned his dues. he was a vastly established player for club and country. this nittwitt is only playing underage football for his country and starting out with a 3rd or 4th rate club!!!

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In fairness, the guy is playing and playing well for a decent championship side. If he wasnt going to be started Givens should have had a good reason and had explain it to him more than a few minutes before the match. Yes he was hasty storming off, obviously. But i bit of me can see it from his point of view

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

he players for BURNLEY ffs!!!!!!!!!!!

dates beautiful women and eats in the best restaurants, is treated like a VIP whereever he goes. my ******. i wouldn't even know what the little runt looks like!!!

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He's playing at a higher level on a more regular basis than any of the others in the squad.

He's reasonably big too.

Isn't Stephen Quinn playing regularly for Sheff United and he made a decent impression in the Premiership last year?

In fairness to Gleeson he had a good game, keeping the ball moving.

Both Quinn and Gleeson did well last night, and you can't argue with the contribution of O'toole, the midfield replacement.

This type of situation shouldn't be happening though.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Isn't Stephen Quinn playing regularly for Sheff United and he made a decent impression in the Premiership last year?

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He's not been a regular starter this year. He plays the odd game. Alan Sheehan has been playing week in, week out for Leicester this season but McCann has been a regular now for Burnley for about 2 years.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

He's playing at a higher level on a more regular basis than any of the others in the squad.

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i'm pretty sure he is not the palatcial dwelling, silver spoon fed, limo driven fashionista with top notch totty drewling all over him like our canadian cousin reckons though!!!!

Givens didn't go running to the press.

When the team sheets were made available at the game it was obvious the Irish team and bench were missing one name.


Givens was asked post game, and there were only five media present, what happened to Chris McCann?

He then relayed events. He named his team to the squad late morning but McCann only came to him at 5:15pm, just before they were about to depart for Lisseywollen from their hotel.

Whatever people think of Givens I've always found him willing to give straight and frank answers to all the questions put to him, just as he did last night.

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

post his side so. as i said i have no great affinity with Givens, actually the results under him are crap. but i don't even think connolly was in our top 5 or 6 strikers at that time and is even further down the pecking order now. but post away, he is obviously your love child or some such.....

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I didnt say he was in the top 5 or 6 right now, but to be fair to him, hes the only striker at Sunderland who hasn't been given a chance

Connolly's side
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/...story77225.asp

and his manager's
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...nd/2488233.stm

Of course its pointless as the whole ****ing island has made up its mind on the issue

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Originally Posted by soccerc

Givens didn't go running to the press.

When the team sheets were made available at the game it was obvious the Irish team and bench were missing one name.


Givens was asked post game, and there were only five media present, what happened to Chris McCann?

He then relayed events. He named his team to the squad late morning but McCann only came to him at 5:15pm, just before they were about to depart for Lisseywollen from their hotel.

Whatever people think of Givens I've always found him willing to give straight and frank answers to all the questions put to him, just as he did last night.

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He has the option of saying nothing. He is the manager and elects to speak to the press negatively about many of his players (mostly youngsters). Show me a successful manager that has had that work for him? His "frankness" has never come into the public domain on figures like Delaney or the FAI. Why is that? He picks and chooses his "frankness" does our Don.

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

I didnt say he was in the top 5 or 6 right now, but to be fair to him, hes the only striker at Sunderland who hasn't been given a chance

Connolly's side
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/...story77225.asp

and his manager's
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...nd/2488233.stm

Of course its pointless as the whole ****ing island has made up its mind on the issue

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So Connolly's version of events:

Givens: "are you fit?"
Connolly: "why do you want to know?"
Givens: "I want to call you into the squad"
Connolly: "Why wasn’t I in the original squad?"
Givens: "I choose the squad"
Connolly: "I feel I should have been in the original squad"
Givens: "do you want to play or not?"
Connolly: "no"
*Givens hangs up*

And Givens version:
Givens: "Hello David, it's Don Givens. Are you fit?"
Connolly: "To what do I owe the honour of this phone call?"
Givens: "I would like you to join the squad tomorrow?"
Connolly: "Why was I not selected in the original squad?"
Givens: "David, that was the choice I made"
Connolly: "I should be the number one striker for Ireland, not number five."
Givens: "David, do you want to come tomorrow?"
Connolly: "no"
Givens: "Right David, good luck"
*Givens hangs up*

They both have good memories as those are very similar. :) I'd be pretty sure he said that thing about being the number 1 striker. Givens isn't going to lie about that and Connolly would be embarrassed to tell the public he said that. The only other difference is whether Givens wished him look before hanging up.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

So Connolly's version of events:

Givens: "are you fit?"
Connolly: "why do you want to know?"
Givens: "I want to call you into the squad"
Connolly: "Why wasn’t I in the original squad?"
Givens: "I choose the squad"
Connolly: "I feel I should have been in the original squad"
Givens: "do you want to play or not?"
Connolly: "no"
*Givens hangs up*

And Givens version:
Givens: "Hello David, it's Don Givens. Are you fit?"
Connolly: "To what do I owe the honour of this phone call?"
Givens: "I would like you to join the squad tomorrow?"
Connolly: "Why was I not selected in the original squad?"
Givens: "David, that was the choice I made"
Connolly: "I should be the number one striker for Ireland, not number five."
Givens: "David, do you want to come tomorrow?"
Connolly: "no"
Givens: "Right David, good luck"
*Givens hangs up*

They both have good memories as those are very similar. :) I'd be pretty sure he said that thing about being the number 1 striker. Givens isn't going to lie about that and Connolly would be embarrassed to tell the public he said that. The only other difference is whether Givens wished him look before hanging up.

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You screwed that up, have a look back

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Originally Posted by theworm2345

You screwed that up, have a look back

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I didn't. He said the conversation ended after the word "no".

"no i'm injured" takes a second to say and if he did say that Givens would have done really well just to hear the first word. He even admitted himself all Givens heard was the word "no". He's just making excuses. It's as clear as day.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I didn't. He said the conversation ended after the word "no".

"no i'm injured" takes a second to say and if he did say that Givens would have done really well just to hear the first word. He even admitted himself all Givens heard was the word "no". He's just making excuses. It's as clear as day.

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Depends how you interpret it, perhaps he was referring to how Givens heard the 'no' in "no I'm injured" and then ended it, or perhaps just heard 'no.' Perhaps had Connolly gone to the press first saying how he should have been first choice everything would be different, but that is Givens' word, so I can't possibly believe it

bottom line is he was upset at not being included in the original squad. he challenged givens over it. givens gave his reasons, which are very close in both accounts, david is not happy. david is then asked if he is available. he responds no (well that is all givens hears in both accounts).

givens says 'he said he should be no. 1 striker', connolly reckons he didn't. I am with givens on this one, i think connolly is trying to twist the story tbh.

when asked if available at the end of the conversation why didn't he say something like 'i would love to but i am injured' or 'i'm injured i can't'. instead he said no (pause, phone hung up on other side) ... i'm injured (to himself/not at all).

we have all been asked to do things in our lives that we would seriously have loved to do but for one reason or another we have been unable. think about it. in a situation like this is the first word of your reply "no, i can't because"", or is it "i would love to but....."

busty blond chick: would you like to come home with me?
me: i would love to but ... i'm married

friend: we are all going to the pub are you coming?
me: i'd love to but i have an early start...


EDIT: on reflection i would probably do both of the above but you know what i'm getting at...:D:D